Karmarie

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 27 2009,09:46)

2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The day has not come yet

Hi BD,

Obviously you either did not read my last post or you did not understand (at all) what I said?

“The day of the LORD'' is happening NOW!
I did NOT say it was happening at the time of Pentecost?
You really do need to comprehend what others write,
that way it will not have to repeated over and over again?

“The day of the LORD” is the “Feast of Booths”, and it is obviously not happening for you
because you are NOT a Christian yet; that is step 1 of God's “three” great feasts “The Passover”.
You cannot jump God's plan, First you must become a Christian!
I explained what a “Christian” is for you in “the thread” called…
'saul Paul of tarsus, a false apostle, a true antichrist' (Page 8: last post at bottom of the page).
This thread is located in the category called “Doctrinal Disagreements”.
I think you should go back and read that post as well,
before you start making unwarranted 'false accusations'?
A “Christian”=101 is one who does “God's will”=101.
The identity of “GOD”=26 is יהוה=26 spoken as YÄ=26; and YÄ-hä-vā!
“101” is the “26th” prime number, in a long list of prime numbers starting with two!

Ed J

December 27, 2009 at 2:43 am#166610

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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,10:30)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 27 2009,09:46)

2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The day has not come yet

Hi BD,

Obviously you either did not read my last post or you did not understand (at all) what I said?

Ed J

I was a Christian long before I ever read or was even interested in Islam. I have been many denominations as well.

I have studied in depth with the JW's, I have studied Mormonism, Catholicism, Penecostal…. and plus many many more of the endless Christian denominations so you are already way off base concerning me.

I have also been with The Worldwide Church of God with and without Armstrong always watched the World Tommorrow television series when I was a kid.

I have studied more religion and denominations than you could probably imagine I have also studied Astrology, Numerology and all the other stuff you find so exciting now that I found exciting years ago.

I have had a direct relationship with God for several years the latter years I became fully aware of the relationship and God has been like a close personal friend, He has allowed me heal the sick, uplift the oppressed and do so many, many things.

I have “Witnessed The Real” and I have (By God's grace) helped others witness the real as well and I can help you do the same but you will have to pay attention and become absolutely Honest.

December 27, 2009 at 3:01 am#166613

karmarie

Participant

Bod,

I know what you mean, I also studied so many religeons, denominations, searching for “the true ones” , I went on a crazy chase for years never quite finding what i was looking for, but I soon found the easy truth that true religeon is within, it is trusting in God alone, (by God alone I personally refer to both God and Jesus), and that is the truth i found, and with that truth, many things amazing can happen. True Faith.

December 27, 2009 at 3:46 am#166617

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Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 27 2009,14:01)

Bod,

Yes, True Faith.

Also, you should know that I LOVE JESUS greatly and that is why I defend the position of following him in Submission to God, there can be no better example.

But we are to be equal examples submitting ourselves to God whole heartedly.

December 27, 2009 at 4:43 am#166625

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 27 2009,13:43)

I was a Christian long before I ever read or was even interested in Islam. I have been many denominations as well.

I have also been with The Worldwide Church of God with and without Armstrong always watched the World Tommorrow television series when I was a kid.

I have “Witnessed The Real” and I have (By God's grace) helped others witness the real as well and I can help you do the same but you will have to pay attention and become absolutely Honest.

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 08 2009,13:19)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,17:49)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 07 2009,16:57)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,15:49)

bodhitharta,Dec. wrote:

3.68421052631578947

Great you should be able to figure this out, if you do you truly are “witness” if not you fail.

This is your test set up specifically for you since 2005

so what will you say?

Hi BD,

The answer to your riddle is 420/114=3.68421052631578947

Now will you turn to my GOD(YHVH); and stop worshiping false gods?

Very Good 420/114

I will tell you I am starting to believe your calling because this quest has been given to many and NONE has arrived at 420/114 INCLUDING ME.

Hi BD,

That's probably why [117=יהוה האלהים] YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm (JEHOVAH GOD) has brought me into your life,
for such a time as this; to help you remove all the remaining confusion still locked in your mind.

First you said (in essence) if I answered your number riddle that I was a “true witness”,
which gave me the motivation to put forth my effort to solve it for you; which I did.

