Jesus was caught up to heaven in flesh body

[kerwin]

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Quote (kerwin @ June 19 2012,17:57) T; Don't you believe Jesus uses Scripture and other means to teach us as he is King of all things in heaven and on earth? Kewin. Are you a pastor of some church? wakeup.

Wakeup;

I am not.

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ June 19 2012,17:57)

T; Don't you believe Jesus uses Scripture and other means to teach us as he is King of all things in heaven and on earth?

Kerwin.

Yes, Jesus uses scriptures to rebuke satan when he was tempted.
Dont forget that scriptures are given to us by God through the Holy spirit; The word of God in print.

Jesus is the word of God in the flesh, so we could behold the image of God,and the beauty in his teachings.
He must be born like any other human.
Born out of water and blood (flesh)for the sufferings and death.

His father has now given him(this person) a new body,a glori fied body; THE LAST ADAM WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT.

Spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh: there is no such as glorified flesh; this is a new speech used to justify some wrong interpretation of prophesy.

Like the 1000yrs; man living in peace with no pain,no tears,no wars. Animals living in harmony with mankind.All in the flesh.
These are not men in a –glorified flesh– body; for they still die a 100yrs old,(there is corruption in the grave).(isiah ch.65).

So that twist in scripture is not working,it only creates a web for one to get caught in.
Scriptures can not be misinterpreted without getting bogged down at the end.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2012,05:07)

Quote (kerwin @ June 19 2012,17:57) T; Don't you believe Jesus uses Scripture and other means to teach us as he is King of all things in heaven and on earth? Kerwin. Yes, Jesus uses scriptures to rebuke satan when he was tempted. Dont forget that scriptures are given to us by God through the Holy spirit; The word of God in print. Jesus is the word of God in the flesh, so we could behold the image of God,and the  beauty in his teachings. He must be born like any other human. Born out of water and blood (flesh)for the sufferings and death. His father has now given him(this person) a new body,a glori fied body; THE LAST ADAM WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT. Spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh: there is no such as glorified flesh; this is a new speech used to justify some wrong interpretation of prophesy. Like the 1000yrs; man living in peace with no pain,no tears,no wars. Animals living in harmony with mankind.All in the flesh. These are not men in a –glorified flesh– body; for they still die a 100yrs old,(there is corruption in the grave).(isiah ch.65). So that twist in scripture is not working,it only creates a web for one to get caught in. Scriptures can not be misinterpreted without getting bogged down at the end. wakeup.

wakeup

Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.’”
Jn 3:4 “How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!”
Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
Jn 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’
Jn 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
Jn 3:9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
Jn 3:10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?
Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, 11-
Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.

in those scriptures I quote does it mean that Christ has to be reborn would he not be excluded of his own teachings did he not speak the words of his father,did he not say that they (Christ and the disciples)know???(we speak of what we know,verse 11)

Now paid attention to what his said by Christ in verse 12,he spook to Nicodemus not as a personal being but as representing a group,(vrs;11but still you people do not accept our testimony. )

so He goes on in 12 to make a comparison between the earthly things and the things from heaven,and make the statement that he ,Christ Jesus HIS the only one that can teach those things for the only reason that he came down from there,,and point out how will they BELIEVE,

Heb 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
Heb 11:2 This is what the ancients were commended for.
Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

SO you can see and understand that being born again does not mean being baptized in physical water but in THE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH THAT COMES OUT OF THE SON OF GOD,this is what Paul says in Hebrew 11;1-3,

Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

born again ;AS PER THE NEW KNOWLEDGE GIVEN BY GOD THROUGH HIS SON ,AND UNLESS WE ACCEPT THAT KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING IT ,WE CANNOT SEE OR ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD,

MT 13:10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
MT 13:13 “Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
MT 13:34 All these things Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, and He did not speak to them without a parable.
MT 13:35 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet:
“I WILL OPEN MY MOUTH IN PARABLES;
I WILL UTTER THINGS HIDDEN SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.”

