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wj: I would have to disagree with the belief that lust is a sin. If a man/male does not lust after a woman/female, there would be no pro-creation. Sin is not an action or deed. Sin is thinking incorrectly. Believing that I am separated from God by anything is sin/error/wrong thinking! God is everywhere is he not? If God is everywhere, how can you be separated from him? Only through wrong thinking. If God is in you(by faith) then only not believing that God is in you could separate you from the truth. That would be a sin/error/lie against the truth. Sin is mans illusion of separation from God. It isn't true or of the truth, it is an error of the mind/wrong thinking. All actions originate in the mind first, and then possibly they will materialize. Anyone who believes they have sin is not of God. There is no sin in God! Sin is an error of thinking. If you think you have sin or are in sin then you are not of the truth. There is no error in truth. Are we not the Holy Temple of God within? How could there be sin in the Temple of God. Truth sets you free from sin and death. Jesus is the truth. Jesus has no sin. If you are one with Jesus or accept his truth, you are cleansed of sin(John15:3) If you say you are not cleansed you make Jesus a liar and the truth is not in you. There are no lies or sin in the Truth! God bless. TK
Quote (kerwin @ May 26 2010,19:54) I believe that God promised that those who obey all Jesus teaches will stop sinning in this life. I use various scriptures including but not limited to Matthew 5:6 and John 8:34-36.
Hi Kerwin,What you believe here is “Scriptural”!
A progression away from the old sinful nature:1John has a progression away from sin. Starting at 1John 1:8:
“If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”…
Sinners practice sin!Progressing to 1John 3:9: “Whoever is born of God does not commit sin;
For his seed remainith in him: and he cannot sin (AS A USUAL PRACTICE),
because he is borne of God.”
Practice of sin diminishes!Finishing in 1John 5:18: “We know that whosoever is borne of God SINNETH NOT;
But he that is begotten of God keepeth (GUARDS) himself,
and that wicked one (Satan) toucheth him not.
All sinning STOPS; fulfilling Matt. 5:44! (Eph.4:13)God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.comQuote (WorshippingJesus @ June 09 2010,07:41) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 28 2010,02:50) Quote (kerwin @ May 27 2010,22:07) I wish to clarify a couple of my believes. It is tricky to differentiat temptation from actual sin when both are on the mental level, i.e. our thoughts. I look to the temptations of Jesus as an example of what temptation is. In those examples you see that Satan make a proposition and that Jesus then rejects that proposition. We know that Jesus was tempted just like we are so if our thoughts merely form a proposition to sin but reject it is by fleeing from the temptation of fighting it then we do not sin. On the other hand if we fantasize about that proposition then we sin. As I said it is tricky to differentiate between a mental sin and a temptation as I am not covering all that is sin but merely pointing out that the proposition itself should not be confused when sin while phantasizing is sin. I did this to warn people against calling what is not sin sin or calling what is sin temptation.
According to my believes it is God doing the work so our stopping from sin is not depending on our effort but rather on the efford of God who can do anything but sin. It is our faith that we must work on strengthening and even that comes from God. It is therefore crucial that we want to change and that we believe God will change us. This does not seem to happen instintanius but rather is a growing experience that may take more time in some than others. The bottom line is that we will grow more mature if we are in Jesus the Messiah.
I believe that the spirit is the driving and guiding force behind our action whether it is the spirit we are born with or it is the spirit of righteousness that those in Christ are reborn in. Even the spirit we are born with can be renewed to a certain extent as Old Testiment testified it was for some before the New Covenant was established. It is only through entry in the New Covenant that one recieves the sinless spirit of Jesus.
I thought Jesus temptation was to Prove He was Son of God.
Just like God in massah.
Look up what Temptation means, sometimes it doesnt mean that you have been tempted it could mean the act of tempting.
SimplyThat is exactly right.
Jesus did not have a fallen nature or old man that was prone to sin.
He said when satan came that there was nothing in him.
I do not believe that Jesus ever had an impure thought that came from within his heart.
But every man is tempted, “when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. James 1:14
Lust is sin. Jesus had no no sin or lust in him, or could not be the perfect and sinless Lamb!
Can anyone show us where Jesus had to make attonement for any sin?
Jesus was tempted by the one who did the tempting, and that was the evil one!
Blessings Keith
hi WJ,ya your right, it seems that people confuse temptation with the thoughts of performing sin, when temptation that was mentioned has to do with what was presented.
Jesus was tempted by people to either prove himself, or to fall into sin. Jesus never fell, therefore he was blameless.
I do not believe when Jesus saw a woman, he started to think sexually about her. I believe if Jesus were to love one person more than everyone else, would destroy the purpose of the cross. He died for us because he loves each one of us an the perfect love.
sin starts in the mind. in our thoughts.
