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WJ,
I presume that you are posting some nasty icony things….don't waste your time. I am blind in the flesh!!
I sense you are angry, really blazing…good, good, get it out.
You have been under the spell for over 30 years. 30 years believing and teaching…woy!, Misleading… others. It is not surprising that it is hard to take.
Believe me, WJ, I feel for you. It must be torment. I feel it in your post.
You thought you had matched wits with the best over the years, and so you have. You are a master, truly, a mighty god.
I have seen your posts, they are full of confidence in your own ability to refute all claims against the trinity doctrine, you remain calm in the face of mighty winds of (truth), unfortunately a spent force against your fortress of wileyness.
However, you reckoned without one adversary that you can never defeat: The Holy Spirit and anyone possessing it (G, J …m!)
And, WJ, one adversary that will always defeat you: You, yourself.
When I became you, you were doomed, defeated.
Check this…two pages and you are layed out flat. Not even Mohammed Ali did that with his easiest opponent (Mind you, he was also a Showman.)
WJ, please don't beat yourself up too much, only a little. Get angry, rage at me for exposing your deceit to all in this forum, left you naked and cold.
Well, WJ, as Vinny Jones says in one of his movies, 'It was – emotional'
WJ, when you say that God has no name, just what do you think God is thinking of you?
When you usurp His Word with your abomination of a trinity creed, that you yourself tread on every time you post, yes WJ, I am mindful of how you have completely strayed from the trinity doctrine in many of your posts, as it is said in some place, 'if you want to find the true language of a person, just slap them. WJ, you have just been slappedm or rather, slapped yourself and revealed your true self, what do you think God is preparing for you?
WJ, when I, with the help of God's Holy Spirit, grab your hand and drag you out of the mire, why do you rage at me, at the Holy Spirit, also.
WJ, is that a wise thing to be doing. What does the Scriptures say about doing things against the Holy Spirit?
WJ, what does the Scriptures say about the dog and its vomit? About the swine and the mud?Don't think I insult you, this is no insult, it is simply and truth couched in rawness. Yes, WJ, I am raw, filth, to be held at arms length…but wait…that us how you see me because, to you, the truth is filth, is raw, is to be held at arms length, far fromn your nostrils in case it should be so perverse and presumptive as to invade your soul and turn you to righteousness.
So rant on, WJ, it is good and right. Satan is calling you out because he is being evicted from his nice comfy home he has made in you for over 30 years. He wants you to pay back for all the work he has done for you, and, WJ, his charges are high, be warned. Offer to payback at a fixed rate and then ask God, through Jesus, for the interest of the Holy Spirit.
Quote (JustAskin @ April 28 2010,20:27) So rant on, WJ, it is good and right. Satan is calling you out because he is being evicted from his nice comfy home he has made in you for over 30 years. He wants you to pay back for all the work he has done for you, and, WJ, his charges are high, be warned. Offer to payback at a fixed rate and then ask God, through Jesus, for the interest of the Holy Spirit.
JAIt's you who are ranting, I was in the middle of a debate, but you want to quit.
But now everyone can see through you. It's obvious you wanted to quit. You wanted to bow out. So now you think if you can throw up a bunch of patronizing words and sling enough mud or create a smoke screen then the reader will get lost in that and take their eyes off of the debate and your obvious defeat.
You didn't want to get into this debate with me to start with.
You ran around this thread putting yourself up like you are a God and the only one here with the Holy Spirit. You even once claimed the Holy Spirit revealed to you about the capitol letters in the Greek. Then it was pointed out to you that the Greek didn't have capitol letters. Yep that was me that pointed it out.
Tell us JA, does the Holy Spirit make mistakes, or was it you didn't hear from the Holy Spirit? 
You tried real hard at bullying Jack and myself around but we through the help of the Holy Spirit with the truth of the scriptures shut you up many times, for you didn't answer many of our post but only whined about how the Trinity is a false doctrine though you could not prove what we were saying was untrue scripturally.