LK 8:10 And He said, “ To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that SEEING THEY MAY NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND.

lOVE YOU ALL

[NickHassan]

Hi WU
You say
“Born out of water and blood (flesh)for the sufferings and death.”

What does this mean?
Where is the harmony you boast of?

[kerwin]

Wakeup;

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Yes, Jesus uses scriptures to rebuke satan when he was tempted. Dont forget that scriptures are given to us by God through the Holy spirit; The word of God in print.

Yes, but we also know that Wisdom calls out from many other places as well; as our God is living and active.

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Jesus is the word of God in the flesh, so we could behold the image of God,and the  beauty in his teachings.

This I agree with provided you mean the Word is that which comes out of the mouth of God.

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He must be born like any other human. Born out of water and blood (flesh)for the sufferings and death.

Scripture declares he was conceived like John the Baptist; though not of a sire's will; but of the flesh of Mary, the daughter of David.

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His father has now given him(this person) a new body,a glori fied body; THE LAST ADAM WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT.

Genesis 2:7 speaks of two Adams that are later called in Scripture the outer man and the inner man.  The first was created from earth while the secound is the quickening breath of God.

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These are not men in a –glorified flesh– body; for they still die a 100yrs old,(there is corruption in the grave).(isiah ch.65).

That is not the way it was in the beginning as flesh was not subject to death until humanity ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and will not be once mankind eats of tree of life.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Yes there is no GLORIFIED FLESH.
Flesh glorifies flesh.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 22 2012,05:10)

Hi WU You say “Born out of water and blood (flesh)for the sufferings and death.”   What does this mean? Where is the harmony you boast of?

Nick.

The word of God was made flesh for the sufferings,for he came to bring the light then crucified.
Only flesh and blood can feel pain and can die.

What is it you dont understand?

I just knew it that someone will call me a boaster sometime.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Yes he was of flesh.
But he was also reborn of water and the Spirit

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2012,08:17)

Wakeup; Quote Yes, Jesus uses scriptures to rebuke satan when he was tempted. Dont forget that scriptures are given to us by God through the Holy spirit; The word of God in print. Yes, but we also know that Wisdom calls out from many other places as well; as our God is living and active. Quote Jesus is the word of God in the flesh, so we could behold the image of God,and the  beauty in his teachings. This I agree with provided you mean the Word is that which comes out of the mouth of God. Quote He must be born like any other human. Born out of water and blood (flesh)for the sufferings and death. Scripture declares he was conceived like John the Baptist; though not of a sire's will; but of the flesh of Mary, the daughter of David. Quote His father has now given him(this person) a new body,a glori fied body; THE LAST ADAM WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT. Genesis 2:7 speaks of two Adams that are later called in Scripture the outer man and the inner man.  The first was created from earth while the secound is the quickening breath of God. Quote These are not men in a –glorified flesh– body; for they still die a 100yrs old,(there is corruption in the grave).(isiah ch.65). That is not the way it was in the beginning as flesh was not subject to death until humanity ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and will not be once mankind eats of tree of life.

Kerwin.

1Cor15:44.
It is sown (put in the ground;the grave)a natural(flesh)body; it is raised a spiritual(not flesh) body.(quickening spirit).

45. And so it is written,the first man Adam–WAS–made a living soul;(outside the garden), the last Adam –WAS–made a quickening spirit.(outside the city.).

The last Adam(Jesus) –WAS–made a quickening spirit.
Because of one man sin entered into the world; And this one man Jesus took it all away.

There is no such scripture saying; the first Adam is the outer man and the second Adam is the inner man.This can only cause confusion.

RE QUICKENING SPIRIT AND BREATH OF LIFE.
These two are not the same: the breath of life is given to all living creatures;such as humans and all animals breathing oxygen.

The quickening spirit is the one that quickens Jesus.
Angels are made of quickening spirit also,and the saints will also be of quickening spirit.

We follow the one word; and that word is what comes out of the mouth of God.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
He takes away the sin of the world.
He takes with him those forgiven and freed from that sin.

