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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 09 2010,15:11) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 09 2010,10:54) I love how some people try to use insults when they have been beaten.
Hi KevinI agree totally! This sight never ceases with insults.
I have been guilty myself, but I try hard to not make it personal but stick to the subject or scriptures!
BTW, How the Hell are you?
Blessings Keith
I am good Keith!Don't feel bad, insults happen everywhere. It really should not happen on a board mostly confined to the same blanket religion, but humans are humans regardless of their beliefs. We all get caught up in debating some aspect or other, and in the “heat of battle” we might cast a low blow at our “opponent”.
Of course, this part of the forum is for all to participate in, but that does not excuse participants from civility.
I still recall our own heated debates in the various Trinity threads! We both let a few insults loose from time to time, but I think we finally understood that we were meant to discuss our differences of belief, not exchange barbs.
Good to see you defending your personal beliefs with integrity (at least how I see it).
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,12:43) Listen, You were a Christian who believed in the Trinity, right? Not really. I was a Christian who accepted the Trinity but never really thought about it. My early history on this boards shows that I was one who did not accept the trinity once I studied the nature of the god of the bible.
Quote Therefore, even then you had a polytheistic consciousness now after your wife left you became atheistic, this could not have happened in a MONOTHEISTIC CONSCIOUSNESS. I call bullshido. Please provide statistics that show monotheists have a lower divorce rate than monotheists.
Quote Your wife was one of the gods and when oshe abandoned you it was like all the gods abandoning you, I hear about this all the time. A friend of mine went through the same thing, he was an incredible person(probably just like you are) He was generally sweet and he thought he was honest but he wasn't honest he was just nice and agreeable. Well she left him and when she left him, he left God. Then I explained to him how he had it all mixed up that he should have loved God first with an unbreakable bond and told her to do the same he would have had great power then because she would have not used threats of leaving to dominate him as she did all the time just to get her way.
His kids also ran all over him but then once we talked and talked and talked and I helped him(With God's help) be purged of that polytheistic consciousness, he became strong, confident and honest and guess what he got his wife back and his kids respect and love him.
When a Man believes in ONE GOD and worships that ONE GOD it eliminates the fears around him and in him and he is free to act from a perspective of Honest authority and integrity, he becomes and authentic Man.
You really went off the deep end in the rest of this post. Do you enjoy making stuff up as you go?Correction since I cannot edit: “Please provide statistics that show monotheists have a lower divorce rate than polytheists.
Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,07:49) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,12:46) There cannot be one less God or one more God there can only be ONE GOD. And this thread is asking why I should believe what you say vs what others say who disagree with you. Your repeated assertions are not accomplishing the task at hand.
Quote If you believe there is less than one God how could you possibly speak about God at all, there would be nothing to talk about.
As I've stated, I am skeptical of all. But if you truly want me to believe your god is real, you should be able to show why yours is real and others are not. That you cannot do this is but another reason to continue to disbelieve.
There is no my God and another God, there is ONLY GOD who is my God and your God and everyone elses God.I hate to keep repeating this point to you but you can't seem to grasp what I am saying
There are no “gods” that can be compared.
I can only talk to you about GOD, we can talk about various understandings of God, whether it be Christian, Muslim, Judaism, Hindu, or even Buddhism(Who despite popular misperceptions Buddha did believe in GOD)
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 10 2010,08:11) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 09 2010,10:54) I love how some people try to use insults when they have been beaten.
Hi KevinI agree totally! This sight never ceases with insults.
I have been guilty myself, but I try hard to not make it personal but stick to the subject or scriptures!
BTW, How the Hell are you?
Blessings Keith
Actually, I wasn't insulting him at all, it was an honest question.Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,08:33) Correction since I cannot edit: “Please provide statistics that show monotheists have a lower divorce rate than polytheists.
It's only an observation and also those statistics would not be available as someone would have to admit to being a polytheist which most will not because they do not knowQuote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,08:32) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,12:43) Listen, You were a Christian who believed in the Trinity, right? Not really. I was a Christian who accepted the Trinity but never really thought about it. My early history on this boards shows that I was one who did not accept the trinity once I studied the nature of the god of the bible.
Quote Therefore, even then you had a polytheistic consciousness now after your wife left you became atheistic, this could not have happened in a MONOTHEISTIC CONSCIOUSNESS. I call bullshido. Please provide statistics that show monotheists have a lower divorce rate than monotheists.