Jesus did not sin, which means that sin was not in Jesus, which means that Jesus had no thoughts about sin.
James 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
13Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.The tools to fall and sin is always around us, doesnt mean we sit and think about it all the time.
Such has to commit sucicide. There are many tools aronud my house to kill one self, doesnt mean you sit there every day being “Tempted” fighting not to kill your self.
This just means that the tools to do such a thing are there. when a ruff circumstance comes along and one feels the need of not to live, thats when one starts to lust to take his own life, and is now fighting temptation that is presented around them, that has always been there.Much love,
Hi SF,
He was tempted in all ways we are but did not sin.[Heb]
Born of woman he became an overcomer[rev], clean and fit to be filled with the Holy Spirit[Lk4].Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 10 2010,00:27) wj: I would have to disagree with the belief that lust is a sin. If a man/male does not lust after a woman/female, there would be no pro-creation. Sin is not an action or deed. Sin is thinking incorrectly. Believing that I am separated from God by anything is sin/error/wrong thinking! God is everywhere is he not? If God is everywhere, how can you be separated from him? Only through wrong thinking. If God is in you(by faith) then only not believing that God is in you could separate you from the truth. That would be a sin/error/lie against the truth. Sin is mans illusion of separation from God. It isn't true or of the truth, it is an error of the mind/wrong thinking. All actions originate in the mind first, and then possibly they will materialize. Anyone who believes they have sin is not of God. There is no sin in God! Sin is an error of thinking. If you think you have sin or are in sin then you are not of the truth. There is no error in truth. Are we not the Holy Temple of God within? How could there be sin in the Temple of God. Truth sets you free from sin and death. Jesus is the truth. Jesus has no sin. If you are one with Jesus or accept his truth, you are cleansed of sin(John15:3) If you say you are not cleansed you make Jesus a liar and the truth is not in you. There are no lies or sin in the Truth! God bless. TK
Hi Tim kraft,im sorry i have to disagree with your counter.
You confuse the defintion of lust with the sexually normal reaction of a man to a woman.
Pro creation has nothing to do with lust. Attraction and lust are two differnt things first of all.
God is omnipresent, to be seperated from God you have to have a seperate will. Which means making your own choices based on your own will and not on Gods. thats seperation.
sometimes our seperation is also based on Good intentions. When one forces another to believe in God, that is wrong and evil yet they are trying to do it for Good intentions, but it still wrong.
Man ate the tree of good and evil, which means doing what they think is good and what they think is evil, which is all seperated from God.
Our Flesh has sin. we are weak to sin. only through Christ we can have victory. Jesus sets us free.I agree with your last statements.
much love,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2010,06:27) Hi SF,
He was tempted in all ways we are but did not sin.[Heb]
Born of woman he became an overcomer[rev], clean and fit to be filled with the Holy Spirit[Lk4].
hi nick,wow ok we get it he was born out of a woman.
out of observation, we all are born out of woman,
which makes him one of us.but WAIT HIS SEED COMES FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT….
intresting….Hi SF<
His transformation and equipment for ministry came when the Spirit was anointed to him at the Jordan.
He was no superman because God was his father any more than Adam was.
Men want to make him an idol that we cannot follow.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2010,06:34) Hi SF<
His transformation and equipment for ministry came when the Spirit was anointed to him at the Jordan.
He was no superman because God was his father any more than Adam was.
Men want to make him an idol that we cannot follow.
Are you saying that i should not follow Christ?
I never said he was superman, but he simply was perfect as adam was in the begginging which is a huge differense between Adam before the fall and Adam after.Are you saying we are not suppose to worship Christ? not to follow him?
when the bible says
Matthew 16:24
“Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.”Quote (Tim Kraft @ June 10 2010,00:27) wj: I would have to disagree with the belief that lust is a sin. If a man/male does not lust after a woman/female, there would be no pro-creation. Sin is not an action or deed. Sin is thinking incorrectly. Believing that I am separated from God by anything is sin/error/wrong thinking! God is everywhere is he not? If God is everywhere, how can you be separated from him? Only through wrong thinking. If God is in you(by faith) then only not believing that God is in you could separate you from the truth. That would be a sin/error/lie against the truth. Sin is mans illusion of separation from God. It isn't true or of the truth, it is an error of the mind/wrong thinking. All actions originate in the mind first, and then possibly they will materialize. Anyone who believes they have sin is not of God. There is no sin in God! Sin is an error of thinking. If you think you have sin or are in sin then you are not of the truth. There is no error in truth. Are we not the Holy Temple of God within? How could there be sin in the Temple of God. Truth sets you free from sin and death. Jesus is the truth. Jesus has no sin. If you are one with Jesus or accept his truth, you are cleansed of sin(John15:3) If you say you are not cleansed you make Jesus a liar and the truth is not in you. There are no lies or sin in the Truth! God bless. TK
Since Jesus magnified the Law, now it is even a sin when you lust in your Heart. You have already committed Adultery in your Heart. That is what Jesus taught us on the Sermon on the Mount. If you are Angry with your Brother you have commited Murder in your heart etc.