The rest remain under the wrath of God.[jn 3.36]

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2012,08:07)

Hi WU, He takes away the sin of the world. He takes with him those forgiven and freed from that sin. The rest remain under the wrath of God.[jn 3.36]

Nick.

yes, He takes away the sins of the world into the grave; and also that body that carried all the sins of the world; is dead and buried.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2012,00:30)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2012,05:07) Quote (kerwin @ June 19 2012,17:57) T; Don't you believe Jesus uses Scripture and other means to teach us as he is King of all things in heaven and on earth? Kerwin. Yes, Jesus uses scriptures to rebuke satan when he was tempted. Dont forget that scriptures are given to us by God through the Holy spirit; The word of God in print. Jesus is the word of God in the flesh, so we could behold the image of God,and the  beauty in his teachings. He must be born like any other human. Born out of water and blood (flesh)for the sufferings and death. His father has now given him(this person) a new body,a glori fied body; THE LAST ADAM WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT. Spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh: there is no such as glorified flesh; this is a new speech used to justify some wrong interpretation of prophesy. Like the 1000yrs; man living in peace with no pain,no tears,no wars. Animals living in harmony with mankind.All in the flesh. These are not men in a –glorified flesh– body; for they still die a 100yrs old,(there is corruption in the grave).(isiah ch.65). So that twist in scripture is not working,it only creates a web for one to get caught in. Scriptures can not be misinterpreted without getting bogged down at the end. wakeup. wakeup Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.’” Jn 3:4 “How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!” Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. Jn 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ Jn 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” Jn 3:9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked. Jn 3:10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, 11- Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. in those scriptures I quote does it mean that Christ has to be reborn would he not be excluded of his own teachings did he not speak the words of his father,did he not say that they (Christ and the disciples)know???(we speak of what we know,verse 11) Now paid attention to what his said by Christ in verse 12,he spook to Nicodemus not as a personal being but as representing a group,(vrs;11but still you people do not accept our testimony. ) so He goes on in 12 to make a comparison between the earthly things and the things from heaven,and make the statement that he ,Christ Jesus HIS the only one that can teach those things for the only reason that he came down from there,,and point out how will they BELIEVE, Heb 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Heb 11:2 This is what the ancients were commended for. Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. SO you can see and understand that being born again does not mean being baptized in physical water but in THE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH THAT COMES OUT OF THE SON OF GOD,this is what Paul says in Hebrew 11;1-3, Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. born again ;AS PER THE NEW KNOWLEDGE GIVEN BY GOD THROUGH HIS SON ,AND UNLESS WE ACCEPT THAT KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING IT ,WE CANNOT SEE OR ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD, MT 13:10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” MT 13:13 “Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. MT 13:34 All these things Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, and He did not speak to them without a parable. MT 13:35 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet: “I WILL OPEN MY MOUTH IN PARABLES; I WILL UTTER THINGS HIDDEN SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.” LK 8:10 And He said, “ To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that SEEING THEY MAY NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND. lOVE YOU ALL

Terra.

Christ is the light: he is born without sin,he is perfect in spirit.
But he also is flesh like all of us are.
He does not have to be reborn in spirit,for he is perfect in spirit.

He became sin when he hanged on the cross; he took al the sins of the world,past and future.

He followed the father unto death,and his Father gave him his reward. He was born again and given a glorified body.
(born again in a new body,not born again as of a new mind.)

Remember; he was not born again when he was teaching,for the spirit inside him is already perfect;no need to be reborn.

The first birth is of flesh:
The second birth is of the spirit.
born –AGAIN– MEANS BORN 2X. There is no born 3x.such as;
1. born out of the woman.
2. born of a new mind.
3. born as of the resurrection.

wakeup.

[NickHassan]

Hi WU,
Where does scripture say Jesus was perfect IN SPIRIT?

[Wakeup]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2012,15:41)

Hi WU, Where does scripture say Jesus was perfect IN SPIRIT?

Nick.

