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Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2012,10:49) Wakeup; I know your words are descended from the words of the Gnostics and not those taught in Scripture. You have been indoctrinated in these false words and can only support them with misinterpreted Scripture. For example you state that two Witnesses are resuscitated when Scripture declares they will be killed by the beast; lie in the street on three days, just as their lord lay dead on three days; and received the Spirit of life, which declares them to be sons of God’ on the third day. Like their Lord, they ascend to up to heaven in a cloud while still in their bodies. Scripture sates they will be dead; and not apparently dead or unconscious as your words reveal you believe.
I assure you that no one is resurrected as a ghost; as you have been let to believe. A person is resurrected in a heavenly body that does not decay, suffer injury, or perish; except in hellfire.
It is the Spirit of God that gives life to our flesh though it is currently cursed. Genesis 6:3 teaches us that and in Genesis 3:19 we are taught the flesh was first cursed by God. Why don’t you believe the Spirit of God can give eternal life to the flesh that is not cursed?
Consider that the flesh that is not cursed; as well as the Spirit of God, that gives it life; is a good and perfect gift and such gifts are from above; just as James 1:17 teaches us.
Kerwin.You have not answered my question.
Is the alpha and o'mega made of glorified flesh; and the angels made of spirit??wakeup.
Wakeup;
There are many false teachers at the present times but it should be clear that the material world is created. God is not created and so has no material presence. His throne is in the highest heaven but the later cannot contain him. His presence is even known in the lowest Sheol. He is the Alpha and Omega and the First and the Last of the set of God as he is the only true God.
Jesus is the Son of humanity; which God created in a flesh body; and then declared to be very good. He was a ghost in Sheol; and as such bore a sort of spirit body. He was raised in the flesh and seen ascending to heaven in the same flesh. There is no witness account of him transforming to a spirit body. There is no teaching of spirit bodies in Scripture; beyond the so called ones of ghosts. I am therefore confident he is presently in a flesh body that is free of the curse of Adam. I also know that he is the Alpha and Omega and the First and the Last of the set of Son of God as he is the only true Son of God.
Angels, which are created, have material bodies capable of great feats by the power of God. These bodies are concealed from the eyes of men and revealed according to God’s will. There is no explicit evidence otherwise and much for.
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I not only do the work but often show that work to others. Are you having trouble believing that flesh is not flawed but only the righteous victim of the curse of God? Are you also having trouble understanding that life remains in that cursed flesh due only to the efforts of God's Spirit? These things are not hidden; but are plain to those with eyes to see.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2012,16:46) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2012,00:30) Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2012,05:07) Quote (kerwin @ June 19 2012,17:57) T; Don't you believe Jesus uses Scripture and other means to teach us as he is King of all things in heaven and on earth?
Kerwin.Yes, Jesus uses scriptures to rebuke satan when he was tempted.
Dont forget that scriptures are given to us by God through the Holy spirit; The word of God in print.Jesus is the word of God in the flesh, so we could behold the image of God,and the beauty in his teachings.
He must be born like any other human.
Born out of water and blood (flesh)for the sufferings and death.His father has now given him(this person) a new body,a glori fied body; THE LAST ADAM WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT.
Spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh: there is no such as glorified flesh; this is a new speech used to justify some wrong interpretation of prophesy.
Like the 1000yrs; man living in peace with no pain,no tears,no wars. Animals living in harmony with mankind.All in the flesh.
These are not men in a –glorified flesh– body; for they still die a 100yrs old,(there is corruption in the grave).(isiah ch.65).So that twist in scripture is not working,it only creates a web for one to get caught in.
Scriptures can not be misinterpreted without getting bogged down at the end.wakeup.
wakeupJn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.’”
Jn 3:4 “How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!”
Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
Jn 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’
Jn 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
Jn 3:9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
Jn 3:10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?
Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, 11-
Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.in those scriptures I quote does it mean that Christ has to be reborn
would he not be excluded of his own teachings did he not speak the words of his father,did he not say that they (Christ and the disciples)know???(we speak of what we know,verse 11)Now paid attention to what his said by Christ in verse 12,he spook to Nicodemus not as a personal being but as representing a group,(vrs;11but still you people do not accept our testimony. )
so He goes on in 12 to make a comparison between the earthly things and the things from heaven,and make the statement that he ,Christ Jesus HIS the only one that can teach those things for the only reason that he came down from there,,and point out how will they BELIEVE,
Heb 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
Heb 11:2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.SO you can see and understand that being born again does not mean being baptized in physical water but in THE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH THAT COMES OUT OF THE SON OF GOD,this is what Paul says in Hebrew 11;1-3,
Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
born again ;AS PER THE NEW KNOWLEDGE GIVEN BY GOD THROUGH HIS SON ,AND UNLESS WE ACCEPT THAT KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING IT ,WE CANNOT SEE OR ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD,
MT 13:10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
MT 13:13 “Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
MT 13:34 All these things Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, and He did not speak to them without a parable.
MT 13:35 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet:
“I WILL OPEN MY MOUTH IN PARABLES;
I WILL UTTER THINGS HIDDEN SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.”LK 8:10 And He said, “ To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that SEEING THEY MAY NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND.
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Terra.Christ is the light: he is born without sin,he is perfect in spirit.
But he also is flesh like all of us are.
He does not have to be reborn in spirit,for he is perfect in spirit.He became sin when he hanged on the cross; he took al the sins of the world,past and future.
He followed the father unto death,and his Father gave him his reward. He was born again and given a glorified body.
(born again in a new body,not born again as of a new mind.)Remember; he was not born again when he was teaching,for the spirit inside him is already perfect;no need to be reborn.
The first birth is of flesh:
The second birth is of the spirit.
born –AGAIN– MEANS BORN 2X. There is no born 3x.such as;
1. born out of the woman.
2. born of a new mind.
3. born as of the resurrection.wakeup.
wpQuote He became sin when he hanged on the cross; he took al the sins of the world,past and future. Christ never became sin ;;but he became LIKE an sinner ,but was innocent of guilt,
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Quote Christ is the light: he is born without sin,he is perfect in spirit.
But he also is flesh like all of us are.
He does not have to be reborn in spirit,for he is perfect in spirit.were did I say that Christ is or has to be reborn???
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Quote The first birth is of flesh: Christ never talk about the birth of the flesh ,like being baby and grow up ,
Quote The second birth is of the spirit. this birth his not a start from scratch ,but a new beginning into a new way that leads to true salvation
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