You got schooled, then you just got more furious and started ranting about how you were here as the Holy Spirit to set us straight, so I challenged you to a debate just you and me one on one.
What did you do? You avoided me like the plague and hid. I kept staring down your bully but cowardly attitude here until finally you decided to a debate.
Anyone can see after the first few post you did not want to do this so instead of responding to my post when the heat was on you started whining about “being confused and feeling uneasy” and then sought to divert the debate with this comment….
Quote (JustAskin @ April 24 2010,17:02) WJ, I think I am getting confused over several issues which are preventing me from moving forward in this debate.
I was thinking that I was understanding the scriptures but something is making me feel uneasy.
Those are your words aren't they JA?So I agreed to answer your questions in time, though I doubted your sincerity, and now it looks like I was right.
It was just a diversion from my post to you.
It’s obvious to me and everyone that you were looking for a way out, so you found a way by creating your own excuse and then claiming victory in the debate. You cannot hide from the Holy Spirit JA, for he can see all those dark areas in the heart.
Anyway, everyone knows that debates do not end until one party concedes or quits.
I guess that is you. So if you want we can get the moderator in here to decide who looses based on who quit.
Or you can have some courage and stop with the patronizing and actually do some debating.
Funny how you say Matt 28:19 is your subject yet you have so little to say about it. It’s because after my first post you knew I was right.
Matt 28:19 reveals a “Trinity” and even you agreed there were three. But then I showed you that it is a singular name that Jesus said they were to be baptized into.
You know that the Apostles baptized in Jesus name.
My questions to you were…
- Explain to me how there are three (Matt 28:19 – John 14:16) dwelling within you as One Spirit? 1 Cor 12:13 – Eph 2:18 – Eph 4:4 – John 14:7 – 1 Cor 3:16 – 2 Cor 6:16 – Phil 1:19 – Rom 8:9, 10 – 2 Cor 13:5
- Based on Matt 28:19 does the Holy Spirit have a name?
But when you saw where this was going you saw nothing but defeat and decided to jump ship before you sank, then you could not be blamed for loosing the debate.
I am beginning to wonder if truth is what you seek or are you just trying to have some mental advantage over someone. God sees our hearts JA, and he knows if our motives are pure, he also sees how you live and whether you are bearing the fruit of the Holy Spirit or not. Has anyone explained to you what the fruit of the Spirit is? You can read about them in Gal 5:22-24.
Well anyway, all of your mud slinging and smoke screens won't get a mental advantage over me JA, because I am about the scriptures and to have a mental advantage over me you will have to prove that what I say is not scriptural and you haven't even come close.
Shall we go to the moderators or are you going to continue this debate until one of us concedes and quits?
Are you a quitter JA?
You are the one that has made it about winning over me. Though it should not be about winning, but it should be about the truth.
WJ
WJ,
“Those are your words, aren't they”…ref:quote.You telling me you can't recognise sarcasm. I guess you can't recognise Irony, either.
Oh,
By the way, how you getting on proving me wrong?Any 'Proof' yet?
Any supporters for you, yet?
Any detractors for me, yet?
Quote (JustAskin @ May 01 2010,01:13) WJ,
“Those are your words, aren't they”…ref:quote.You telling me you can't recognise sarcasm. I guess you can't recognise Irony, either.
JAI recognize fruit!
WJ
Quote (JustAskin @ May 01 2010,01:17) Oh,
By the way, how you getting on proving me wrong?Any 'Proof' yet?
Any supporters for you, yet?
Any detractors for me, yet?
JAWhen are you going to answer my questions?
Have you quit? I have asked you this and you are avoiding me.
I have not quit and have given my view of Matt 28:19 and more and all you have done is a dance.
Are you going to answer these questions or do you plead the fifth? That is what they do in a court of law when they do not want to incriminate against themselves!