You also said (in essence) that nobody was able to solve your number problem for over 14 years!
It took me less than 5 minutes to give to you your answer of 420/114=3.68421052631578947…

Now according to your own words that makes me a “True Witness”; which The Bible already says in (AKJV) Joshua 22:34!
The Bible also says let “every word” be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses.
The AKJV Bible is one and you are two, now I ask you who is it that is disingenuous?
I have been honest with you all along.
The 'hadith' says, it is OK to LIE; is that what you are doing now, BD?

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 25 2009,12:16)

unless ED acknowledges the truth he is a false witness.

But here is what the word of GOD says…

Rev.21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain,
and showed me that great [“HolyCity”=117] …descending out of heaven from God,
Rev.21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men,
and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, “and God himself”=117 shall be with them, and be their God.

Rev.21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into [“HolyCity”=117] anything that defileth,
neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Rev.21:8 …and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

God’s word promises this is what awaits ‘all liars’, it’s much better to tell the “Truth”, BD!

Ed J (Isaiah 60:14)

December 27, 2009 at 5:28 am#166629

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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,15:43)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 27 2009,13:43)

I was a Christian long before I ever read or was even interested in Islam. I have been many denominations as well.

I have also been with The Worldwide Church of God with and without Armstrong always watched the World Tommorrow television series when I was a kid.

I have “Witnessed The Real” and I have (By God's grace) helped others witness the real as well and I can help you do the same but you will have to pay attention and become absolutely Honest.

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 08 2009,13:19)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,17:49)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 07 2009,16:57)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 07 2009,15:49)

bodhitharta,Dec. wrote:

3.68421052631578947

Great you should be able to figure this out, if you do you truly are “witness” if not you fail.

This is your test set up specifically for you since 2005

so what will you say?

Hi BD,

The answer to your riddle is 420/114=3.68421052631578947

Now will you turn to my GOD(YHVH); and stop worshiping false gods?

Very Good 420/114

I will tell you I am starting to believe your calling because this quest has been given to many and NONE has arrived at 420/114 INCLUDING ME.

Hi BD,

First you said (in essence) if I answered your number riddle that I was a “true witness”,
which gave me the motivation to put forth my effort to solve it for you; which I did.

You also said (in essence) that nobody was able to solve your number problem for over 14 years!
It took me less than 5 minutes to give to you your answer of 420/114=3.68421052631578947…

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 25 2009,12:16)

unless ED acknowledges the truth he is a false witness.

But here is what the word of GOD says…

God’s word promises this is what awaits ‘all liars’, it’s much better to tell the “Truth”, BD!

Ed J (Isaiah 60:14)

You never finished the riddle, and it was only 4 years that it was prepared not 14.

You answered the first part but you never went beyond that first point.

I don't place stock in any “Hadith” only the words of the Quran and trust me there is no confusion in my mind about what I say to you or anyone else.

I didn't accuse you of Lying, I just said you weren't being totally honest which doesn't mean you are lying it just means you are not being totally sincere.

December 27, 2009 at 6:12 am#166633

NickHassan

Participant

Hi BD,
But the quran is empty talk?

December 27, 2009 at 6:18 am#166635

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 27 2009,17:12)

Hi BD,
But the quran is empty talk?

Would you like to be invited to a debate Nick?

December 27, 2009 at 8:26 am#166651

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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 23 2009,10:36)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:48)

What 'fact' demonstrates that evolution has no basis in reality?

Stuart

Hi Stuart,

Gene mutations are a necessary component in the Evolutionary scheme.
Gene mutations are “never” positive, only destructive.

Yet this myth is one you stubbornly choose to believe in?
Are you doing something terribly wrong that you want NO accountability for?

Ed J

No Ed, it is indeed a myth that I do not believe.

Sorry I don't understand. What accountability to I have for genetic mutation?

Stuart

December 27, 2009 at 8:29 am#166652

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 27 2009,13:43)

I was a Christian long before I ever read or was even interested in Islam. I have been many denominations as well.

I have also been with The Worldwide Church of God with and without Armstrong always watched the World Tommorrow television series when I was a kid.

I have “Witnessed The Real” and I have (By God's grace) helped others witness the real as well and I can help you do the same but you will have to pay attention and become absolutely Honest.