Quote Your wife was one of the gods and when oshe abandoned you it was like all the gods abandoning you, I hear about this all the time. A friend of mine went through the same thing, he was an incredible person(probably just like you are) He was generally sweet and he thought he was honest but he wasn't honest he was just nice and agreeable. Well she left him and when she left him, he left God. Then I explained to him how he had it all mixed up that he should have loved God first with an unbreakable bond and told her to do the same he would have had great power then because she would have not used threats of leaving to dominate him as she did all the time just to get her way.
His kids also ran all over him but then once we talked and talked and talked and I helped him(With God's help) be purged of that polytheistic consciousness, he became strong, confident and honest and guess what he got his wife back and his kids respect and love him.
When a Man believes in ONE GOD and worships that ONE GOD it eliminates the fears around him and in him and he is free to act from a perspective of Honest authority and integrity, he becomes and authentic Man.
You really went off the deep end in the rest of this post. Do you enjoy making stuff up as you go?
So what made you come to the conclusion that “gods” didn't exist?Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,16:31) So what made you come to the conclusion that “gods” didn't exist?
Simple: lack of evidence. Ancient tomes where one claims to have encountered some god is no better than any other form of ancient mythology IMHO. If gods exist, they exist today just as they did when they wrote of them.Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,16:22) Actually, I wasn't insulting him at all, it was an honest question.
“Are you under medication” is an insult, as you imply that he is not in his right (sober) mind.Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,16:21) There is no my God and another God, there is ONLY GOD who is my God and your God and everyone elses God. I hate to keep repeating this point to you but you can't seem to grasp what I am saying
Oh, I grasp it fully well. You are making an assertion and then assuming that I'll take your word for it. Sorry, doesn't work that way. Give me evidence or admit you are making a statement of belief with none.
Quote There are no “gods” that can be compared. I can only talk to you about GOD, we can talk about various understandings of God, whether it be Christian, Muslim, Judaism, Hindu, or even Buddhism(Who despite popular misperceptions Buddha did believe in GOD)
How about Celtic paganism? Norse heathenry? Sorry, but the characteristics of these religions — and their gods — do not match any of those you've listed.As to Buddhism, some believed in a god, some did not. It si more of spiritual practice or philosophy than a religion.
Hinduism predated the Abrahamic pantheon.
The only ones with a common god — more or less — are Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Baha'i.
Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,11:55) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,16:22) Actually, I wasn't insulting him at all, it was an honest question.
“Are you under medication” is an insult, as you imply that he is not in his right (sober) mind.
it was a possibility that you were on medication and hence was not paying attention to what I wrote.Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,11:54) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,16:31) So what made you come to the conclusion that “gods” didn't exist?
Simple: lack of evidence. Ancient tomes where one claims to have encountered some god is no better than any other form of ancient mythology IMHO. If gods exist, they exist today just as they did when they wrote of them.
What exactly did they write that made you think they did not experience God or what did you read that says they did experience God, many of those ancient writings speak of no actual interaction.Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,19:11) What exactly did they write that made you think they did not experience God or what did you read that says they did experience God, many of those ancient writings speak of no actual interaction.
Does it matter at this point? What matters is the here and now because these gods are supposed to be still around. If Allah exists, he can speak to me now, not leave it up to you to speak for him. Same thing with any other god.Isn't it fascinating that the gods have to use humans as their spokespeople? If we have to rely one people, then any old David Koresh will do.
Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,12:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,19:11) What exactly did they write that made you think they did not experience God or what did you read that says they did experience God, many of those ancient writings speak of no actual interaction.
Does it matter at this point? What matters is the here and now because these gods are supposed to be still around. If Allah exists, he can speak to me now, not leave it up to you to speak for him. Same thing with any other god.Isn't it fascinating that the gods have to use humans as their spokespeople? If we have to rely one people, then any old David Koresh will do.
God uses other means then people and HE does speak to people directly, He has communicated with me.If your mind is never in the right state to communicate with God how do you think it would occur?
This is why worship and setting times of remembrance aside to listen to God is essential.
I guarantee if you did this God would communicate with you.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,20:00) God uses other means then people and HE does speak to people directly, He has communicated with me. If I told you that a leprechaun communicated with me, would you simply believe he did because I said so?
Quote If your mind is never in the right state to communicate with God how do you think it would occur? What is the “right mind”? Free of logic and reason?
