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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 17 2012,03:02) Hi KW,
No, natural life is of the blood.
Eternal life is of the Spirit of life.
Nick;We agree on this point.
The life that is in the spiritual flesh is the Spirit and not the blood; for it is eternal life.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 17 2012,03:01) Hi KW,
So now common usage is applied to scripture as justification for your dogma??
Nick;It is needful to understand the language of Scripture and not to look at it as one that understands a similar but foreign language.
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2012,14:09) T; Paul teaches us that the gospel is a message of a righteousness that comes by faith from first to last. Whether Jew or Gentile, you must receive the Spirit through faith and perfect your walk in the Spirit by faith.
The one who walks in the Spirit does not sin; for sin is alien to the Spirit. A sinful act therefore reveals a person is walking according to the flesh. The goal of those who seek God's kingdom and his righteousness is to continuously walk by the Spirit and never tough the things of the flesh.
We are taught first for the Jews and then for the Gentile and Scripture reveals the kingdom was first preached to the Jews and then to the Gentiles.
KThis does not answer my question to you,
But you say that we have to walk in the spirit ? Right what his that spirit
You say Paul says the gospel his a message
What message is that T;
I am striving to answer your question.
The aspect of the Spirit of God I speak of is his love; for love does not sin and therefore fulfills the righteous requirements of the Law.
Walk in God's love and you will not sin.
The message is how to receive and live by a love that is like God's. That is why he calls it a righteousness that is by faith from first to last.
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2012,17:08) T; I am striving to answer your question.
The aspect of the Spirit of God I speak of is his love; for love does not sin and therefore fulfills the righteous requirements of the Law.
Walk in God's love and you will not sin.
The message is how to receive and live by a love that is like God's. That is why he calls it a righteousness that is by faith from first to last.
Kso no need for the GRACE OF GOD
?Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,05:11) K so no need for the GRACE OF GOD
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T;It is by God's grace a person both receives and has their walk in the Spirit perfected.
It is also by God's grace that the sins committed before that goal is reached are forgiven.
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2012,17:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,05:11) K so no need for the GRACE OF GOD
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T;It is by God's grace a person both receives and has their walk in the Spirit perfected.
It is also by God's grace that the sins committed before that goal is reached are forgiven.
Kso witch one comes first??? LOVE or the grace
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 17 2012,07:38) Hi KW,
You claim the sole knowledge of Scripture?
Nick;If I had sole knowledge of Scripture I would not have to seek that knowledge as I do. Instead too many who are ignorant and/corrupt have and are making Scripture harder to understand than it should be.
I have learned some things which I am certain of and others which I see with limited clarity.
In all this I believe I am being taught by God; though I fear I am not a talented student.
You also are being taught; just believe God can and will overcome your flesh; which is of the world. Also believe the Spirit will give eternal life; even to the flesh.
Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,07:00) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2012,17:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,05:11) K so no need for the GRACE OF GOD
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T;It is by God's grace a person both receives and has their walk in the Spirit perfected.
It is also by God's grace that the sins committed before that goal is reached are forgiven.
Kso witch one comes first??? LOVE or the grace
T;All things come by grace but grace is also the reward for all things. It is a general term that is used in many situations.
God's grace is comes at the same time as the related gift so God's grace is the gift of love, the related gift of forgiveness, any other gift he gives.
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2012,20:59) Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,07:00) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2012,17:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,05:11) K so no need for the GRACE OF GOD
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T;It is by God's grace a person both receives and has their walk in the Spirit perfected.
It is also by God's grace that the sins committed before that goal is reached are forgiven.
Kso witch one comes first??? LOVE or the grace
T;All things come by grace but grace is also the reward for all things. It is a general term that is used in many situations.
God's grace is comes at the same time as the related gift so God's grace is the gift of love, the related gift of forgiveness, any other gift he gives.
Kfirst ;the way I understand it ; the Grace of God is given trough his son Jesus Christ sacrifice ,this is an act of love from God,
the only thing that grace gives us is to be able to become reconciled with God ;providing that we accept his rules or will,what is righteousness, holiness,those two items are in no way related to the acts ,works of the flesh,they are opposed to each other ,
all other gifts are given as needed not to all God does not give uselessly ,but we ALL WALK BY FAITH NO MATTER WHAT OR IF WE RECEIVE A GIFT , IT IS OUR LIFE WE ARE DEALING FOR
WE SHOULD BELIEVE THE SCRIPTURES AND LET GOD GUIDE US IN IT ,BUT UNLESS WE BELIEVE ALL THE SCRIPTURES WE WILL NOT RECEIVE HELP ,AND BELIEVE WITH OUR HEART .AND no DOUBTS.
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2012,06:55) Wakeup, Quote Kerwin. Thank you;
So Jesus is now elevated to a higher position; as in position only,but he is still made of flesh and bone.
Therefore lower than the angels in form.
Is this what you are saying?wakeup.
All physical forms are equal in the sight of God; as he created them all as Master Works.
There are two main spiritual forms; the first is like God in true holiness and righteousness and the second falls short of God's glory.
Angels come in different forms; according to their kind. I have seen no substantial evidence that angels have spirit bodies. The evidence I have seen is that they are material in nature but often hidden from the eyes of men.
Jesus was elevated higher than God's angels in position and his flesh and blood form is equal to the material form that at least some angels wear. The Spirit gives life and the flesh counts for nothing; John 6:63.
Kerwin.You need to stop preaching that the WORD of Jehovah the Lord of host is flesh and bone.The WORD OF GOD is not flesh and bone, for he is given a spirit body.( the Word was made flesh,his origin is spirit,and now he is again spirit).