It will be the Judeo-christian god then that overrules allah and insists that you burn as a vengeful punishment for rejecting salvation through Jesus.

Stuart

December 27, 2009 at 9:03 am#166658

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What simpler explanation he lived in the middle of the desert.

Huh? How is that an answer? You are claiming magic because of this knowledge he apparently had. I have given you answers that are very straightforward and do not require magic. That makes your argument circular: it must have been magic because these things are magic.

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There are other things as well such as:

3- He created the seven heavens (skies) in layers. You do not see any imperfection in the creation by the Gracious. Turn your eyes again. Do you see any flaw?
67-The Kingdom, 3

The statement in the Quran about seven heavens may be interpreted as seven different strata, seven different dimensions or seven different fields of attraction. A closer analysis of the atmosphere, which, to the naked eye may present uniformity, makes it clear that it is not actually so.

Or this:
12- It is God who created the seven heavens and of the earth the same number. The commands flow among them that you may know that God has power over everything and everything is held within the knowledge of God.
65-Divorce, 12

The 12th verse of sura 65 mentions the seven heavens and as many layers in the earth. We already saw that the seven layers of the heavens were in perfect harmony with each other, each performing its duty impeccably. The 12th verse of the 65th sura establishes a similarity between the heavens and the earth.[/quote]
There are five layers of the atmosphere. Troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere, thermosphere and exosphere. Even if you stretch the definitions by including ionosphere, that is still only six.

Tell me what the ‘duty’ of the exosphere is.

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Our earth is also stratified as the heavens are, and our life on earth depends on these layers. In the Arabic community of the Prophet’s time, the surface of the earth was an expanse full of mystery. The knowledge prevalent at the time did not permit man to have an inkling of the stratigraphy. The fact that the statement in the Quran of the atmospheric layers is almost a replica of this stratification of the earth is another miracle.

65:12 Allah it is who hath created seven heavens, and of the earth the like thereof. The commandment cometh down among them slowly, that ye may know that Allah is Able to do all things, and that Allah surroundeth all things in knowledge.

Apart from not substantiating your statement that life depends on the layers, can you show me where it says that the earth is stratified?

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or this:

6- …He creates you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after the other, in three darkness.
39-The Throngs, 6

The fetus in the mother’s womb is a fragile thing. If it were not protected well, heat, cold, temperature variations, impacts or even the mother’s sudden movement might kill it or cause it irreparable damage. The three zones within the mother’s womb protect the fetus against all sorts of dangers. These are:

1- The abdominal wall,
2- The uterine wall, and
3- The amniotic sac.

These are ‘stages’…

Riiiiiiight.

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With the level of knowledge at the time, this information could not have been available. The fetus continues to develop in the dark of these three regions. The amniotic sac contains a fluid that fills the amnion to protect the embryo from desiccation and shock. This substance is a kind of cushion that absorbs shocks, balances exerted pressures, prevents the amniotic membrane from adhering to the embryo and enables the fetus to change position in the uterus. If the fetus could not easily move in the said fluid, it would remain idle as a mass of flesh and would likely suffer injuries leading to various complications. Equal distribution of heat enables the fetus to be at a constant temperature: 31°C.

Isn’t it neat that we have modern science to provide you with all this information that ISN’T FOUND IN YOUR BOOK OF MYTHOLOGY!

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We observe that our Creator has designed everything perfectly in its minutest detail, satisfying all the requirements of our body and protecting it against the dangers lurking in the outside world.

Don’t lie. You have never observed your ‘creator’ do anything of the sort.

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or this:

30- He made the earth egg-shaped.
79-The Snatchers, 30

The Arabic word “dahw” means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg. The above verse was also interpreted to refer to the shaping of the earth in the form of an ostrich egg. Prof. Dr. Suleyman Atefl, former head of Religious Affairs in Turkey, gives the following definition of the word, based on the famous Arabic dictionary Lisan u’l Arab: “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.” The word “dahw” had also been defined as a game played with walnuts. Derived from the same stem, the word “medahi” referred to round stones. Despite the meaning of rotundity concealed in words derived from the word “dahw” there have been translators for whom a spherical earth was difficult to conceive, who had to translate it as “to spread out.” The actual shape of the earth does have the shape of an ostrich egg. Thus the shape of the earth is spheroid with depressions at the poles. The exact figure of the earth which had posed a problem throughout history was established by the Quran.