It does not have to be mentioned in scripture that he is perfect in spirit:
He is the son of God,and therefore sinless.He is the WORD ITSELF made flesh.There is no imperfection in the word of God.

Adam was also made without sin, untill he listened to the father of sin;which is satan.

Jesus obeyed his Father to death; he never ever disobeyed his Father once.
He is an example for us to be like him, but of course we can not be perfect like him.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2012,16:46)

Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2012,00:30) Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2012,05:07) Quote (kerwin @ June 19 2012,17:57) T; Don't you believe Jesus uses Scripture and other means to teach us as he is King of all things in heaven and on earth? Kerwin. Yes, Jesus uses scriptures to rebuke satan when he was tempted. Dont forget that scriptures are given to us by God through the Holy spirit; The word of God in print. Jesus is the word of God in the flesh, so we could behold the image of God,and the  beauty in his teachings. He must be born like any other human. Born out of water and blood (flesh)for the sufferings and death. His father has now given him(this person) a new body,a glori fied body; THE LAST ADAM WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT. Spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh: there is no such as glorified flesh; this is a new speech used to justify some wrong interpretation of prophesy. Like the 1000yrs; man living in peace with no pain,no tears,no wars. Animals living in harmony with mankind.All in the flesh. These are not men in a –glorified flesh– body; for they still die a 100yrs old,(there is corruption in the grave).(isiah ch.65). So that twist in scripture is not working,it only creates a web for one to get caught in. Scriptures can not be misinterpreted without getting bogged down at the end. wakeup. wakeup Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.’” Jn 3:4 “How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!” Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. Jn 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ Jn 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” Jn 3:9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked. Jn 3:10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, 11- Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. in those scriptures I quote does it mean that Christ has to be reborn would he not be excluded of his own teachings did he not speak the words of his father,did he not say that they (Christ and the disciples)know???(we speak of what we know,verse 11) Now paid attention to what his said by Christ in verse 12,he spook to Nicodemus not as a personal being but as representing a group,(vrs;11but still you people do not accept our testimony. ) so He goes on in 12 to make a comparison between the earthly things and the things from heaven,and make the statement that he ,Christ Jesus HIS the only one that can teach those things for the only reason that he came down from there,,and point out how will they BELIEVE, Heb 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Heb 11:2 This is what the ancients were commended for. Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. SO you can see and understand that being born again does not mean being baptized in physical water but in THE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH THAT COMES OUT OF THE SON OF GOD,this is what Paul says in Hebrew 11;1-3, Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. born again ;AS PER THE NEW KNOWLEDGE GIVEN BY GOD THROUGH HIS SON ,AND UNLESS WE ACCEPT THAT KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING IT ,WE CANNOT SEE OR ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD, MT 13:10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” MT 13:13 “Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. MT 13:34 All these things Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, and He did not speak to them without a parable. MT 13:35 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet: “I WILL OPEN MY MOUTH IN PARABLES; I WILL UTTER THINGS HIDDEN SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.” LK 8:10 And He said, “ To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that SEEING THEY MAY NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND. lOVE YOU ALL Terra. Christ is the light: he is born without sin,he is perfect in spirit. But he also is flesh like all of us are. He does not have to be reborn in spirit,for he is perfect in spirit. He became sin when he hanged on the cross; he took al the sins of the world,past and future. He followed the father unto death,and his Father gave him his reward. He was born again and given a glorified body. (born again in a new body,not born again as of a new mind.) Remember; he was not born again when he was teaching,for the spirit inside him is already perfect;no need to be reborn. The first birth is of flesh: The second birth is of the spirit. born –AGAIN– MEANS BORN 2X. There is no born 3x.such as; 1. born out of the woman. 2. born of a new mind. 3. born as of the resurrection. wakeup.

wu

what is it you did not understand in what I have shown?

