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  • #231749
    terraricca
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    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 05 2011,00:58)
    Pierre,

    The lesson of scripture is to properly understand the word of God.  That is why having it written in a language you can understand fluently is important.  Human languages are often dependant on the context of unspoken words that the writer and his audience are aware of.  In the case of scripture the audience is those that became Christians in the First Century and the culture that revolved around God they held in common.  Philo gives us some insight into that culture that can prevent us from misunderstanding the intent of scripture.  Since he is most likely from a sect that is different than the one Jesus and his disciples were members of it is quite obvious any tenet he advocates may be unscriptural.  That is why we test the spirit of each of his tenets by scripture.  Still his writings can aid us to properly understand scripture.


    Kerwin

    you do not need others to tell you what is in someone else book ,

    if you do then you expose yourself to follow that very concept of that person.

    the best way is to read it for yourself and understand it ,if it does not work the first time ,do it again ,and again until you kerwin have understand it ,not trough men ,but trough the spirit of the one who has written it GOD

    Pierre

    #232007
    kerwin
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    Pierre,

    I am not using someone else to what is in scripture.  I am using a Jew of the same time to understand things as a Jew would.  I also will use a Gentile of the same time to understand things as a Gentile would.  The advantage of Philo of Alexander is that he is a Jew explaining the Jewish point of view to Gentiles and so I get a look at a Rosetta stone that includes both cultures of that time.  The disadvantage is that he is a heretic.  The later can be addressed by testing the spirit of his words.

    Do you not know that in two places of scripture Paul quotes from the writings of those that are not in scripture.  One of these is in his teaching to the philosophers in Athens, Acts 17:28, and the other is in his letter to Titus, Titus 1:12.  He quotes these two non-scriptural sources because what they state is true and applies to what Paul is teaching at the time.

    Paul also speaks of the need to understand the word of God in 1 Corinthians 14:6-12 and it is for that purpose I use the writings of Philo and others even though they are not part of scripture.   So if I have a revelation that I gain from testing the words of others or from looking at scripture according to the point of view of those present at the time it was written or as close to that as I can get then I will share it even as was said to be done in 1 Corinthians 14:26.  I expect to do likewise.

    I agree that God must lead you to the true understanding of his word and that may come in many different ways for wisdom speaks from places you do not expect but foolishness abounds.

    References:

    Acts 17:28(NIV) reads:

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    ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’

    Titus 1:12-13(NIV) reads:

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    One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.” This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith

    1 Corinthians 14:6-12(NIV) reads:

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    Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me. So it is with you. Since you are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel in those that build up the church.

    1 Corinthians 14:26(NIV) reads:

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    What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up.

    #232027
    terraricca
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    Kerwin

    why is it that people always go try to find something elsewhere and not in scriptures,??

    if you love God you should be jealous of his word ,and so only use his Words to be filled with.

    Pierre

    #232050
    Baker
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    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2011,23:00)
    Kerwin

    why is it that people always go try to find something elsewhere and not in scriptures,??

    if you love God you should be jealous of his word ,and so only use his Words to be filled with.

    Pierre


    Pierre

    Are you listening to what you're saying?

    Georg

    #232163
    kerwin
    Participant

    Pierre,

    A wise person goes anywhere the word of God can be found which is why it is written:

    Proverbs 1:20-21(NIV) reads:

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    Out in the open wisdom calls aloud,
      she raises her voice in the public square;
    on top of the wall she cries out,
      at the city gate she makes her speech:

    None of the places mentioned are scripture though all are mentioned in scripture.  Our God is a living and active God and is still speaking to us this day though it seems we grow hard or hearing and perhaps totally deaf.

    #232169
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Baker @ Jan. 06 2011,11:14)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2011,23:00)
    Kerwin

    why is it that people always go try to find something elsewhere and not in scriptures,??

    if you love God you should be jealous of his word ,and so only use his Words to be filled with.

    Pierre


    Pierre

    Are you listening to what you're saying?

    Georg


    Georg

    yes, this is what i believe true believers should do,

    only when you are equipped with God s words and Christ spirit you can stand ,the floods,the storms,earth quakes,ect

    there is a saying 'all things that shine is not gold;;

    but the word of God is pure gold.