John3:24.— GOD IS SPIRIT.(the first and the last is spirit,not flesh).
Isiah 43:11. I even I am the lord; AND BESIDE ME THERE IS NO SAVIOUR. ( he is not flesh).
vers.15.I am the lord,your holy one,the creator of israel,your king. (he is not flesh).
Isiah.44:6. Thus said the Lord the king of israel(Gods word),and his redeemer the Lord of host(GOD): I AM THE FIRST ,AND I AM THE LAST,AND BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD. (revelation1:17.–fear not I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST.).(he is not flesh).
verse.8. —Ye are my witnesses, Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
(there is no flesh God beside God).verse.24. I am the lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens -ALONE; That spreadeth abroad the earth BY MY SELF.(there is no flesh god biside him).
You need to know the DEEP things of God Kerwin.
Greetings to you.wakeup.
Wakwup;
The Word comes out of the mouth of Jehovah and makes his home with Jesus Christ our Lord; so that he has come to be called by the name of the Word.
The Word is spirit and was not transform to flesh but was instead made flesh by uniting with the human being; Jesus.
Jehovah is not Jesus; as he is the God and Father of Jesus and his brethren.
There is but one God; from whom all righteous things come.
Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2012,00:52) Wakwup; The Word comes out of the mouth of Jehovah and makes his home with Jesus Christ our Lord; so that he has come to be called by the name of the Word.
The Word is spirit and was not transform to flesh but was instead made flesh by uniting with the human being; Jesus.
Jehovah is not Jesus; as he is the God and Father of Jesus and his brethren.
There is but one God; from whom all righteous things come.
KCol:1:15-21 disagree with your quote
Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2012,17:52) Wakwup; The Word comes out of the mouth of Jehovah and makes his home with Jesus Christ our Lord; so that he has come to be called by the name of the Word.
The Word is spirit and was not transform to flesh but was instead made flesh by uniting with the human being; Jesus.
Jehovah is not Jesus; as he is the God and Father of Jesus and his brethren.
There is but one God; from whom all righteous things come.
Kerwin.I even I am the Lord; BESIDE ME THERE IS NO SAVIOUR.
But kerwin says: the man jesus in the flesh is with God.
God says: there is NONE BESIDE ME.
Kerwin again says: oh yes there is the flesh sitting next to you.
Kerwin says: Gods word is now flesh.
who is right?
wakeup.
Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,12:55) Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2012,00:52) Wakwup; The Word comes out of the mouth of Jehovah and makes his home with Jesus Christ our Lord; so that he has come to be called by the name of the Word.
The Word is spirit and was not transform to flesh but was instead made flesh by uniting with the human being; Jesus.
Jehovah is not Jesus; as he is the God and Father of Jesus and his brethren.
There is but one God; from whom all righteous things come.
KCol:1:15-21 disagree with your quote
T;I have no idea how you arrive at that conclusion.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 17 2012,20:03) Quote (kerwin @ June 17 2012,17:52) Wakwup; The Word comes out of the mouth of Jehovah and makes his home with Jesus Christ our Lord; so that he has come to be called by the name of the Word.
The Word is spirit and was not transform to flesh but was instead made flesh by uniting with the human being; Jesus.
Jehovah is not Jesus; as he is the God and Father of Jesus and his brethren.
There is but one God; from whom all righteous things come.
Kerwin.I even I am the Lord; BESIDE ME THERE IS NO SAVIOUR.
But kerwin says: the man jesus in the flesh is with God.
God says: there is NONE BESIDE ME.
Kerwin again says: oh yes there is the flesh sitting next to you.
Kerwin says: Gods word is now flesh.
who is right?
wakeup.
Wakeup;As Jehovah states and I agree he is the only God from whom all things comes. There is no other true God beside him. There is no other source of salvation but him. I already stated Jesus is not Jehovah.
The Son of mankind; created of flesh and spirit; stands at his right hand.
Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2012,13:12) Quote (terraricca @ June 17 2012,12:55) Quote (kerwin @ June 18 2012,00:52) Wakwup; The Word comes out of the mouth of Jehovah and makes his home with Jesus Christ our Lord; so that he has come to be called by the name of the Word.
The Word is spirit and was not transform to flesh but was instead made flesh by uniting with the human being; Jesus.
Jehovah is not Jesus; as he is the God and Father of Jesus and his brethren.
There is but one God; from whom all righteous things come.
KCol:1:15-21 disagree with your quote
T;I have no idea how you arrive at that conclusion.
KIt is related to what you preach Christ being in the flesh,in heaven,or God his father being in the flesh trough Christ,this is wrong at best,
It seems you take conclusions on only a small amount of knowledge of scriptures,
Scriptures will tell you that God does not deal with unholyness what is men position,
T;
Quote K It is related to what you preach Christ being in the flesh,in heaven,or God his father being in the flesh trough Christ,this is wrong at best,
It seems you take conclusions on only a small amount of knowledge of scriptures,
Scriptures will tell you that God does not deal with unholyness what is men position,
I see your accusation but I know Wisdom is known by her children.
We are taught that Jehovah lives in certain human beings through his Spirit annd that both Yawheh and Jesus dwell in those same believers and they in them. Since we are taught them by God it follows they are true in some manner.
We are taught Jesus is a human; even the Son of humanity. He even now; as the Son of humanity stands beside his and his siblings Father and God; who is Jehovah.
Currently men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God and can only be reconciled to Yawheh through faith in Jesus the Emperor.
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