- Does the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit live in you or not JA?
- Is the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit “ONE”?
- Does the Holy Spirit have a name?
- If no how do you explain Matt 28:19?
The debate is not over until one concedes and I have not, so it must be you? Shall I get the moderator to lock the thread because you have quit?
Everybody is watching JA. The Holy Spirit is looking into your heart and sees everything!
WJ
See, WJ, I also asked you questions but don't demand an answer.
Jack said “You can always tell the loser in an argument, they get angry!”
See, WJ, even your own friend is telling you truth to your face. And you agree with him.
WJ, you really have no idea do you?
The tears in your eyes are blinding you. I have a clean unused one I can give you!
Quote (JustAskin @ May 01 2010,15:37) See, WJ, I also asked you questions but don't demand an answer. Jack said “You can always tell the loser in an argument, they get angry!”
See, WJ, even your own friend is telling you truth to your face. And you agree with him.
WJ, you really have no idea do you?
The tears in your eyes are blinding you. I have a clean unused one I can give you!
JAHave you quit this debate? Just tell me.
Come on, can't you a man of the Holy Spirit as you claim, at least answer one of my questions?
I will be answering yours even if you do quit!
WJ
Quote (JustAskin @ May 01 2010,15:31) WJ, Ya know, they say: “When you are in a hole – Stop digging!!!”
JADo you need a rope?
WJ
WJ,
Why, are you asking me to …. you, that is against British law, and against God's law. Surely you can't be feeling that bad!
If it makes you feel better, I have said that I only wanted you to come to know the truth, but if it is too much for you, perhaps you could stop 'leaning on your own understanding' and come over from the darkside, the side controlled by the abomination. Is Satan's hold over you that strong?
The Holy Spirit has no name of it's own, it is the Spirit of the Father and therefore is 'YHVH' by proxy.
WJ, what has 30 years of learning taught you…nothing but how to be deceitful. Is that a Spiritually profitable pursuit?
Never the less, even in the 11th hour you can be acceptable to God through Christ, if you repent and come to believe.
But, WJ, it must be sincere. You cannot lie to the Holy Spirit.
WJ, do not listen to TT. He is upset because you have been offered salvation, offered… And he has not…except that he has but then rejected it through his pointless arrogance and anger over his childhood problems.
Quote (JustAskin @ May 01 2010,16:41) The Holy Spirit has no name of it's own, it is the Spirit of the Father and therefore is 'YHVH' by proxy.
This is a lie against the scriptures. Matt 28:19 says the Holy Spirit has a name like the Father and Jesus has a name.WJ
Quote (JustAskin @ May 01 2010,16:57) WJ,
Tell me, how did you come to believe in the Trinity?
The Holy Spirit and the Scriptures!WJ
WJ,
WJ, What is the Name of the Holy Spirit?
How did you know that it was the Holy Spirit?
Scriptures is for ALL so no problem with that.
Quote (JustAskin @ May 04 2010,09:04)
WJ, What is the Name of the Holy Spirit?
So you admit according to Matt 28:19 the Holy Spirit has a name? This question has already been answered. Read the beginning of this thread.Quote (JustAskin @ May 04 2010,09:04) How did you know that it was the Holy Spirit?
The Spirit itself “beareth witness with our spirit“, that we are the children of God: Rom 8:16This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, “because the Spirit is truth“.[ 1 John 5:6
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1 John 2:27
Quote (JustAskin @ May 04 2010,09:04) Scriptures is for ALL so no problem with that.
OK!WJ
WJ, you are desparately wierd.
How does saying “BY PROXY” make it so.
A proxy is someone acting on behalf of someone else. I say the Name (if it has to have one) is the name of it's owner BY PROXY.
Why are you so desparate to make yourself look worse than you are already making yourself look.
EVERYTIME YOU MAKE A CLAIM AGAINST ME you fall flat on your face — Keith – why are you doing this
Please stop.
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