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Judaism was condemed by Christ for it was paying mor attention to the letter of the law ratter than obeying and observe it and fullfil it.
is chritianism the equivallant of judaism so that we follow the letter also by looking out for details that will not help us to understand the deep knowledge wath God has hidden for to grasp with our hearts so that we may have conviction so strong that it cannot be shaken out of us.
Jesus taught basic Judaism
His famous sermon on the mount was just a repetition of an earlier and great sermon by a renowned Jewish theologian.
And the equally famous 'love thy neighbour' that is always accredited to Jesus? Written way, way earlier, in the Jewish Torah (Law)!
Jesus sought to reform some aspects of Judaism, nothing more.
People say Paul taught Gentiles to be against Torah (Law). Gentiles were never bound BY Judaism and Torah to START with!
So they were not liberated from the old covenant, they were never under the Jewish covenant.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Oct. 22 2009,01:52) Jesus taught basic Judaism His famous sermon on the mount was just a repetition of an earlier and great sermon by a renowned Jewish theologian.
And the equally famous 'love thy neighbour' that is always accredited to Jesus? Written way, way earlier, in the Jewish Torah (Law)!
Jesus sought to reform some aspects of Judaism, nothing more.
People say Paul taught Gentiles to be against Torah (Law). Gentiles were never bound BY Judaism and Torah to START with!
So they were not liberated from the old covenant, they were never under the Jewish covenant.
These folks had a great discussion on that very thing:Con: Jesus did not come to stay/lodge in the Law but to fulfill/complete the Law. He only spoke of the Law to the Jews. The others were taught of the Kingdom of God. Jesus said, “the Law and the Prophets were until John the Baptist, since then, the Kingdom of God is preached. That was the end of the Law for those who believe Jesus. Jesus didn't even follow the Law. He broke the Law. He never made sacrifices. Worked on the so called Sabbath. Set free a woman, guilty of a crime by the Jews Law. Taught his disciples the same. If you follow any of the Law you must follow all the Law. Do you pay tithe? Do you make sacrifice? If so you are bound by all of the Law. TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 22 2009,02:39) Con: Jesus did not come to stay/lodge in the Law but to fulfill/complete the Law. He only spoke of the Law to the Jews. The others were taught of the Kingdom of God. Jesus said, “the Law and the Prophets were until John the Baptist, since then, the Kingdom of God is preached. That was the end of the Law for those who believe Jesus. Jesus didn't even follow the Law. He broke the Law. He never made sacrifices. Worked on the so called Sabbath. Set free a woman, guilty of a crime by the Jews Law. Taught his disciples the same. If you follow any of the Law you must follow all the Law. Do you pay tithe? Do you make sacrifice? If so you are bound by all of the Law. TK
Jesus did not break the law.Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 22 2009,02:39) Con: Jesus did not come to stay/lodge in the Law but to fulfill/complete the Law. He only spoke of the Law to the Jews. The others were taught of the Kingdom of God. Jesus said, “the Law and the Prophets were until John the Baptist, since then, the Kingdom of God is preached. That was the end of the Law for those who believe Jesus. Jesus didn't even follow the Law. He broke the Law. He never made sacrifices. Worked on the so called Sabbath. Set free a woman, guilty of a crime by the Jews Law. Taught his disciples the same. If you follow any of the Law you must follow all the Law. Do you pay tithe? Do you make sacrifice? If so you are bound by all of the Law. TK
He did not commit sinful (transgressions) acts that required sacrifice.He didnt set the woman free, in fact he told the others , those without sin to cast the first stone. He just told to go and sin no more.
He did good works on the Sabbath (healing the sick), he didn't do menial work (proffessional).
Con: Come on man, He didn't set the woman free…He just told her to go and sin no more. THATS NOT SETING HER FREE?
If what she did was a sin against God she didn't even ask to be forgiven. (note:conjunctions were per translators. “go in sin no more” is more accurate. She believed she was in sin. She was not! But if she continued to believe she was in sin she would separate herself from God believing her own illusion of separation. You can't be separate from God in Truth.
The Law didn't say good works or bad works, it said no works on the Sabbath Day!
You seem to know about sin. What is a sin? Is it breaking the Law of Moses? Is it doing something bad? Like what? Is there a list to follow? Can anything you do separate you from God? Is God everywhere? Where would he go? If the only way to be separated from God is to believe you are separated from God then don't believe in sin anymore. This truth is how Jesus took away our sin forever.
He didn't take away our works, good or bad! Believe your oneness with God and so it is!! Bless you, TKQuote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 22 2009,03:35) Con: Come on man, He didn't set the woman free…He just told her to go and sin no more. THATS NOT SETING HER FREE?
If what she did was a sin against God she didn't even ask to be forgiven. (note:conjunctions were per translators. “go in sin no more” is more accurate. She believed she was in sin. She was not! But if she continued to believe she was in sin she would separate herself from God believing her own illusion of separation. You can't be separate from God in Truth.