Where does it say OSTRICH? Or EGG? You lie again.

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or this:

6- Have We not made the earth habitable?
7- And the mountains as pegs?
78-The Event, 6-7

Mountains are often mentioned in the Quran. The simile of pegs seems to be preternatural in the light of geological findings of the last century.

So, given how different the findings of the last century have been in geology, presumably islamic scholars worked out and published the theory of plate tectonics long before Wegener did. Where did they publish?

The mountains we observe on the surface of the earth rest on immense strata that may be ten to fifteen times as deep as the portion remaining on the surface of the earth. For instance, the highest mountain on earth, whose peak attains an altitude of 9 km from the ground, possesses a substratum that goes about 125 km into the depths of the earth. For a peg to be able to fulfill its function, the length of the portion stuck in the earth is important. The same holds true for
the mountain.[/quote]
I can push my tent peg in to the ground to a depth of 20% of its total length and have it hold fine. I can also push it in 90% of the way and it works just as well. Actually that does not apply to the structure of the crust sticking down into the aesthenosphere, does it. It is really nothing like ‘pegs’ at all.

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There also exist mountains rising from the bottom of seas that also possess substratum. These substrata support the visible portion of the mountains in accordance with the Archimedean principle. These substrata were unknown until a few centuries back, let alone during the time of the Prophet. The simile in the Quran is once again a miraculous statement.

BD, I bet you couldn’t explain that last bit in your own words if you really tried.

Can’t you cut and past some islamic propaganda that does not contradict the Hadith “Be honest because honesty leads to goodness, and goodness leads to Paradise. Beware of falsehood because it leads to immorality, and immorality leads to Hell.”?

Your bravery in the face of hell is admirable.

Stuart

December 27, 2009 at 9:07 am#166659

Participant

Attempt Two:
BD

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What simpler explanation he lived in the middle of the desert.

Quote

There are other things as well such as:

3- He created the seven heavens (skies) in layers. You do not see any imperfection in the creation by the Gracious. Turn your eyes again. Do you see any flaw?
67-The Kingdom, 3

There are five layers of the atmosphere. Troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere, thermosphere and exosphere. Even if you stretch the definitions by including ionosphere, that is still only six.

Tell me what the ‘duty’ of the exosphere is.

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Apart from not substantiating your statement that life depends on the layers, can you show me where it says that the earth is stratified?

Quote

or this:

6- …He creates you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after the other, in three darkness.
39-The Throngs, 6

1- The abdominal wall,
2- The uterine wall, and
3- The amniotic sac.

These are ‘stages’…

Riiiiiiight.

Quote

Isn’t it neat that we have modern science to provide you with all this information that ISN’T FOUND IN YOUR BOOK OF MYTHOLOGY!

Quote

We observe that our Creator has designed everything perfectly in its minutest detail, satisfying all the requirements of our body and protecting it against the dangers lurking in the outside world.

Don’t lie. You have never observed your ‘creator’ do anything of the sort.

Quote

or this:

30- He made the earth egg-shaped.
79-The Snatchers, 30

Where does it say OSTRICH? Or EGG? You lie again.

Quote

or this:

6- Have We not made the earth habitable?
7- And the mountains as pegs?
78-The Event, 6-7

Mountains are often mentioned in the Quran. The simile of pegs seems to be preternatural in the light of geological findings of the last century.

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I can push my tent peg in to the ground to a depth of 20% of its total length and have it hold fine. I can also push it in 90% of the way and it works just as well. Actually that does not apply to the structure of the crust sticking down into the aesthenosphere, does it. It is really nothing like ‘pegs’ at all.

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BD, I bet you couldn’t explain that last bit in your own words if you really tried.

Can’t you find something that does not contradict the Hadith “Be honest because honesty leads to goodness, and goodness leads to Paradise. Beware of falsehood because it leads to immorality, and immorality leads to Hell.”?

Your bravery in the face of hell is admirable.

Stuart

3- He created the seven heavens (skies) in layers. You do not see any imperfection in the creation by the Gracious. Turn your eyes again. Do you see any flaw?
67-The Kingdom, 3

Tell me what the ‘duty’ of the exosphere is.

