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Quote (Constitutionalist @ Dec. 19 2009,23:09) Just wondering what is the number for curse, cursed, hang, hangs, hangeth, hung, and tree, I am not into the gematra stuff so I was wondering. The Messiah hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: Gal 3:13
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 1Peter 2:12
Hi Con,curse=66, cursed=70, hang=30, hangs=49, hangeth=63, hung=50, and tree=48.
Curse=66
Bible=30…hang=30
Evil=48…Son=48…Tree=48…
iam god=49…Hangs=49…Not=49…LORD=49
like God=63…hangeth=63…The Bible=63…YHVH=63…will be=63
Bod bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Dec. 19 2009,14:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 19 2009,14:11) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 19 2009,12:45) Quote “The God numbers”=151 and can be proven to be NON-RANDOM! But you are not actually going to 'prove' that, right?
Did you try converting those English phrases I gave you?
These all come out at 888, according to the calculator on that site I linked earlier.
messiah Jesus
god in man's form
satanic ritual
averts hopes
god is a con trick
revelation a lieIs there some kind of technique that I am not using here?
Oh yes, I remember now, you have to reject every phrase that does not match what it says in scripture, the same scripture that distorts ALL such “phrase” = 888 statements towards the existence of your god, and all the dogmas that go with it.
I think you will find that it is not the codes for the words that is introducing what you perceive as non-random, but the scripture from which the phrases are taken.
Stuart
Ed should acknowledge Stu's point otherwise he is just claiming superiority without cause.
Hi BD,It's funny how you choose to side with a non-believer on this particular post?
Why is that BD, could the things I have said to you really been true?
Think about it,
Ed J
I actually said that you should acknowledge Stu's point.For some reason some believers run from instead of run to what really did or did not occur by the Command of God (according to the scriptures)
When an atheist says God ordered people to be killed even infants it does no good to simply not acknowledge their point that it does indeed “sound” cruel. Once we can acknowledge that point then we can dig deeper and maybe realize things we had not understood before.
The Bible never says that God is “All” Loving the Quran says simply that God is “Most” Compassionate and “Most” Merciful but should we not accept the fact that God will in-fact send many to hell whether to burn for a day or forever?
What part of burning isn't as wrathful?
So we at some point really relate to others and not negate their positions as being somehow immature or antagonistic
And I have already stated that you refuse to use your “proof” practically. Allah=34 in your system and in combination with God The Father=117 comes to 151 the same as Holy Spirit = 151
Why not accept the truth as you say Stu should do?
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 20 2009,05:17) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 19 2009,18:06) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 19 2009,13:00) Grace=34 Allah=34 One=34 Men=34 Kin=34 Ink=34 Tie=34 also in Islam “Halal”=34 which is the Islamic term for “permissible,” similar to kosher You also negate to mention that Muhammad also = 74 the same as Fruit=74
So he would also be “The Key”=74
Notice that cross also =74 but no code comes up on crucified, killed, crucify or crucifixion
Precisely.Your 'proofs' indicate that since crucifixion and therefore christian salvation is a myth, Ed should accept that Mohammad is the way to allah.
Do you think he will accept your evidence in the way he expects others to accept his?
Stuart
Hi Stuart,Allah=66 in Arabic is a 'title' that means God, BD believes in God, you don't!
I have nothing against Muhammad, his goal was to teach his people about God.
It's false doctrines I stand against(satan has created many:2Cor.11:14-15), BD is my friend.
What do you think about that; Stuart?
Ed J
Mohammad was a unpleasant man who achieved some political good initially, and whose achievements led to enough stability for an amazing flourishing of mathematics and scientific endeavours. This is probably the evolutionary advantage that religions of any kind have: they unite people by forcing them to 'submit' their egos to the 'greater good' through being led to believe in higher powers. Of course the problem is, once people can be led politically in this way, and some stories can be invented about how much trouble the individual will be in if he or she does not follow the rules, then the whole thing is open to enormous abuse and will end up with probably good people being brainwashed into doing evil.Which is exactly what has happened to islam, although I can't see how you cannot conclude that the basis of both islam and christianity are fundamentally immoral in universal terms, especially when considering basic human rights. Islam was a dangerous experiment and it has gone horribly wrong for humanity. Islam has bloody borders and most islamic nations are backward and abusive of their citizenry. It is possible that humans are predisposed to suffering this kind of thing over and over for those evolutionary reasons, but whatever the case a modern view of humanity, respecting of difference, must oppose islam and christianity as anti-human.
That is what I think.
By the way, can you show me how “Halal” =34?
Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 20 2009,08:45) And I have already stated that you refuse to use your “proof” practically. Allah=34 in your system and in combination with God The Father=117 comes to 151 the same as Holy Spirit = 151 Why not accept the truth as you say Stu should do?
Hi BD,Has you view somehow became Trinitarian?
ED J
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 20 2009,08:45) When an atheist says God ordered people to be killed even infants it does no good to simply not acknowledge their point that it does indeed “sound” cruel. Once we can acknowledge that point then we can dig deeper and maybe realize things we had not understood before. The Bible never says that God is “All” Loving the Quran says simply that God is “Most” Compassionate and “Most” Merciful but should we not accept the fact that God will in-fact send many to hell whether to burn for a day or forever?
What part of burning isn't as wrathful?
I am not used to having my points considered seriously.Um…
…there is possibly an interesting parallel here in your use of 'most'. I wonder if there is an islamic equivalent of Anselm's ontological argument that god must exist because god is the embodiment of the most wisdom possible, the highest levels of knowledge about everything that could be had (and as Richard Dawkins puts it, is the smelliest of the smelly).
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2009,09:01) That is what I think. Stuart
Hi Stuart,Your logic on the other thread is illogical.
If Darwin were correct as you assert,
then how do you stop Genocide?Meaning if the strongest survives then the thought….
'I don't like you so I will (falsely) kill you, then I win.'
Can you NOT see the error in this type of thinking?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2009,09:18) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 20 2009,08:45) When an atheist says God ordered people to be killed even infants it does no good to simply not acknowledge their point that it does indeed “sound” cruel. Once we can acknowledge that point then we can dig deeper and maybe realize things we had not understood before. The Bible never says that God is “All” Loving the Quran says simply that God is “Most” Compassionate and “Most” Merciful but should we not accept the fact that God will in-fact send many to hell whether to burn for a day or forever?
What part of burning isn't as wrathful?
I am not used to having my points considered seriously.Um…
…there is possibly an interesting parallel here in your use of 'most'. I wonder if there is an islamic equivalent of Anselm's ontological argument that god must exist because god is the embodiment of the most wisdom possible, the highest levels of knowledge about everything that could be had (and as Richard Dawkins puts it, is the smelliest of the smelly).
Stuart
The fact is accepting the parameters of known possibility is essential to understanding reality.Some very disturbing things help us understand or discover other things. Flies help us to discover dead bodies and other rotting or smelly things.
Bodies themselves will give off a severe stench after death and likewise when any religion turns that corner and becomes corrupt it starts to smell whether it be Christianity or Islam and that is why the fellowship of believers exceed their origination of title and stay in the true life and light that is sweet and savory.
All argument is for the sake of discovery.
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 20 2009,09:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 20 2009,08:45) And I have already stated that you refuse to use your “proof” practically. Allah=34 in your system and in combination with God The Father=117 comes to 151 the same as Holy Spirit = 151 Why not accept the truth as you say Stu should do?
Hi BD,Has you view somehow became Trinitarian?
ED J
“Trinity” is a concept that the polytheistic consciousness uses to communicate it is simply an awareness level that is not as refined as the Monotheistic Consciousness.The Polytheistic Consciousness seeks “gods” or “intercessors” it is simply like that of what the Hindu calls ignorance
The worship of Idols as explained in the Bhagadvad Gita is only out of ignorance but obviously “ALL” prayers are being directed to One God. and the presence of Krishna is for the benefit of the person because many have not the Spiritual capacity to worship the TRANSCENDENT.
So the worshippers of Jesus are not different than the worshippers of Krishna in the sense that they both say God is in the flesh.
When I think of God in the flesh I do not equate that with being God but as evidence of God.
Most Christians believe the word Manifest to mean what it does not, the word Manifest means to make evident, to me all of creation is a manifestation i.e. evidence of God
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 20 2009,11:25) Quote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2009,09:01) That is what I think. Stuart
Hi Stuart,Your logic on the other thread is illogical.
If Darwin were correct as you assert,
then how do you stop Genocide?Meaning if the strongest survives then the thought….
'I don't like you so I will (falsely) kill you, then I win.'
Can you NOT see the error in this type of thinking?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I don't assert that Darwin is correct. Science does not work like that. Darwin's theory, although since enhanced by discoveries since, is the only theory we have for the origin of the species on earth. It is a falsifiable, evidence-based model that so far has not been disproved. It could be wrong, but that is not the direction things are going in.Yes I can see the error in saying that if I kill you then I win. Can you?