    Pierre

    #232170
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 07 2011,04:02)
    Pierre,

    A wise person goes anywhere the word of God can be found which is why it is written:

    Proverbs 1:20-21(NIV) reads:

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    Out in the open wisdom calls aloud,
      she raises her voice in the public square;
    on top of the wall she cries out,
      at the city gate she makes her speech:

    None of the places mentioned are scripture though all are mentioned in scripture.  Our God is a living and active God and is still speaking to us this day though it seems we grow hard or hearing and perhaps totally deaf.


    Kerwin

    you still do not understand scriptures,like you say you are blind and near deaf,

    Pr 1:20 Wisdom calls aloud in the street,
    she raises her voice in the public squares;
    Pr 1:21 at the head of the noisy streets she cries out,
    in the gateways of the city she makes her speech:

    Pr 1:22 “How long will you simple ones love your simple ways?
    How long will mockers delight in mockery
    and fools hate knowledge?

    this is seen and accomplished with the coming of Christ,

    Ac 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”

    but you have not understand this ,because to you the scriptures are still not the word of God ans still have to obtain your approval.

    Pierre

    #232273
    Baker
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    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 06 2011,22:57)

    Quote (Baker @ Jan. 06 2011,11:14)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2011,23:00)
    Kerwin

    why is it that people always go try to find something elsewhere and not in scriptures,??

    if you love God you should be jealous of his word ,and so only use his Words to be filled with.

    Pierre


    Pierre

    Are you listening to what you're saying?

    Georg


    Georg

    yes, this is what i believe true believers should do,

    only when you are equipped with God s words and Christ spirit  you can stand ,the floods,the storms,earth quakes,ect

    there is a saying 'all things that shine is not gold;;

    but the word of God is pure gold.

    Pierre


    Pierre

    Remember this when, or if, we continue our PM conversation.

    Georg

    #232298
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Baker @ Jan. 07 2011,23:19)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 06 2011,22:57)

    Quote (Baker @ Jan. 06 2011,11:14)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 05 2011,23:00)
    Kerwin

    why is it that people always go try to find something elsewhere and not in scriptures,??

    if you love God you should be jealous of his word ,and so only use his Words to be filled with.

    Pierre


    Pierre

    Are you listening to what you're saying?

    Georg


    Georg

    yes, this is what i believe true believers should do,

    only when you are equipped with God s words and Christ spirit  you can stand ,the floods,the storms,earth quakes,ect

    there is a saying 'all things that shine is not gold;;

    but the word of God is pure gold.

    Pierre


    Pierre

    Remember this when, or if, we continue our PM conversation.

    Georg


    georg

    :) :) :D

    #233356
    barley
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 21 2010,18:00)
    To All,
    This is an interpretation of John 1:1-18 based on the New International Version of Scripture I would like to hear tested according to godly principles.

    In the following interpretation Emanuel = God with us.

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    1 In the beginning was the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of God was with God, and the Spirit of God was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was God of all mankind. 5 Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

    6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning the Emanuel, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the Emanuel; he came only as a witness to the Emanuel. 9 The true Emanuel that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

    14 The Spirit of God married flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his (The Spirit of God married to flesh’s) glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.  15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) 16 Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ (The Spirit of God married to flesh). 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

    Related scriptures are Isaiah 40, Isaiah 42:1-17, and Genesis 28:10-22.

    Kerwin,

    Commendable.  You're thinking and you are pulling germane scriptures together.  Maybe the following will illustrate why I believe you are.

    As knowledgeable and thinking believers recognize, Jesus Christ is not God, but rather the son of God.

    Scripture, in its original God breathed form, is a perfect and perfectly complete document for all of God's intended purposes.

    Each book of the scriptures has a central theme.

    The central subject of the entire scriptures is Jesus Christ, the son of God, the son of man, who is man's redeemer.

    What for instance is the purpose of the book of John?

    John 20:31 tells us why the book of John was written.

    But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

    Christ means “anointed”

    Who anointed Jesus Christ?

    Who, Biblically speaking, gets anointed?

    Kings and priests get anointed.    

    But also believers, I John 2:27, get anointed.

    26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
    27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
    28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
    29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

    in the context, we do not need those who seduce us, to teach us God's written word.  Why not?  We have plenty of believers around us who are anointed, just as we are, that we can learn from.