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Apart from not substantiating your statement that life depends on the layers, can you show me where it says that the earth is stratified?

Quote

or this:

6- …He creates you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after the other, in three darkness.
39-The Throngs, 6

1- The abdominal wall,
2- The uterine wall, and
3- The amniotic sac.

These are ‘stages’…

Riiiiiiight.

Quote

Isn’t it neat that we have modern science to provide you with all this information that ISN’T FOUND IN YOUR BOOK OF MYTHOLOGY!

Quote

We observe that our Creator has designed everything perfectly in its minutest detail, satisfying all the requirements of our body and protecting it against the dangers lurking in the outside world.

Don’t lie. You have never observed your ‘creator’ do anything of the sort.

Quote

or this:

30- He made the earth egg-shaped.
79-The Snatchers, 30

Where does it say OSTRICH? Or EGG? You lie again.

Quote

or this:

6- Have We not made the earth habitable?
7- And the mountains as pegs?
78-The Event, 6-7

Mountains are often mentioned in the Quran. The simile of pegs seems to be preternatural in the light of geological findings of the last century.

So, given how diff
erent the findings of the last century have been in geology, presumably islamic scholars worked out and published the theory of plate tectonics long before Wegener did. Where did they publish?

The mountains we observe on the surface of the earth rest on immense strata that may be ten to fifteen times as deep as the portion remaining on the surface of the earth. For instance, the highest mountain on earth, whose peak attains an altitude of 9 km from the ground, possesses a substratum that goes about 125 km into the depths of the earth. For a peg to be able to fulfill its function, the length of the portion stuck in the earth is important. The same holds true for the mountain.[/quote]
I can push my tent peg in to the ground to a depth of 20% of its total length and have it hold fine. I can also push it in 90% of the way and it works just as well. Actually that does not apply to the structure of the crust sticking down into the aesthenosphere, does it. It is really nothing like ‘pegs’ at all.

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BD, I bet you couldn’t explain that last bit in your own words if you really tried.

Your bravery in the face of hell is admirable.

Stuart

December 27, 2009 at 9:08 am#166660

Participant

Oh Dear. Attempt Three:

Quote

What simpler explanation he lived in the middle of the desert.

Quote

There are other things as well such as:

3- He created the seven heavens (skies) in layers. You do not see any imperfection in the creation by the Gracious. Turn your eyes again. Do you see any flaw?
67-The Kingdom, 3

There are five layers of the atmosphere. Troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere, thermosphere and exosphere. Even if you stretch the definitions by including ionosphere, that is still only six.

Tell me what the ‘duty’ of the exosphere is.

Quote

Apart from not substantiating your statement that life depends on the layers, can you show me where it says that the earth is stratified?

Quote

or this:

6- …He creates you, in the wombs of your mothers, in stages, one after the other, in three darkness.
39-The Throngs, 6

1- The abdominal wall,
2- The uterine wall, and
3- The amniotic sac.

These are ‘stages’…

Riiiiiiight.

Quote

Isn’t it neat that we have modern science to provide you with all this information that ISN’T FOUND IN YOUR BOOK OF MYTHOLOGY!

Quote

We observe that our Creator has designed everything perfectly in its minutest detail, satisfying all the requirements of our body and protecting it against the dangers lurking in the outside world.

Don’t lie. You have never observed your ‘creator’ do anything of the sort.

Quote

or this:

30- He made the earth egg-shaped.
79-The Snatchers, 30

Where does it say OSTRICH? Or EGG? You lie again.

Quote

or this:

6- Have We not made the earth habitable?
7- And the mountains as pegs?
78-The Event, 6-7

Mountains are often mentioned in the Quran. The simile of pegs seems to be preternatural in the light of geological findings of the last century.

Quote

BD, I bet you couldn’t explain that last bit in your own words if you really tried.

Your bravery in the face of hell is admirable.

Stuart

December 27, 2009 at 9:22 am#166665

Participant

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 27 2009,19:26)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 23 2009,10:36)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:48)

What 'fact' demonstrates that evolution has no basis in reality?

Stuart

Hi Stuart,

Gene mutations are a necessary component in the Evolutionary scheme.
Gene mutations are “never” positive, only destructive.

Yet this myth is one you stubbornly choose to believe in?
Are you doing something terribly wrong that you want NO accountability for?