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ June 25 2012,13:51)

Quote (Wakeup @ June 24 2012,16:46) Quote (terraricca @ June 22 2012,00:30) Quote (Wakeup @ June 22 2012,05:07) Quote (kerwin @ June 19 2012,17:57) T; Don't you believe Jesus uses Scripture and other means to teach us as he is King of all things in heaven and on earth? Kerwin. Yes, Jesus uses scriptures to rebuke satan when he was tempted. Dont forget that scriptures are given to us by God through the Holy spirit; The word of God in print. Jesus is the word of God in the flesh, so we could behold the image of God,and the  beauty in his teachings. He must be born like any other human. Born out of water and blood (flesh)for the sufferings and death. His father has now given him(this person) a new body,a glori fied body; THE LAST ADAM WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT. Spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh: there is no such as glorified flesh; this is a new speech used to justify some wrong interpretation of prophesy. Like the 1000yrs; man living in peace with no pain,no tears,no wars. Animals living in harmony with mankind.All in the flesh. These are not men in a –glorified flesh– body; for they still die a 100yrs old,(there is corruption in the grave).(isiah ch.65). So that twist in scripture is not working,it only creates a web for one to get caught in. Scriptures can not be misinterpreted without getting bogged down at the end. wakeup. wakeup Jn 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.’” Jn 3:4 “How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!” Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Jn 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. Jn 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ Jn 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” Jn 3:9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked. Jn 3:10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? Jn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, 11- Jn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? Jn 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. in those scriptures I quote does it mean that Christ has to be reborn would he not be excluded of his own teachings did he not speak the words of his father,did he not say that they (Christ and the disciples)know???(we speak of what we know,verse 11) Now paid attention to what his said by Christ in verse 12,he spook to Nicodemus not as a personal being but as representing a group,(vrs;11but still you people do not accept our testimony. ) so He goes on in 12 to make a comparison between the earthly things and the things from heaven,and make the statement that he ,Christ Jesus HIS the only one that can teach those things for the only reason that he came down from there,,and point out how will they BELIEVE, Heb 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. Heb 11:2 This is what the ancients were commended for. Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. SO you can see and understand that being born again does not mean being baptized in physical water but in THE KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH THAT COMES OUT OF THE SON OF GOD,this is what Paul says in Hebrew 11;1-3, Jn 3:5 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. born again ;AS PER THE NEW KNOWLEDGE GIVEN BY GOD THROUGH HIS SON ,AND UNLESS WE ACCEPT THAT KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING IT ,WE CANNOT SEE OR ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD, MT 13:10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” MT 13:13 “Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. MT 13:34 All these things Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables, and He did not speak to them without a parable. MT 13:35 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet: “I WILL OPEN MY MOUTH IN PARABLES; I WILL UTTER THINGS HIDDEN SINCE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.” LK 8:10 And He said, “ To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that SEEING THEY MAY NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND. lOVE YOU ALL Terra. Christ is the light: he is born without sin,he is perfect in spirit. But he also is flesh like all of us are. He does not have to be reborn in spirit,for he is perfect in spirit. He became sin when he hanged on the cross; he took al the sins of the world,past and future. He followed the father unto death,and his Father gave him his reward. He was born again and given a glorified body. (born again in a new body,not born again as of a new mind.) Remember; he was not born again when he was teaching,for the spirit inside him is already perfect;no need to be reborn. The first birth is of flesh: The second birth is of the spirit. born –AGAIN– MEANS BORN 2X. There is no born 3x.such as; 1. born out of the woman. 2. born of a new mind. 3. born as of the resurrection. wakeup. wu what is it you did not understand in what I have shown?

Hi terra.

You have got it right,but I was just replying to Nick.

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Wakeup;

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1Cor15:44. It is sown (put in the ground;the grave)a natural(flesh)body; it is raised a spiritual(not flesh) body.(quickening spirit). 45. And so it is written,the first man Adam–WAS–made a living soul;(outside the garden),  the last Adam –WAS–made a quickening spirit.(outside the city.).

Spiritual:

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pneumatikós (an adjective, derived from 4151 /pneúma, “spirit”) – spiritual; relating to the realm of spirit, i.e. the invisible sphere in which the Holy Spirit imparts faith, reveals Christ, etc.