The Law didn't say good works or bad works, it said no works on the Sabbath Day!
You seem to know about sin. What is a sin? Is it breaking the Law of Moses? Is it doing something bad? Like what? Is there a list to follow? Can anything you do separate you from God? Is God everywhere? Where would he go? If the only way to be separated from God is to believe you are separated from God then don't believe in sin anymore. This truth is how Jesus took away our sin forever.
He didn't take away our works, good or bad! Believe your oneness with God and so it is!! Bless you, TK
The Gospel According to John
Commentary by DAVID BROWN
CHAPTER 8
Jhn 8:1-11 . THE WOMAN TAKEN IN ADULTERY.1, 2. Jesus went unto the Mount of Olives–This should have formed the last verse of the foregoing chapter. “The return of the people to the inert quiet and security of their dwellings ( Jhn 7:53 ), at the close of the feast, is designedly contrasted with our Lord's homeless way, so to speak, of spending the short night, who is early in the morning on the scene again. One cannot well see why what is recorded in Luk 21:37, 38 may not even thus early have taken place; it might have been the Lord's ordinary custom from the beginning to leave the brilliant misery of the city every night, that so He might compose His sorrowful and interceding heart, and collect His energies for new labors of love; preferring for His resting-place Bethany, and the Mount of Olives, the scene thus consecrated by many preparatory prayers for His final humiliation and exaltation” [STIER].
3-6. scribes and Pharisees–foiled in their yesterday's attempt, and hoping to succeed better in this.
4, 5. woman . . . in adultery . . . Moses . . . commanded . . . should be stoned–simply put to death ( Deu 22:22 ), but in aggravated cases, at least in later times, this was probably by stoning ( Eze 16:40 ).
but what sayest thou–hoping, whatever He might answer, to put Him in the wrong:–if He said, Stone her, that would seem a stepping out of His province; if He forbade it, that would hold Him up as a relaxer of the public morals. But these cunning hypocrites were overmatched.6. stooped down–It will be observed He was sitting when they came to Him.
with his finger wrote on the ground–The words of our translators in italics (“as though He heard them not”) have hardly improved the sense, for it is scarcely probable He could wish that to be thought. Rather He wished to show them His aversion to enter on the subject. But as this did not suit them, they “continue asking Him,” pressing for an answer. At last, raising Himself He said.7. He that is without sin–not meaning sinless altogether; nor yet, guiltless of a literal breach of the Seventh Commandment; but probably, he whose conscience acquits him of any such sin.
cast a stone–“the stone,” meaning the first one ( Deu 17:7 ).8. again he stooped down and wrote–The design of this second stooping and writing on the ground was evidently to give her accusers an opportunity to slink away unobserved by Him, and so avoid an exposure to His eye which they could ill have stood. Accordingly it is added.
9. they . . . convicted . . . went out one by one . . . Jesus was left alone–that is, without one of her accusers remaining; for it is added.
the woman in the midst–that is, of the remaining audience. While the trap failed to catch Him for whom it was laid, it caught those who laid it. Stunned by the unexpected home thrust, they immediately made off–which makes the impudence of those impure hypocrites in dragging such a case before the public eye the more disgusting.10. Woman, &c.–What inimitable tenderness and grace! Conscious of her own guilt, and till now in the hands of men who had talked of stoning her, wondering at the skill with which her accusers had been dispersed, and the grace of the few words addressed to herself, she would be disposed to listen, with a reverence and teachableness before unknown, to our Lord's admonition. “And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more.” He pronounces no pardon upon the woman (such as, “Thy sins are forgiven thee” [compare Luk 5:28 7:48 ] –“Go in peace” [compare Mar 5:34 Luk 7:50 8:48 ]), much less does He say that she had done nothing condemnable; He simply leaves the matter where it was. He meddles not with the magistrate's office, nor acts the Judge in any sense ( Jhn 12:47 ). But in saying, “Go and sin no more,” which had been before said to one who undoubtedly believed ( Jhn 5:14 ), more is probably implied than expressed. If brought suddenly to conviction of sin, admiration of her Deliverer, and a willingness to be admonished and guided by Him, this call to begin a new life may have carried with it what would ensure and naturally bring about a permanent change. (This whole narrative is wanting in some of the earliest and most valuable manuscripts, and those which have it vary to some extent. The internal evidence in its favor is almost overpowering. It is easy to account for its omission, though genuine; but if not so, it is next to impossible to account for its insertion).
Con: If that satisfies you, then it satisfies me. Everyone has a choice of what to think and believe. TK
con/you just reading wath someone els thouth, can you aquire that knowledge for you self and then stated as your own ,there are so many books out there and not one surpasses the scriptures.
now you answer regarding the adultrious women by quoting DAVID BROWN said wath it is not ,could you find a page were he talk s abode wath it is ,as for Christ breaking the law I agree with you he never took a rong step,he apply the law based on the first commendement and the understanding of the other nine.Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 22 2009,22:35) Con: Come on man, He didn't set the woman free…He just told her to go and sin no more. THATS NOT SETING HER FREE?