Ed J

No Ed, it is indeed a myth that I do not believe.

Sorry I don't understand. What accountability to I have for genetic mutation?

Stuart

Hi Stuart,

I'm glad your back!

If not Gene mutations, than what are the subtle changes
that have occurred over long periods of time according to the evolutionary scheme?

Ed J

December 27, 2009 at 9:39 am#166668

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,20:22)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 27 2009,19:26)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 23 2009,10:36)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 22 2009,17:48)

What 'fact' demonstrates that evolution has no basis in reality?

Stuart

Hi Stuart,

Gene mutations are a necessary component in the Evolutionary scheme.
Gene mutations are “never” positive, only destructive.

Yet this myth is one you stubbornly choose to believe in?
Are you doing something terribly wrong that you want NO accountability for?

Ed J

No Ed, it is indeed a myth that I do not believe.

Sorry I don't understand. What accountability to I have for genetic mutation?

Stuart

Hi Stuart,

I'm glad your back!

If not Gene mutations, than what are the subtle changes
that have occurred over long periods of time according to the evolutionary scheme?

Ed J

Thanks Ed!

Um… gene mutations ARE the source of the changes retained by natural selection.

Radiation, viruses, transposons, mutagenic chemicals and copying errors are the main causes of mutation.

You are right that most mutations are damaging. You are wrong that none are beneficial. Some are neither damaging nor useful because they do not affect a gene's ability to code for a working protein, or they affect a section of 'junk DNA', that does not produce proteins.

Stuart

December 27, 2009 at 9:47 am#166669

Participant

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 27 2009,20:39)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,20:22)

Hi Stuart,

I'm glad your back!

If not Gene mutations, than what are the subtle changes
that have occurred over long periods of time according to the evolutionary scheme?

Ed J

Thanks Ed!

Um… gene mutations ARE the source of the changes retained by natural selection.

Radiation, viruses, transposons, mutagenic chemicals and copying errors are the main causes of mutation.

Stuart

Hi Stuart,

I have never heard of one documented case of a useful mutation.
They only occur in the minds of evolutionists, filling in the MANY gaps of Darwin's flawed “theory”.

Ed J

December 27, 2009 at 11:12 am#166672

TimothyVI

Participant

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,20:47)

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 27 2009,20:39)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 27 2009,20:22)

Hi Stuart,

I'm glad your back!

If not Gene mutations, than what are the subtle changes
that have occurred over long periods of time according to the evolutionary scheme?

Ed J

Thanks Ed!

Um… gene mutations ARE the source of the changes retained by natural selection.

Radiation, viruses, transposons, mutagenic chemicals and copying errors are the main causes of mutation.

Stuart

Hi Stuart,

I have never heard of one documented case of a useful mutation.
They only occur in the minds of evolutionists, filling in the MANY gaps of Darwin's flawed “theory”.

Ed J

I read of a study in the scientific journal Nature
where nematodes were allowed to reproduce both sexually (outcrossing)
and asexually (selfing).

I don’t recall the entire study but the outcrossed worms were grown in
separate Petri dishes from the selfing worms and they were somehow
separated from their food source.

The conclusion of the study was that after a number of generations,
beneficial gene mutations were responsible for the outcrossing
group being able to better navigate to their food source than the
selfing group.

Tim

December 27, 2009 at 11:21 am#166673

Participant

The mutations that have allowed some strains of staphylococcus to become resistant to antibiotics have been unquestionably beneficial to those bacteria.

Stuart

December 27, 2009 at 6:14 pm#166688

Participant

Quote (Stu @ Dec. 27 2009,19:29)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 27 2009,13:43)

I was a Christian long before I ever read or was even interested in Islam. I have been many denominations as well.

I have also been with The Worldwide Church of God with and without Armstrong always watched the World Tommorrow television series when I was a kid.

I have “Witnessed The Real” and I have (By God's grace) helped others witness the real as well and I can help you do the same but you will have to pay attention and become absolutely Honest.

It will be the Judeo-christian god then that overrules allah and insists that you burn as a vengeful punishment for rejecting salvation through Jesus.

Stuart

Allah is the Judeo-Christian God because there is Only One God.

December 27, 2009 at 6:26 pm#166689