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5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith). 5591 /psyxikós (“natural”) typically describes the natural (“lower”) aspect of humanity, i.e. behavior that is “more of earth (carnality) than heaven.” 5591 (psyxikós) then sometimes stands in contrast to 4152 /pneumatikós (“spiritual”) – the higher, spiritual aspect of humanity that develops through faith (4102 /pístis)

Paul uses the same words in 1 Corinthians 2:15-16 to teach the difference between the man who lives by the Spirit and the man who lives by the flesh; even though both bear flesh.

There is clearly nothing in the word “psuchikos” that supports your interpretation of it meaning flesh as it literally means soulish and the word “pneumatikos” is relating to the realm of spirit and not composition of the body as the Holy Spirit gives eternal life.

Let’s look what these passages teach us:

John 6:63
King James Version (KJV)

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Do you agree that the flesh has no importance and that the spirit gives life to the body?

Revelation 11:11
King James Version (KJV)

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Do you agree that when the Two Witnesses are resurrected by the Spirit of life from God that they are resurrected in the flesh, as they stand on their feet?

Romans 8:2
King James Version (KJV)

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Do you agree that it is the same Spirit of Life that raised the Two Witnesses that is also the Law in Christ Jesus?

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There is no such scripture saying; the first Adam is the outer man and the second Adam is the inner man. This can only cause confusion.

I winched at your words as they make it look like you cannot count to two.  I am sure you can but instead did not consider what your words inferred.  There are passages that speak of the outer man and the inner man. One is 2 Corinthians 4:16.  You are able to determine which came first; which of them is the life given spirit from heaven and which of them dirt of the earth is.

I know it is written:

1 Corinthians 15
King James Version (KJV)

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

I do not know how you came by the idea that Jesus Christ is the life giving spirit; as opposed to the Holy Spirit being life giving Spirit; and his words by which it comes.

My source is here

[Wakeup]

Quote (kerwin @ June 25 2012,18:53)

Wakeup; Quote 1Cor15:44. It is sown (put in the ground;the grave)a natural(flesh)body; it is raised a spiritual(not flesh) body.(quickening spirit). 45. And so it is written,the first man Adam–WAS–made a living soul;(outside the garden),  the last Adam –WAS–made a quickening spirit.(outside the city.). Spiritual: Quote pneumatikós (an adjective, derived from 4151 /pneúma, “spirit”) – spiritual; relating to the realm of spirit, i.e. the invisible sphere in which the Holy Spirit imparts faith, reveals Christ, etc. Natural: Quote 5591 psyxikós (an adjective, derived from 5590 /psyxḗ, “soul, natural identity”) – properly, soulish, i.e. what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith). 5591 /psyxikós (“natural”) typically describes the natural (“lower”) aspect of humanity, i.e. behavior that is “more of earth (carnality) than heaven.” 5591 (psyxikós) then sometimes stands in contrast to 4152 /pneumatikós (“spiritual”) – the higher, spiritual aspect of humanity that develops through faith (4102 /pístis) Paul uses the same words in 1 Corinthians 2:15-16 to teach the difference between the man who lives by the Spirit and the man who lives by the flesh; even though both bear flesh. There is clearly nothing in the word “psuchikos” that supports your interpretation of it meaning flesh as it literally means soulish and the word “pneumatikos” is relating to the realm of spirit and not composition of the body as the Holy Spirit gives eternal life. Let’s look what these passages teach us: John 6:63 King James Version (KJV) 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Do you agree that the flesh has no importance and that the spirit gives life to the body? Revelation 11:11 King James Version (KJV) 11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. Do you agree that when the Two Witnesses are resurrected by the Spirit of life from God that they are resurrected in the flesh, as they stand on their feet? Romans 8:2 King James Version (KJV) 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Do you agree that it is the same Spirit of Life that raised the Two Witnesses that is also the Law in Christ Jesus? Quote There is no such scripture saying; the first Adam is the outer man and the second Adam is the inner man. This can only cause confusion. I winched at your words as they make it look like you cannot count to two.  I am sure you can but instead did not consider what your words inferred.  There are passages that speak of the outer man and the inner man. One is 2 Corinthians 4:16.  You are able to determine which came first; which of them is the life given spirit from heaven and which of them dirt of the earth is. I know it is written: 1 Corinthians 15 King James Version (KJV) 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. I do not know how you came by the idea that Jesus Christ is the life giving spirit; as opposed to the Holy Spirit being life giving Spirit; and his words by which it comes. My source is here

Kerwin.