Peace and Love IreneHi SF,
Yes you need to follow him.
Not by might nor by power but by My Spirit
You must be born again of water and the Holy Spirit.
If you walk in the Spirit the Spirit will make you alike to him.A Summary of What I Believe
I believe in one God who is the God of Abraham, Isaac, David, and Jesus as well of all creation.
I believe in one Son of God’s Spirit in whom God has chosen to have his Spirit dwell directly. That Son is the human being Jesus whom sacrificed himself to defeat God’s enemies and so God appointed him King of everything in heaven and on earth.
I believe in one righteous and saintly Spirit which is from God and in God and flows through the Unity of those faithful to God of whom Jesus is the chief. I believe that the spirit of God is called God’s only begotten and is his creative force as well as being his spirit of love preexisted the existence of Jesus a human being, favored of God. I believe Jesus inherited the title of only begotten when the Spirit came to dwell in him directly. I believe this happened before he was ever tempted to sin as he never did.
I believe Jesus overcame temptation through a faith greater than Abraham’s. I believe we also can overcome the temptation to sin because Jesus and God are with us through the Spirit, just as Jesus promised.
I believe Jesus promised righteousness and holiness, which is like God’s, to those who like Abraham believes and so through that belief will obey all of Jesus teachings. I believe those that live by their new spirit, and not their old, have received that promise. I believe that immersion in allegiance to Jesus and of a clear conscious to God is the means by which the Spirit of God comes and makes a home with a believer. I believe you must persevere until the end in order to claim the prize.
kerwin
Quote I believe in one Son of God’s Spirit in whom God has chosen to have his Spirit dwell directly. That Son is the human being Jesus whom sacrificed himself to defeat God’s enemies and so God appointed him King of everything in heaven and on earth. I believe in one righteous and saintly Spirit which is from God and in God and flows through the Unity of those faithful to God of whom Jesus is the chief. I believe that the spirit of God is called God’s only begotten and is his creative force as well as being his spirit of love preexisted the existence of Jesus a human being, favored of God. I believe Jesus inherited the title of only begotten when the Spirit came to dwell in him directly. I believe this happened before he was ever tempted to sin as he never did.
I believe Jesus overcame temptation through a faith greater than Abraham’s. I believe we also can overcome the temptation to sin because Jesus and God are with us through the Spirit, just as Jesus promised.
I believe Jesus promised righteousness and holiness, which is like God’s, to those who like Abraham believes and so through that belief will obey all of Jesus teachings. I believe those that live by their new spirit, and not their old, have received that promise. I believe that immersion in allegiance to Jesus and of a clear conscious to God is the means by which the Spirit of God comes and makes a home with a believer. I believe you must persevere until the end in order to claim the prize.
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you have four believes there, could you put out the scriptures that supports your way of believe
Pierre
Pierre,
What I wrote is not about studying scripture diligently but rather about coming to Jesus to learn how to be reconciled to God.
Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness and now we have one greater than Abraham here.
Matthew 5:6 is a promise of God and as any promise of God, those that follow must believe it. If there is an obstacle to their belief that another is given power to address then because of love they will address it with their sibling.
Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 12 2012,09:27) Pierre, What I wrote is not about studying scripture diligently but rather about coming to Jesus to learn how to be reconciled to God.
Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness and now we have one greater than Abraham here.
Matthew 5:6 is a promise of God and as any promise of God, those that follow must believe it. If there is an obstacle to their belief that another is given power to address then because of love they will address it with their sibling.
K
Quote I believe that the spirit of God is called God’s only begotten and is his creative force as well as being his spirit of love preexisted the existence of Jesus a human being, favored of God. I believe Jesus inherited the title of only begotten when the Spirit came to dwell in him directly. I believe this happened before he was ever tempted to sin as he never did. can you claim this with clear scriptures ,so that your faith lays on the written word of God
Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 27 2012,06:53) K Quote I believe that the spirit of God is called God’s only begotten and is his creative force as well as being his spirit of love preexisted the existence of Jesus a human being, favored of God. I believe Jesus inherited the title of only begotten when the Spirit came to dwell in him directly. I believe this happened before he was ever tempted to sin as he never did. can you claim this with clear scriptures ,so that your faith lays on the written word of God
T,Are you speaking of a Scripture where the truth is not hidden from certain people?
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