Can you see the error in linking this to Darwin's name? Do you think Darwin wrote a big treatise on why genocide is OK? Of course not, he just described, accurately, how we all came to be here.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2009,13:29) Darwin's theory, although since enhanced by discoveries since, is the only theory we have for the origin of the species on earth. Stuart
Hi Stuart,I thought you said that you were Agnostic?
That is what Atheists (falsely) believe?
That is not true (the only theory) and you know it?
There is the theory of “Intelligent Design” as well!
And I have been showing to you an “intelligent Design”; Not random number patterns.
Psalm 117 (Jehovah God's Theomatic number in Hebrew)
is the smallest Chapter of the Largest Book, and the Bibles Center.
That in and of it'self is NOT random! As I have demonstrated.YHVH is GOD=117; 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm
When I say Darwin, you know, I mean his false 'theories'.
Natural selection is of course true, but most of his other theories are false;
like (origins of species) using 'brain bondo' to fill in the “many gaps”.
There has been not one Scientific case of a 'jump' in species;
(God created) nature does not allow for that. Mules are sterile.
1Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust,
avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:For example the Earth was thought to be flat, but God's word says otherwise…
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain,
and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Now Science has proven the ever expanding universe;
both are in (Isaiah 40:22) “The Bible”=63, the word of “YHVH”=63.And no he isn't some giant space creature sitting on the Earth.
He is my invisible friend; and he can be your friend as well.
1Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible,
the only wise God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen.Science is just starting to prove that energy cannot die.
I forgot how Science words this idea;
proving that the essence of our lives go on.There is much “proof ” of God's existence my friend.
If you are truly Agnostic as you claim, then you should
be open to the evidences! NOT simply a narrow minded Atheist!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd
Quote I thought you said that you were Agnostic? That is what Atheists (falsely) believe?
We are all agnostic, I have just come to a conclusion based on all the (negative) evidence that we have that there is nothing that suggests anything such as gods.Quote That is not true (the only theory) and you know it? There is the theory of “Intelligent Design” as well!
I’ve never heard it. Perhaps you would like to post a link to it. I can give you links to the legal summary by Judge Jones in the Dover trial that explains why ID is not science, and a link to the Wedge Document that shows you what the proponents of ID really think it is (not a theory!). Are you interested in those?Quote When I say Darwin, you know, I mean his false 'theories'. Natural selection is of course true, but most of his other theories are false;
Darwin’s theory IS natural selection, which he used to explain the fact of evolution.Quote like (origins of species) using 'brain bondo' to fill in the “many gaps”. There has been not one Scientific case of a 'jump' in species;
What is a ‘jump’ in species? Do you mean a duck giving birth to a crocodile or some other such creationist strawman?Quote (God created) nature does not allow for that. Mules are sterile.
1Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust,
avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Says Saul of Tarsus, Mr. Babbler himself.Quote For example the Earth was thought to be flat, but God's word says otherwise…
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,
and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers;
that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain,
and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Now Science has proven the ever expanding universe;
No it hasn’t. As I mentioned to you before, science does not work like that.What about the solid firmament in Genesis? Has NASA proved that exists by crashing its rockets into it? I’m sorry to say that I think you know so little about these things that you would not be able to tell me whether you think that has actually happened or not.
Quote Science is just starting to prove that energy cannot die. I forgot how Science words this idea; proving that the essence of our lives go on.
Don’t worry about knowing what you are talking about, or anything like that.Quote There is much “proof ” of God's existence my friend.
If you are truly Agnostic as you claim, then you should
be open to the evidences! NOT simply a narrow minded Atheist!
I have already told you that my mind is open to evidence, and you have told me that it is too. I’m waiting for you to provide some, and explain how it is evidence.Is your mind open to the possibility that there are no gods?
Stuart
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 20 2009,11:32) The fact is accepting the parameters of known possibility is essential to understanding reality. Some very disturbing things help us understand or discover other things. Flies help us to discover dead bodies and other rotting or smelly things.
Bodies themselves will give off a severe stench after death and likewise when any religion turns that corner and becomes corrupt it starts to smell whether it be Christianity or Islam and that is why the fellowship of believers exceed their origination of title and stay in the true life and light that is sweet and savory.
All argument is for the sake of discovery.
And those failings are not necessarily the sole domain of religions. One point I would make is that it is not necessarily just the eventual corruption of religions that is the problem. Christianity and Islam have fairly clear points where, essentially Abrahamism turned direction, and I would contend that in Jesus and Mohammad you have the immoral beginnings of religions, not just the immoral decay of them.Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2009,16:05) I have already told you that my mind is open to evidence, and you have told me that it is too. I’m waiting for you to provide some, and explain how it is evidence. Stuart
Hi Stuart,What about this one piece alone, do you just shrug it off?
