Job 2:7 Viewpoints of belief and unbelief

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    kerwin
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    Job 2:7
    King James Version (KJV)

    7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the Lord, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.

    A child accepts that Satan inflicted Job with sore boils even if he also knows that they are caused by viruses or bacteria infections.  Satan after all is the tempter and tempts viruses and bacteria as well as humans.

    Those who do not believe declare in their heart that since Satan does not exist he did not inflict Job with boils but rather Job came in contact with the virus or bacteria that caused them by chance.

    #324290
    terraricca
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    you still have mutch to learn

    may be you should read the book of Job like i did about 40 times

    #324361
    david
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    Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2012,14:15)
    you still have mutch to learn

    may be you should read the book of Job like i did about 40 times


    That's ok terrarica, it takes some longer. 40 times? Wow.

    #324366
    terraricca
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    Quote (david @ Dec. 14 2012,07:58)

    Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 13 2012,14:15)
    you still have mutch to learn

    may be you should read the book of Job like i did about 40 times


    That's ok terrarica, it takes some longer.  40 times?  Wow.


    david

    the Book of Job ,his to me the book that make you know God in a very profound way ,if you can understand all the things that are taking place ,it is one of the riches book with all others of cause ;

    but he needs more concentration to understand .this is why I had to read it so many times so that my questions were answered

    #324375
    kerwin
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    To all,

    Do you believe Satan struck Job with boils, a skin infection, or do you not?

    #324376
    david
    Participant

    What is a sin infection?

    #324378
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Pierre,
    You picked up some bad habits in reading Job, I believe. I was just thinking the other day that you sound a lot like Job's friends that falsely accused Job and needed forgiveness, ha. They thought they were so smart, but it turns out they were not.

    #324383
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Dec. 14 2012,11:29)
    What is a sin infection?


    David,

    “a skin infection” with a dropped “k' in this case.

    #324392
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 14 2012,11:41)
    Pierre,
    You picked up some bad habits in reading Job, I believe. I was just thinking the other day that you sound a lot like Job's friends that falsely accused Job and needed forgiveness, ha. They thought they were so smart, but it turns out they were not.


    k

    THIS IS WITHOUT SHOWING ME NOTHING OF WHAT i HAVE REALY SAID OR DONE RIGHT ???

    i START TO WANDER WHO ARE THE FREINDS OF JOB ???

    YOU SOUND LIKE ONE ,

    #324401
    Lightenup
    Participant

    Pierre, to see what you have done, just read the judgements that you make towards me in nearly every post that you make to me. The false judgements abound. What I said about thinking you were like Job's friend is completely true, btw. I read what you posted in the 'Eternal Sonship' thread on Tuesday morning and related you to Job's false accuser friends. I then read the first 24 chapters in one sitting.

    So when you read Job for the 41st time, realize that Job's friends are not the ones you are to emulate.

    #324419
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 14 2012,20:04)
    Pierre, to see what you have done, just read the judgements that you make towards me in nearly every post that you make to me. The false judgements abound. What I said about thinking you were like Job's friend is completely true, btw. I read what you posted in the 'Eternal Sonship' thread on Tuesday morning and related you to Job's false accuser friends. I then read the first 24 chapters in one sitting.

    So when you read Job for the 41st time, realize that Job's friends are not the ones you are to emulate.


    Kathi

    I only judge what I can read from any one ,and if you see that I have lied about refuting you on a comment you made please show me and will correct myself,

    false judgment show me ???

    now your comment about Job and his friends ;in my opinion sins you read it 24 chap in one shut ,you probably did not understand the spirit of those 24 chaps ; but then this is your way ,not mine ,
    you do not present me with any fruits of your reading ,

    #324496
    kerwin
    Participant

    To all,

    Do you agree that Satan striking Job with a skin infection is a model of things as they are?

    #324501
    Proclaimer
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    Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 13 2012,16:47)
    Job 2:7
    King James Version (KJV)

    7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the Lord, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.

    A child accepts that Satan inflicted Job with sore boils even if he also knows that they are caused by viruses or bacteria infections.  Satan after all is the tempter and tempts viruses and bacteria as well as humans.

    Those who do not believe declare in their heart that since Satan does not exist he did not inflict Job with boils but rather Job came in contact with the virus or bacteria that caused them by chance.


    I believe it is as it is written.

    Satan was able to do these things.

    Looks to me that he has access to the source code of creation
    and was able to hack and send or create a virus or other forms of sickness. But he still needed read/write/execute permissions to this part of creation.

    #324506
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ Dec. 16 2012,04:46)

    Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 13 2012,16:47)
    Job 2:7
    King James Version (KJV)

    7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the Lord, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.

    A child accepts that Satan inflicted Job with sore boils even if he also knows that they are caused by viruses or bacteria infections.  Satan after all is the tempter and tempts viruses and bacteria as well as humans.

    Those who do not believe declare in their heart that since Satan does not exist he did not inflict Job with boils but rather Job came in contact with the virus or bacteria that caused them by chance.


    I believe it is as it is written.

    Satan was able to do these things.

    Looks to me that he has access to the source code of creation
    and was able to hack and send or create a virus or other forms of sickness. But he still needed read/write/execute permissions to this part of creation.