    The greatness of what we can know about God and his son is found in the written word.  Not in the fables of those who would seduce us into falsehoods and idolatry.

    Who anointed Jesus?

    Acts 10:38  

    38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

    God anointed Jesus.  Why is Jesus called simply Jesus in this verse and not Jesus Christ?

    Christ means anointed.  God anointed Jesus, until God anointed Jesus, Jesus was not anointed.

    With what did God anoint Jesus with?

    pneuma hagion and with power.

    Thus, Jesus Christ did not have either pneuma hagion or power until God anointed him with it.

    Moses ordained Joshua and the spirit of wisdom was imparted to Joshua

    Deuteronomy 34:9

    9 And Joshua the son of Nun was full of the spirit of wisdom; for Moses had laid his hands upon him: and the children of Israel hearkened unto him, and did as the LORD commanded Moses.

    Elisha requested of Elijah that a double portion of the spirit that was upon Elijah be given to himself.

    II Kings 2:9

    9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.

    God is spirit,,   John 4:24

    24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    I Thessalonians 5:23

    23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Isaiah 43:7

    7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

    Believers are three part beings.

    Body and soul and spirit.

    One part was formed, one part was made, one part, the only part that is creditted with being able to glorify God, was created.

    The body was formed of the dust of the ground.  Genesis 2:7

    7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    And God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. Ie, soul.

    Soul was made to impart life to a body.  Until the breath of life is imparted, the body was not a living soul.

    What part was created?

    What part was created in the image of God?

    What is the image of God?

    John 4:24

    24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    God created spirit for man and woman so that God and man could be “on the same page”.

    Jesus Christ spoke of this.  Flesh profits nothing, it is spirit that gives life.  Ie,  communication with God, the source of life.

    Moses, Joshua needed spirit upon them in order to communicate with God.

    Adam and Eve died on the very day that the disobeyed God.

    What died?

    The profitable part, the spirit, the image of God, that God had created for them.  

    No longer were they able to be on the same page with God.

    They blew it, big time.

    In our day and age, spirit is a gift from God.

    Acts 2:4

    4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    Acts 11:16-18

    16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be bapti
    zed with the Holy Ghost.
    17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
    18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

    Note especially, verse 17, “…God gave them the like gift…”

    God is the Holy Spirit.  God is holy.  God is spirit

    I Peter 1:16

    16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

    And again John 4:24

    24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    God is the Holy Spirit.

    God imparts spirit, his very nature, to those who believe.

    Romans 10:9-10

    9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

    II Peter 1:3-4

    3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
    4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

    How are we going to be partakers of God's divine nature, if we do not have some divine nature to utilize in our lives?

    I Peter 1:23

    23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    I John 3:1-3

    1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
    2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
    3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

    We are sons of God, by seed, spiritual seed.

    Incorruptible seed.

    Ephesians 1:3-4

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
    4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    Is being born again of incorruptible seed, spirit, spiritual seed a spiritual blessing?  Yes,  it made us partakers of the divine nature, it made us sons of God.

    It is the spiritual seed in us that makes us literally sons of God.

    Why then the word adoption in verse 5?

    5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    One reason,  our body and soul was there because of our earthly parents, our father and mother is the reason for our body and soul.  God adopted that part.  But his seed in us, the spiritual part is the part that makes us sons of God.

    Another reason,  adoption in the culture of the times, gave rights to an adopted son that actually exceeded the rights of a biological son.  Adopted sons can not be disinherited.

    God has like wise given us rights.  

    We are made righteous, we are justified and have peace with God, we are ministers of reconciliation, we are sanctified and redeemed.

    Those rights can, in no way be taken away from us.
    It is the spirit part of man that A and E lost, that allows us to glorify God.

    Ephesians 2:8-10

    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    Gift of holy spirit from God,  
    Gift of salvation from God.
    Partakers of his divine nature?

    Are we seeing a pattern?

    What works were we before ordained to do?

    John 14:12

    12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

    Wow, we have got a lot to learn if we are going to know how to do that.

    Good thing there is a lot of scripture that we did not cover, that instructs us about that.

    John 14:12 is not something we can “leap of faith” into.

    Where is “leap of faith” found in scriptures?

    Walk in love, walk in light, walk circumspectly is found in Ephesians 5,  but not “leap of faith”

    Learning to do the works of Jesus Christ is a walk, not a plunge.