Quote This is why worship and setting times of remembrance aside to listen to God is essential. I guarantee if you did this God would communicate with you.
Or you would experience and emotional reaction you label as communication from some god. I get goose bumps when I hear certain songs that touch me. Psst, that's not some god communicating with me, that's an emotional response.Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 10 2010,13:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,20:00) God uses other means then people and HE does speak to people directly, He has communicated with me. If I told you that a leprechaun communicated with me, would you simply believe he did because I said so?
Quote If your mind is never in the right state to communicate with God how do you think it would occur? What is the “right mind”? Free of logic and reason?
Quote This is why worship and setting times of remembrance aside to listen to God is essential. I guarantee if you did this God would communicate with you.
Or you would experience and emotional reaction you label as communication from some god. I get goose bumps when I hear certain songs that touch me. Psst, that's not some god communicating with me, that's an emotional response.
I am just sharing with you a fact. When the mind becomes quiet a person can hearQuote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 09 2010,21:08) I am just sharing with you a fact. When the mind becomes quiet a person can hear
When the mind becomes quiet, it imagines all sorts of stuff. You would really benefit from a study of (secular) meditation.Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 06 2010,06:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 05 2010,11:21) Obviously we know from all these scriptures that God does not tolerate certain behaviours for too long before their are consequences he sends a warner and then destruction is soon to follow this is in all the scriptures because it is the SAME ONE GOD.
I will address this because it is not Quran specific.If the god of the Jews = god of the Christians = god of the Muslims, why do you all not have more unison?
Why do the Jews reject Jesus and the Muslims have a different view of who he was?
Why do very few Jews and Christians accept the validity of the Quran or Mohammed as a true prophet?This cannot happen if you all claim to follow the same god.
Hi Kejohn,Thanks for the post Kejohn!
BD is blind to this “Truth”. (2Cor.4:4)Ed J
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 10 2010,09:21)
There is no my God and another God, there is ONLY GOD who is my God and your God and everyone elses God.I hate to keep repeating this point to you but you can't seem to grasp what I am saying
There are no “gods” that can be compared.
Hi BD,Kejohn can't seem to grasp what you're saying? satan's lie can repeated a thousand times,
and it will NEVER become “Truth”, because it remains a lie; you have swallowed satan's lie!You are in denial, BD, Kejohn can clearly that you present a different god than I.
Your god is the god of confusion or as the Bible puts it: 'Babylon' meaning confusion.Rev.18:1-2 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven,
having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen,
is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit,
and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.Loose the hate and my God(YHVH) will release you from your prison!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 06 2010,12:56) Ed is totally blind by his ambition for self-importance. Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 08 2010,09:22) you constantly are being dishonest. Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 07 2010,13:56) You are deep in Sin Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 08 2010,09:22) you hate God Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 10 2010,14:07) You have beared false witness Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 08 2010,12:03) why lie to him? Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 06 2010,04:10) You should repent bearing False Witness…(How evil) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 02 2010,16:17) you will never be fit to be a witness Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 05 2010,12:59) you are living in delusion Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 08 2010,09:05) What a hypocrite. Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 07 2010,13:56) you are truly lost Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 04 2010,04:51) you will be kept in the dark. 1John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil:
whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love [GOD The Father=117] hath bestowed upon us (true believers),
that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Witnessing to the world in behalf of…
117=יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm (JEHOVAH GOD)! (Psalm 45:17)
Ed J (AKJV Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 60:13-14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2010,18:18) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 06 2010,06:28) Quote (bodhitharta @ Jan. 05 2010,11:21) Obviously we know from all these scriptures that God does not tolerate certain behaviours for too long before their are consequences he sends a warner and then destruction is soon to follow this is in all the scriptures because it is the SAME ONE GOD.
I will address this because it is not Quran specific.If the god of the Jews = god of the Christians = god of the Muslims, why do you all not have more unison?
Why do the Jews reject Jesus and the Muslims have a different view of who he was?
Why do very few Jews and Christians accept the validity of the Quran or Mohammed as a true prophet?This cannot happen if you all claim to follow the same god.
Hi Kejohn,Thanks for the post Kejohn!
BD is blind to this “Truth”. (2Cor.4:4)Ed J
ED,Do you realize you just agreed that Jesus didn't believe that YHVH is God?
Did you even read what Kejonn wrote?
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