    T8,

    A good way to put it thou I doubt if Satan actually created these things as much corrupting them by genetic modification. I for instance have a genetic form of kidney disease which results from a modification in the genes of my my family line. God did not do this since is only present because sin is in the world. God did suffer Satan to do it; just as he suffered Satan to strike Job with a skin disease.

    #324507
    942767
    Participant

    Hi:

    When God asked Satan where he had been, did he not respond that he had been going to and fro in the earth. He goes to and fro in the earth through evil men. The devil is a spirit.

    Satan is the tempter, and men who obey the evil that he tempts them with may be the bearer of many different diseases, and so, in this way, satan did cause Job to have the boils on his skin.

    He is the tempter of all of the evil that is in the world.

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    1Jo 2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

    Quote
    1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

    1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

    Polution of the air, our drinking water, chemicals that are used in producing our food, Harmones that are used to fatten animals for the slaughter, sexual disceases, and what else do you want.

    Do you get the picture?

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #324529
    kerwin
    Participant

    Marty,

    It is written:

    1 Corinthians 3:16
    King James Version (KJV)

    16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

    It seems reasonable that just as God dwells in saints though his Spirit, Satan also dwells in those that fall short of glory through his unclean spirit.

    So Satan tempts and he dwells in those that choose to give into that temptation via the spirit of the flesh.

    Satan exists as an outside force that desires the destruction of mankind and appeals to their evil desires to accomplish his plans.

    There are some that deny his existence but Scripture does not.

    The seven eyes of God go to and fro, just as Satan and the sons of God do, Zachariah 3:9, 4:10 and Revelations 5:6.

    #324811
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 14 2012,20:04)
    Pierre, to see what you have done, just read the judgements that you make towards me in nearly every post that you make to me. The false judgements abound. What I said about thinking you were like Job's friend is completely true, btw. I read what you posted in the 'Eternal Sonship' thread on Tuesday morning and related you to Job's false accuser friends. I then read the first 24 chapters in one sitting.

    So when you read Job for the 41st time, realize that Job's friends are not the ones you are to emulate.


    Kathy

    did you find out why the three friends were condemn and left to Job judgment ???

    #324812
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 16 2012,12:05)
    Marty,

    It is written:

    1 Corinthians 3:16
    King James Version (KJV)

    16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

    It seems reasonable that just as God dwells in saints though his Spirit, Satan also dwells in those that fall short of glory through his unclean spirit.

    So Satan tempts and he dwells in those that choose to give into that temptation via the spirit of the flesh.

    Satan exists as an outside force that desires the destruction of mankind and appeals to their evil desires to accomplish his plans.

    There are some that deny his existence but Scripture does not.

    The seven eyes of God go to and fro, just as Satan and the sons of God do, Zachariah 3:9, 4:10 and Revelations 5:6.


    k

    wen you say DWELL IN THEM what do you mean ???

    #324832
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 20 2012,07:08)

    Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 16 2012,12:05)
    Marty,

    It is written:

    1 Corinthians 3:16
    King James Version (KJV)

    16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

    It seems reasonable that just as God dwells in saints though his Spirit, Satan also dwells in those that fall short of glory through his unclean spirit.

    So Satan tempts and he dwells in those that choose to give into that temptation via the spirit of the flesh.

    Satan exists as an outside force that desires the destruction of mankind and appeals to their evil desires to accomplish his plans.

    There are some that deny his existence but Scripture does not.

    The seven eyes of God go to and fro, just as Satan and the sons of God do, Zachariah 3:9, 4:10 and Revelations 5:6.


    k

    wen you say DWELL IN THEM what do you mean ???


    T,

    I mean that a satan lives in a person through an evil spirit. If a man is bound to the spirit of sexual immorality then the demon(s) of that sexual immorality act and speak through that man just as God speaks and acts through those that live by the Holy Spirit.

    I am not supporting or disagreeing with the hypothesis that demons bodily dwell in demoniacs.

    #324841
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 20 2012,08:58)

    Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 20 2012,07:08)

    Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 16 2012,12:05)
    Marty,

    It is written:

    1 Corinthians 3:16
    King James Version (KJV)

    16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

    It seems reasonable that just as God dwells in saints though his Spirit, Satan also dwells in those that fall short of glory through his unclean spirit.

    So Satan tempts and he dwells in those that choose to give into that temptation via the spirit of the flesh.

    Satan exists as an outside force that desires the destruction of mankind and appeals to their evil desires to accomplish his plans.

    There are some that deny his existence but Scripture does not.

    The seven eyes of God go to and fro, just as Satan and the sons of God do, Zachariah 3:9, 4:10 and Revelations 5:6.


    k

    wen you say DWELL IN THEM what do you mean ???


    T,

    I mean that a satan lives in a person through an evil spirit.  If a man is bound to the spirit of sexual immorality then the demon(s) of that sexual immorality act and speak through that man just as God speaks and acts through those that live by the Holy Spirit.

    I am not supporting or disagreeing with the hypothesis that demons bodily dwell in demoniacs.


    K

    Quote
    I mean that a satan lives in a person through an evil spirit. If a man is bound to the spirit of sexual immorality then the demon(s) of that sexual immorality act and speak through that man just as God speaks and acts through those that live by the Holy Spirit.

    your comment his still confusing to me that is ;so you believe that a spiritual being goes in a person that has wicket mind or actions right ??? and the same with a person that does good as the holy spirit ,right ???

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