    The first Adam lost it for us,  the second Adam, Jesus Christ, regained it for us.

    Romans 5:15

    15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

    Again, free gift.

    Romans 5:17

    17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

    Did Jesus Christ reign in life?

    So can we.

    God's free gift of spirit, of salvation and the instructions in the written word of God, the logos of God is our means to learn to do so.

    How do we know all of this?

    Because it is written.

    Because someone, many someone's took the time to teach me this,  and much much more.

    God's plan, his message, his logos, was with God in the beginning.  What we have now as the written logos of God, was in God's foreknowledge in the beginning.

    Your personal Bible was not with God in the beginning, but God already knew what would be written. God already knew what words, rhema, would communicate the logos, the thoughts behind the words used.

    His logos is the heart of God to us.

    God's love and foreknowledge is why the logos was with God and is God in the beginning.

    God knew Adam and Eve would sin and lose their spiritual connection with life.  God

    God announced his plan to fix that way back in Genesis 3:15

    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    I believe that this short exposition of the heart behind John 1:1 will help your understanding of what that verse is communicating.

    Kerwin,

    Ephesians 1:3-4

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
    4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    Thank you, Kerwin, for expressing your thoughts.

    barley

    #233613
    kerwin
    Participant

    Barley,

    Thank you for what you have written. I plan to take some time to think on it.

    #233982
    barley
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 18 2011,20:27)
    Barley,

    Thank you for what you have written.  I plan to take some time to think on it.


    Kerwin,

    You are welcome.

    barley

    #234008
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 07 2011,04:02)
    Pierre,

    A wise person goes anywhere the word of God can be found which is why it is written:

    Proverbs 1:20-21(NIV) reads:

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    Out in the open wisdom calls aloud,
      she raises her voice in the public square;
    on top of the wall she cries out,
      at the city gate she makes her speech:

    None of the places mentioned are scripture though all are mentioned in scripture.  Our God is a living and active God and is still speaking to us this day though it seems we grow hard or hearing and perhaps totally deaf.


    Kerwin

    Ecc 12:9 Not only was the Teacher wise, but also he imparted knowledge to the people. He pondered and searched out and set in order many proverbs.
    Ecc 12:10 The Teacher searched to find just the right words, and what he wrote was upright and true.
    Ecc 12:11 The words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nails—given by one Shepherd.
    Ecc 12:12 Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them.
    Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body.
    Ecc 12:13 Now all has been heard;
    here is the conclusion of the matter:
    Fear God and keep his commandments,
    for this is the whole duty of man.

    THIS CONCLUTION IS THE ONLY TRUTH
    Pierre

    #234010
    terraricca
    Participant

    ALL

    The problem with the pharisees and sadducees ,doctors of the law,,they had lots of knowledge in there head but nothing in there hearths.

    they forgot to love there God.

    Pierre

    #234101
    Baker
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2011,15:28)
    ALL

    The problem with the pharisees and sadducees ,doctors of the law,,they had lots of knowledge in there head but nothing in there hearths.

    they forgot to love there God.

    Pierre


    Did not Paul tell us that understanding comes from God? Had the Pharisees understood as the apostles did, would they have crucified Jesus?

    Georg

    #234128
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Baker @ Jan. 22 2011,16:49)

    Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 21 2011,15:28)
    ALL

    The problem with the pharisees and sadducees ,doctors of the law,,they had lots of knowledge in there head but nothing in there hearths.

    they forgot to love there God.

    Pierre


    Did not Paul tell us that understanding comes from God? Had the Pharisees understood as the apostles did, would they have crucified Jesus?

    Georg


    georg

    not only Paul but other scriptures as well,

    my point was merely to KERWIN who try to full his brain with knowledge of scriptures what he learn from others ,just info.

    and yet do not listen to his hearth to what God can tell him trough his own lecture of the word of God,

    to my understanding of scriptures it is God s words that are living in you that make you work;but first you have to believe it and so let it enter in your hearth fully and trust it ,with your faith.

    if not trusted the word of God will do nothing,if not in your hearth the word will do nothing,if you do not have the two previous items you do not believe the word of God and so have nothing.

    Pierre

    #234146
    kerwin
    Participant

    Pierre,

    God commands us to love as he loves.