Psalm 117 (Jehovah God's Theomatic number in Hebrew)
is the smallest Chapter of the Largest Book, and the Bibles Center.The center of the book matches precisely “Who” the book is about!
YHVH is GOD=117; 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-HêêmHow can you just simply dismiss this connection, if you are truly Agnostic?
Why does Psalm 117 match JEHOVAH GOD as the Theomatic number of?
Why is the Bibles center Chapter, the smallest Chapter of the Largest Book?
A Scientist would not simply dismiss it as coincidence,
as the odds can be mathematically calculated.
All of the evidences I present can be mathematically calculated,
using probability factors.
Yet you just seem to shrug it off as merely random? Calling it 'dull nonsense' and 'to tedious'?Changing subjects
Here at this site Scientists discuss evidences of Creation.
What is called in Scientific communities the “theory” of “Intelligent Design”.http://creationwiki.org/Creation_Evidence_Museum
Ed J
PS. I considered the possibility of no God when I was 5 years old,
but when I turned 12 I rationalized (without coercion) that there was!
And since then He has proven himself to me so many times,
that I can say with certainty that God does in fact exist.
And now I even have the proof! Which you continue to discount,
like I would expect an Atheist to do, not someone who is truly Agnostic.Ed
Quote What about this one piece alone, do you just shrug it off?
Yes, I just shrug it off.Quote Psalm 117 (Jehovah God's Theomatic number in Hebrew) is the smallest Chapter of the Largest Book, and the Bibles Center. The center of the book matches precisely “Who” the book is about!
YHVH is GOD=117; 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm
How can you just simply dismiss this connection, if you are truly Agnostic?
Very easily. Size is not important.Quote Why does Psalm 117 match JEHOVAH GOD as the Theomatic number of?
What the hell is a theomatic number?Quote Why is the Bibles center Chapter, the smallest Chapter of the Largest Book?
Huh?Quote A Scientist would not simply dismiss it as coincidence,
as the odds can be mathematically calculated.
All of the evidences I present can be mathematically calculated,
using probability factors.Go on then. Show me those calculations. That is what I asked you for pages ago. I think A Scientist would not have shown the patience I have with your nonsense.
Yet you just seem to shrug it off as merely random? Calling it 'dull nonsense' and 'to tedious'?
Yes, I do seem to do that.Quote Changing subjects
Thank goodness.Quote Here at this site Scientists discuss evidences of Creation.
What is called in Scientific communities the “theory” of “Intelligent Design”.
The site describes a building with a hyperbaric chamber in it.I would get banned if I honestly shared with you how ‘most scientists’ describe intelligent design creationism. But don’t let reality get in the way of what you believe.
Quote PS. I considered the possibility of no God when I was 5 years old,
but when I turned 12 I rationalized (without coercion) that there was!So for all the time you have been capable of the abstract thinking required to deal with such concepts, you have closed your mind. You closed that mind at the age of 12.
And you accuse me of having a closed mind.Quote And since then He has proven himself to me so many times,
that I can say with certainty that God does in fact exist.
And now I even have the proof! Which you continue to discount,
like I would expect an Atheist to do, not someone who is truly Agnostic.
Get back to us when you know something about what you are posting. You don’t even know anything about the numerology!Stuart
Attempt 2:
Ed
Quote What about this one piece alone, do you just shrug it off?
Yes, I just shrug it off.Quote Psalm 117 (Jehovah God's Theomatic number in Hebrew) is the smallest Chapter of the Largest Book, and the Bibles Center. The center of the book matches precisely “Who” the book is about!
YHVH is GOD=117; 117=יהוה האלהים(JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm
How can you just simply dismiss this connection, if you are truly Agnostic?
Very easily. Size is not important.Quote Why does Psalm 117 match JEHOVAH GOD as the Theomatic number of?
What the hell is a theomatic number?Quote Why is the Bibles center Chapter, the smallest Chapter of the Largest Book?
Huh?Quote A Scientist would not simply dismiss it as coincidence,
as the odds can be mathematically calculated.
All of the evidences I present can be mathematically calculated,
using probability factors.
Go on then. Show me those calculations. That is what I asked you for pages ago. I think A Scientist would not have shown the patience I have with your nonsense.Quote Yet you just seem to shrug it off as merely random? Calling it 'dull nonsense' and 'to tedious'?