If what she did was a sin against God she didn't even ask to be forgiven. (note:conjunctions were per translators. “go in sin no more” is more accurate. She believed she was in sin. She was not! But if she continued to believe she was in sin she would separate herself from God believing her own illusion of separation. You can't be separate from God in Truth.
The Law didn't say good works or bad works, it said no works on the Sabbath Day!
You seem to know about sin. What is a sin? Is it breaking the Law of Moses? Is it doing something bad? Like what? Is there a list to follow? Can anything you do separate you from God? Is God everywhere? Where would he go? If the only way to be separated from God is to believe you are separated from God then don't believe in sin anymore. This truth is how Jesus took away our sin forever.
He didn't take away our works, good or bad! Believe your oneness with God and so it is!! Bless you, TK
Even though we are not under the old covenant, that does not mean, we are without any law. We are under the New Covenant in
Luke 22:20 …” This cup is the new covenant in My Blood, which is shed for you.”
It doesn't make sense to me, that Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount, magnified the Law, and later did away with it.
He gave us a new Commandment in
Math. 22:338-40
” Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?
verse 37 Jesus said to him:” You shall love the LORD God with all thy Heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.”
verse 38 “This is the first and great commandment.
verse 39 And the second is like it:” You shall love your neighbor as yourself,”
verse 40 “On these commandment hangs all of the Law.”
What is not for us is the Sabbath, that was a sign between God and Israel. Exodus 31:16-17
Also John tells us, if we think that we don't sin the truth is not in us.
Jesus is our Mediator between us and God, that if we sin we can go through Him to the Throne of God and ask Him for the forgiveness of our sins. There is no other Sacrifice needed, Jesus is our perfect Sacrifice.
Peace and Love Irenehi con
you said jesus preached judaism could you explain to me how Jesus could teach something who came to live only in 1485 to 95,you should look up in a dictionary the origin of judaism ,and not be so quick to anwser ,because this is spreading lies.Quote (Tim Kraft @ Oct. 22 2009,02:39) Con: Jesus did not come to stay/lodge in the Law but to fulfill/complete the Law. He only spoke of the Law to the Jews. The others were taught of the Kingdom of God. Jesus said, “the Law and the Prophets were until John the Baptist, since then, the Kingdom of God is preached. That was the end of the Law for those who believe Jesus. Jesus didn't even follow the Law. He broke the Law. He never made sacrifices. Worked on the so called Sabbath. Set free a woman, guilty of a crime by the Jews Law. Taught his disciples the same. If you follow any of the Law you must follow all the Law. Do you pay tithe? Do you make sacrifice? If so you are bound by all of the Law. TK
Also Jesus ONLY taught to the Jews, he taught NO ONE else.Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 07 2009,19:56) hi con
you said jesus preached judaism could you explain to me how Jesus could teach something who came to live only in 1485 to 95,you should look up in a dictionary the origin of judaism ,and not be so quick to anwser ,because this is spreading lies.Quote Matt. 10:5 “Go not into the way of the Gentiles” Matt. 15:24 “I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel”
John 4:22 “Salvation is of the Jews”
Matt. 10:5 refers to a specific mission, the sending forth of the seventy, and says nothing that can be construed as a permanent, all-time, everybody directive against Gentile evangelization.
Matt. 15:24 This verse is spoken by Jesus and refers to the mission Jesus had while on earth, which was primarily to the Jews. It says nothing about a permanent directive, and indeed is not said to disciples at all.
The John 4:22 verse isn't even relevant. It is talking about the origin of salvation through the Jews, not about evangelization.
Jesus came to preach the gospel. The Jews were given privilege to receive it first and this was Jesus’ initial mission (cf. e.g., Rom 1:16).
Matthew 10:5-10 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. As you go, preach this message: 'The kingdom of heaven is near.' Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; 10take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff; for the worker is worth his keep.
Gentile – One who is not of the Jewish faith or is of a non-Jewish nation.
Quote To the Jew first, and also to the Gentile. Freely you have received, freely give.
Hunters for humility.
Matthew 10:5-7
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 07 2009,20:40) Hi CON,
Jesus in the Apostles taught Jew and gentile and that Spirit still teaches all men.
Correct but Jesus the Messiah taught ONLY to the Jews while he lived and breathed. It was NOT until AFTER his death that the Message/Teachings was given to the Gentiles through the Apostles.Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 08 2009,09:56) hi con
you said jesus preached judaism could you explain to me how Jesus could teach something who came to live only in 1485 to 95,you should look up in a dictionary the origin of judaism ,and not be so quick to anwser ,because this is spreading lies.
I am confused as I have checked an encyclopedia which covers the subject better than a dictionary. Judaism has been around thousands of years though the “term” Judaism is first known to be used in the 16th Century.
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