It makes no difference how you try to explain your doctrine:
It contradicts all scriptures.

The two witnesses were not resurrected;but brought back to how they were before(flesh).brought back to life.
They were revived(like mouth to mouth resuscitation).

No one has been resurrected before the 7th trumpet,accept the 24 elders which witnessed the little book being unsealed.

You are confusing the two:
The breath of life;which all living creatures have, and the quickening spirit,of which all the angels are MADE OF.
We have the breath of life and all animals also;the same breath.

There is no flesh of any sort in heaven.
Heaven is the place for spirit creatures,and a spirit God.

In flesh there is corruption,therefore has to be changed into incorruption.

Jesus said in rev.22. I AM THE ALPHA AND O'MEGA THE BEGINNING AND THE END.
Is HE flesh? Is GOD flesh? The angels are spirit, are they superior to the creator?

wakeup.

[kerwin]

Wakeup;

I know your words are descended from the words of the Gnostics and not those taught in Scripture. You have been indoctrinated in these false words and can only support them with misinterpreted Scripture. For example you state that two Witnesses are resuscitated when Scripture declares they will be killed by the beast; lie in the street on three days, just as their lord lay dead on three days; and received the Spirit of life, which declares them to be sons of God’ on the third day. Like their Lord, they ascend to up to heaven in a cloud while still in their bodies. Scripture sates they will be dead; and not apparently dead or unconscious as your words reveal you believe.

I assure you that no one is resurrected as a ghost; as you have been let to believe. A person is resurrected in a heavenly body that does not decay, suffer injury, or perish; except in hellfire.

It is the Spirit of God that gives life to our flesh though it is currently cursed. Genesis 6:3 teaches us that and in Genesis 3:19 we are taught the flesh was first cursed by God. Why don’t you believe the Spirit of God can give eternal life to the flesh that is not cursed?

Consider that the flesh that is not cursed; as well as the Spirit of God, that gives it life; is a good and perfect gift and such gifts are from above; just as James 1:17 teaches us.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ June 26 2012,17:49)

Wakeup; I know your words are descended from the words of the Gnostics and not those taught in Scripture.  You have been indoctrinated in these false words and can only support them with misinterpreted Scripture.  For example you state that two Witnesses are resuscitated when Scripture declares they will be killed by the beast; lie in the street on three days, just as their lord lay dead on three days;  and received the Spirit of life, which declares them to be sons of God’ on the third day.  Like their Lord, they ascend to up to heaven in a cloud while still in their bodies.   Scripture sates they will be dead; and not apparently dead or unconscious as your words reveal you believe. I assure you that no one is resurrected as a ghost; as you have been let to believe.   A person is resurrected in a heavenly body that does not decay, suffer injury, or perish; except in hellfire. It is the Spirit of God that gives life to our flesh though it is currently cursed.  Genesis 6:3 teaches us that and in Genesis 3:19 we are taught the flesh was first cursed by God.  Why don’t you believe the Spirit of God can give eternal life to the flesh that is not cursed? Consider that the flesh that is not cursed; as well as the Spirit of God, that gives it life; is a good and perfect gift and such gifts are from above; just as James 1:17 teaches us.

k

IT SEEMS YOU READ MANY OTHER PEOPLE COMMENTS AND YOU ACCEPT WHAT THEY SAY ,AND WHAT YOU ARE WILLING TO TAKE ON

you do not even bother looking if it is supported in scriptures,
so you waisting your time and ours because you relly on us to correct you and do your work for you,it is time you go buy your own oil

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