Yes, I do seem to do that.Quote Changing subjects
Thank goodness.Quote Here at this site Scientists discuss evidences of Creation.
What is called in Scientific communities the “theory” of “Intelligent Design”.
The site describes a building with a hyperbaric chamber in it.I would get banned if I honestly shared with you how ‘most scientists’ describe intelligent design creationism. But don’t let reality get in the way of what you believe.
Quote PS. I considered the possibility of no God when I was 5 years old,
but when I turned 12 I rationalized (without coercion) that there was!
So for all the time you have been capable of the abstract thinking required to deal with such concepts, you have closed your mind. You closed that mind at the age of 12. [/quote]
And you accuse me of having a closed mind.Quote And since then He has proven himself to me so many times,
that I can say with certainty that God does in fact exist.
And now I even have the proof! Which you continue to discount,
like I would expect an Atheist to do, not someone who is truly Agnostic.
Get back to us when you know something about what you are posting. You don’t even know anything about the numerology!Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2009,17:32) Quote Why is the Bibles center Chapter, the smallest Chapter of the Largest Book?
Huh?Stuart
Hi Stuart,Have you ever heard of a fractal?
Chapter 117 illustrates fractal consistency concerning…
“GOD The Father”=117Despite God's enormity he is concerned with the seemingly insignificant!
That's you Stuart, you are NOT insignificant, you were created in God's image.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Stu @ Dec. 20 2009,16:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 20 2009,11:32) The fact is accepting the parameters of known possibility is essential to understanding reality. Some very disturbing things help us understand or discover other things. Flies help us to discover dead bodies and other rotting or smelly things.
Bodies themselves will give off a severe stench after death and likewise when any religion turns that corner and becomes corrupt it starts to smell whether it be Christianity or Islam and that is why the fellowship of believers exceed their origination of title and stay in the true life and light that is sweet and savory.
All argument is for the sake of discovery.
And those failings are not necessarily the sole domain of religions. One point I would make is that it is not necessarily just the eventual corruption of religions that is the problem. Christianity and Islam have fairly clear points where, essentially Abrahamism turned direction, and I would contend that in Jesus and Mohammad you have the immoral beginnings of religions, not just the immoral decay of them.Stuart
Not at all, Also it is not the religion itself that becomes corrupt but individuals proclaiming that religion and by doing so falsely represents it. Religion itself can only be described as the practice of doing what one ought to do a prescribed to them by their Faith.Pure religion is to take care of those in need and to refrain from evil, therefor to pursue evil is to be irreligious.
immoral decay only happens to individuals we cannot suggest that Ideas degenerate such as “happiness taking a bad turn” it would make no sense.
Now, why is it you seem to focus and combine individuals as synonomous with “God”? You have not absorbed the actual morality of God and yet say it's immoral.
Can you show me this immoralty?
BD
Quote Can you show me this immoralty? If religion was only about taking care of those in need and refraining from doing 'evil', why is there any need for god belief at all?
Wouldn't you say that it was a pretty early invention of christianity that, in order to get the nonsense reward of some bonus living after you had died (immoral because the promise cannot be substantiated) you also have to accept that there was inherently something wrong with you when you were born and that accepting a man's judicial execution will deliver you from all this and make everything better.
An ugly, egotistical and impoverished philosophy if ever there was one.
And it is not just christianity…!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Dec. 21 2009,06:13) BD Quote Can you show me this immoralty? If religion was only about taking care of those in need and refraining from doing 'evil', why is there any need for god belief at all?
Wouldn't you say that it was a pretty early invention of christianity that, in order to get the nonsense reward of some bonus living after you had died (immoral because the promise cannot be substantiated) you also have to accept that there was inherently something wrong with you when you were born and that accepting a man's judicial execution will deliver you from all this and make everything better.
An ugly, egotistical and impoverished philosophy if ever there was one.
And it is not just christianity…!
Stuart
To be honest, this is what I have been saying all along. The essense of God is a Quality within a person and not a proclamation.When this Quality is with someone it is a reward within itself therefore many Sufi mystics have stated that “Lord, if I follow you simply to enter heaven send me to hell”
There is nothing inherently wrong with anyone and there is no original sin that affects anyone.
Any weakness at birth is simply a process of building strength.
You may be closer to experiencing God than you think and those who doubt you may be further away from experiencing God than they think.
Understand the Quality Stu and you will be there in no time because I will tell you I don't want anyone dying for me it is mine to own just like my birth and whether there be a thousand heavens or none God is the Quality of my experience whether for a day or forever.
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