    He does not leave us alone but sends his Son to rescue us.

    Those who hunger and thirst for righteousness that is true and pure will be rescued.

    Those who do not will not.

    It is by receiving and living by the Spirit of God that we are rescued from this world.

    It is by faith we both receive and live by the Spirit.

    Jesus instructs us how to do that.

    That is what the wise say wheter they are the writers of scripture or not.

    Therefore strive to believe without doubt that you may use the good gifts that come from God to serve both our Father and our King.

    #234161
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 22 2011,22:12)
    Pierre,

    God commands us to love as he loves.

    He does not leave us alone but sends his Son to rescue us.

    Those who hunger and thirst for righteousness that is true and pure will be rescued.

    Those who do not will not.

    It is by receiving and living by the Spirit of God that we are rescued from this world.

    It is by faith we both receive and live by the Spirit.

    Jesus instructs us how to do that.

    That is what the wise say wheter they are the writers of scripture or not.

    Therefore strive to believe without doubt that you may use the good gifts that come from God to serve both our Father and our King.


    Kerwin

    what is the love of God that he want us to know and practice??

    all the thing you say will not come to pass unless you apply what i mention in the comment.

    you cannot comes to understanding of God without knowing his word,

    we know he make it rain upon all impartially and punish the same way,(not for the same reasons)

    but all that can only be understood by the knowledge of scriptures.

    it is impossible to have faith in someone you do not know.

    having heard of him is one thing to know him is another.(see Job)

    you cannot recieve any thing of the spirit unless you know God and Christ who he send.

    Pierre

    #234192
    kerwin
    Participant

    Pierre,

    If you love as God loves you will not sin.  That is the goal of each and every one of God's true people.

    As to as description of love this scripture does the job.

    1 Corinthians 13(NIV) reads:

    Quote

    4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

    8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

    #234210
    barley
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 18 2011,20:27)
    Barley,

    Thank you for what you have written.  I plan to take some time to think on it.


    Kerwin,

    Maybe some of the following will help sort some of this out.

    Logos is a word meaning,” a communication, or message, or the thoughts behind the words used”  

    Let us consider “the thoughts behind the words used”

    Ie,  words used, rhema,  the rhema, the actual words used are important, but what is the message, what is the intent of the message, what are we to learn?

    The words used could be French or English or Swahili, but is the message being communicated?

    “I will never, never leave thee, nor never, never, never forsake thee”

    “I will be with you always”

    The words used are very different, but the message, the thoughts behind the words used are the same.

    John 1:1

    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    God occupies all eternity.

    The past and the present and the future is all real to God.

    What God was thinking, is thinking and will be thinking is the same.

    “In the beginning was God's thoughts behind the words used,  and the God's thoughts behind the words used were with God and God's thoughts behind the words used was God.”

    that is a very easy concept to understand, especially if instead of God , we substitute your name for illustrative purposes.

    Kerwin has had thoughts from his beginning, and Kerwins thoughts were with Kerwin and Kerwin's thoughts were Kerwin.

    Kerwin communicates some of his thoughts once in while and but they are not just words to him, he takes action as well.  Not everything that Kerwin thinks does Kerwin communicate.  Some of Kerwin's thoughts he keeps to himself.  Some of his thoughts he holds back waiting for the right time to communicate them.  Waiting till someone comes along that he feels comfortable communicating them to.

    That is such a simple and straightforward concept it is almost unbelievable.

    Isaiah 55:8-9  

    8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
    9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

    Jeremiah 29:11

    11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

    God's thoughts were thoughts of love and goodness and compassion and mercy and light and gentleness and prosperity and health and joy to us always.

    God's thoughts to us have not changed.  These were His thoughts in the beginning. These thoughts were with God [always] and these thought were [and continue to be and will always be what God is all about]  God.

    What a God of love and grace!

    His gracious loving thoughts were communicated to us, mankind, through out the ages.   Ie,, Moses, Jeremiah, Hosea.

    But the communication of his thoughts to us was culminated in His son Jesus Christ.

    Jesus Christ made known God as only a son could communicate the Father.

    As we look at Jesus Christ's walk and talk in total, humble, freewill, loving obedience to the written word and to the author of that word, we clearly see the compassion, love, goodness and healing light of the Father.

    Kerwin,

    Your the best,

    barley

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