John 8:1-11

[dirtyknections]

John 8

1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Just read this passage in the bible. A thought I've never had before came to mind after I finished. Jesus said who ever was without sin to cast the first stone correct? Well who was the ONE person without sin in the narrative: Jesus. Yet he did not step forward to cast a stone. I know you are going to say, “Well, thats because he did not condemn her”. And thats true.

But could it be that the reason the scripture is left out of so many early manuscripts AND so hotly debated amongst scholars is because it seems to suggest that Jesus was a sinner. I.e. partially why he did not step forward?

[terraricca]

Quote (dirtyknections @ Dec. 31 2010,22:38)

John 8 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.   2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.   But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.   9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”   11 “No one, sir,” she said.   “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” Just read this passage in the bible. A thought I've never had before came to mind after I finished. Jesus said who ever was without sin to cast the first stone correct? Well who was the ONE person without sin in the narrative: Jesus. Yet he did not step forward to cast a stone.  I know you are going to say, “Well, thats because he did not condemn her”. And thats true. But could it be that the reason the scripture is left out of so many early manuscripts AND so hotly debated amongst scholars is because it seems to suggest that Jesus was a sinner. I.e. partially why he did not step forward?

I di

you should read it again because you still missing parts,

Pierre

[dirtyknections]

Hi Terr,

No need…I am not suggesting that Jesus was a sinner…I am suggesting that since you could possibly read that into the text..then maybe that is one of the reasons it was omitted from certain manuscripts…what do you think?

[terraricca]

Quote (dirtyknections @ Jan. 01 2011,06:26)

Hi Terr, No need…I am not suggesting that Jesus was a sinner…I am suggesting that since you could possibly read that into the text..then maybe that is one of the reasons it was omitted from certain manuscripts…what do you think?

hi Dir

I was looking at the law were God says that obedience is better than sacrifices,

and have mercy, Jesus purpose was met when he told the women go and do not start again,

it is easy to kill someone else provided you get away with it ,but wen Jesus said THE ONES WHO HAVE NO SINS TROW FIRST, this was not the same matter,there inside must have melt so weak they drop the stone

this is what Jesus preached all along who are you you who judge comit the samethings,

because who are you who judge the slave of a other master

it is God who will judge and there is no way out .

Pierre

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Quote (dirtyknections @ Dec. 31 2010,23:26)

Hi Terr, No need…I am not suggesting that Jesus was a sinner…I am suggesting that since you could possibly read that into the text..then maybe that is one of the reasons it was omitted from certain manuscripts…what do you think?

Hi dk.
As I have stated before in this website, I very much respect the Concordant Version of scripture. I copied an explanation by them of why this passage is not always included, I will copy it here for those interested…

John 7:53-8:11. As this passage is not contained in any of the three manuscripts on which the Concordant Version is based, it was not included in our Greek text. Two leaves of Alexandrinus are lost at this point, but a careful calculation of the number of lines shows that the lost leaves did not contain this story. Besides, the evidence of ancient versions and other manuscripts is so much against its retention in the text that no editor gives it a place, unless within brackets.
Nevertheless, the story is so fully In harmony with the grace of Christ that we question whether it could have any other source. Hence we are constrained to class it among the many things which He did of which there is no inspired record.

Hope this is of interest to you.

God Bless, Jerry.

[kerwin]

DK,

It is plausible that men chose to leave it out for the reason you state as they might have considered it something added by corrupt man. I cannot say.

[Baker]

Quote (dirtyknections @ Dec. 31 2010,15:38)

But could it be that the reason the scripture is left out of so many early manuscripts AND so hotly debated amongst scholars is because it seems to suggest that Jesus was a sinner. I.e. partially why he did not step forward?

To make a suggestion like that show you have very little understanding why Jesus came to die. He came to save sinners, had he been a sinner himself that would have never been possible.

Georg

[dirtyknections]

Hi Georg,

Please read my other post in this thread thanks

[kerwin]

DK,

I do not think they will understand what you have stated.   They may not know, or if knowing acknowledge, that scripture is not in the earliest manuscripts of John.   They thus attribute the interpretation you speculate others may have made to you.  That does not seem that uncommon for those walking according to the human nature to do.

That some may do what you speculate and misinterpret scripture would not surprise me as many are either ignorant or corrupt. That they may act on that misinterpretation seems to be a reasonable possibility.  

The bottom line though is we do not know why it is missing from the early manuscripts,

[Baker]

Quote (dirtyknections @ Dec. 31 2010,15:38)

John 8 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.   2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.   But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.   9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”   11 “No one, sir,” she said.   “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” Just read this passage in the bible. A thought I've never had before came to mind after I finished. Jesus said who ever was without sin to cast the first stone correct? Well who was the ONE person without sin in the narrative: Jesus. Yet he did not step forward to cast a stone.  I know you are going to say, “Well, thats because he did not condemn her”. And thats true. But could it be that the reason the scripture is left out of so many early manuscripts AND so hotly debated amongst scholars is because it seems to suggest that Jesus was a sinner. I.e. partially why he did not step forward?

Well, here is a better question; could God have sinned? maybe that part was left out too.

Georg

[terraricca]

Quote (dirtyknections @ Jan. 01 2011,19:54)

Hi Georg, Please read my other post in this thread thanks

DK

is that the only possible excuse for saying something against the word of God ??

i don't think so;

any story can be torn down and twisted so to make it say what ever is in the wicket mind,

see for example you ;you see ;Christ could be an sinner,

how come others do not see it that way,simple your MOTIVE

inside you that s your hearth,

Pierre

[kerwin]

To All,

The story about the adulteress brought before Jesus for judgment is not in early scripture manuscripts that God has made available to be studied. D.K. is merely speculating why it was left out of those Scriptures.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 03 2011,19:49)

To All, The story about the adulteress brought before Jesus for judgment is not in early scripture manuscripts that God has made available to be studied.  D.K. is merely speculating why it was left out of those Scriptures.

Kerwin

anyone who has study the bible would or should know that,

compere the Masoretic MS and the LXX and KJV,and others

there are more scriptures added or removed depend on the one you use.

Pierre

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