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Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2012,12:04) Quote (Wakeup @ June 13 2012,01:55) Quote (kerwin @ June 12 2012,05:53) Wakeup; There is no marriage or giving in marriage in the World To Come. Jesus is called both the Son of man and the Son of David; even at the present time.
Kerwin.
yes,there is no marriage in the world to come.
My question is still valid: what would be the three ex husbands to this woman in the new world? Is there male and female in the new world?God is spirit,that is for sure,and to you ; his children are flesh,this is what you are really saying.
is that correct?We know that the world would melt with fervent heat: so how can flesh survive?
wakeup.
Wakeup;Genesis 1:27
King James Version (KJV)27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
and
Genesis 2:18
King James Version (KJV)18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
and
Matthew 19:28
King James Version (KJV)28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
God is Love and his children are love but bear flesh.
Kerwin.You are grasping straw,quoting scriptures that has nothing to do with the topic.
YOUR QUOTE:
God is love and his children are love but bear flesh
(scripture please.)(Is this in the new testament?).Compere Jesus ascension to heaven; and his coming,rev19.
wakeup.
Wakeup;
Quote Kerwin. You are grasping straw,quoting scriptures that has nothing to do with the topic.
YOUR QUOTE:
God is love and his children are love but bear flesh
(scripture please.)(Is this in the new testament?).Compare Jesus ascension to heaven; and his coming,rev19.
wakeup.
It is a paraphrase of what is taught in 1 John 4 applied to John 4:24 because love is a spirit.
1 John 4:8
King James Version (KJV)8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
And
1 John 4:16
King James Version (KJV)16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
And
1 John 4:7
King James Version (KJV)7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
We were discussing gender in the World To Come and it is written that God created mankind with some being male and others being female in gender. So it was before the fall. We also know God created females as help mates for male before the fall. A third fact we know is that Jesus is still being referred as a male. Put together that all seems to reveal that gender will exist in the World To Come.
Quote (terraricca @ June 13 2012,11:02) Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2012,22:29) T; I apologize as all read was what you stated about the 144,000.
You also wrote:
Quote it is not that the law was nulled but for thier sins it was ,because we all deserve dead ,but God grace give us a new start so that we can be reborn . God's grace of the new covenant is the Holy Spirit; which procreates, teaches, creates the new man we are instructed to put on.
KShow me this in the scriptures !that the grace is the holy spirit
T;Romans 5:15
King James Version (KJV)15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
and
Romans 5:17
King James Version (KJV)17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
and
Acts 2:38
King James Version (KJV)38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
and
Luke 11:13
King James Version (KJV)13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 14 2012,03:10) Hi KW,
So we will not be like to the angels? lk 20.36
Nick;I cannot find the word “like” or “equal”in the Ancient Greek though there is “dunamai” which means “(a) I am powerful, have (the) power, (b) I am able, I can.”
Check out the Ancient Greek here.
Hi KW,
Flesh is mortal.
Flesh reproduces.
1.Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
2.Mark 12:25
For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 14 2012,03:11) Hi KW,
Flesh begets flesh.
Flesh is of the condemned earth
Nick;Creation will be freed from its curse. The World To Come is not condemned. Flesh is of no account the Spirit is all.
John 6:63
King James Version (KJV)63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2012,15:29) Quote (terraricca @ June 13 2012,11:02) Quote (kerwin @ June 13 2012,22:29) T; I apologize as all read was what you stated about the 144,000.
You also wrote:
Quote it is not that the law was nulled but for thier sins it was ,because we all deserve dead ,but God grace give us a new start so that we can be reborn . God's grace of the new covenant is the Holy Spirit; which procreates, teaches, creates the new man we are instructed to put on.
KShow me this in the scriptures !that the grace is the holy spirit
T;Romans 5:15
King James Version (KJV)15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
and
Romans 5:17
King James Version (KJV)17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
and
Acts 2:38
King James Version (KJV)38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
and
Luke 11:13
King James Version (KJV)13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Kyour scriptures do not support that the GRACE OF GOD HIS THE HOLY SPIRIT ;
RO 4:16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
RO 5:2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
RO 5:17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ
RO 5:20 The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
RO 5:21 so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.this above scriptures shows that with true repentance any sin can be forgiven by God grace
RO 15:15 But I have written very boldly to you on some points so as to remind you again, because of the grace that was given me from God,
1CO 3:10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each man must be careful how he builds on it.
1CO 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.so I believe that you are mixing the GRACE of God and his holy spirit up into confusion ,those two things are very different from each other
Nick;
Quote Flesh is mortal. Only cursed flesh is mortal; as it is written:
Genesis 3:19
King James Version (KJV)19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Quote Flesh reproduces. Before the Fall it is written:
Genesis 1:28
King James Version (KJV)28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
The earth will be replenished in the World To Come.
Matthew 22:30 and Mark 12:25 seems to saying something different than Luke 20:36 but is really just a paraphrase of the other two. I lack the tools necessary to discover more along the lines of original language. I do know these things 1) death ends marriage and 2) immortality ends immortality. Death would not end marriage if there was marriage or given in marriage after the resurrection. Jesus tells us what was commonly known at that time and that is that angels are immortal and do not marry; nor are they given in marriage.
T;
“The gift by grace” that comes through Jesus Christ is the gift of the Holy Spirit; even as Peter and John the Baptist testified.
A person receives and lives by the Spirit by God's grace. In so doing they are filled with the righteousness and holiness they crave.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 14 2012,05:21) Hi KW,
So you will not be like the angels?
Nick;The children of the resurrection are like Angels in that the are immortal and do not marry; nor are they given in marriage. The passage from Luke seems to be saying the sons of God will have the same power/ability as angels.
Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2012,05:16) T; “The gift by grace” that comes through Jesus Christ is the gift of the Holy Spirit; even as Peter and John the Baptist testified.
A person receives and lives by the Spirit by God's grace. In so doing they are filled with the righteousness and holiness they crave.
T;It is those that believe in the promised gift of the Holy Spirit that will receive it and be forgiven of their sins.
Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2012,17:50) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2012,05:16) T; “The gift by grace” that comes through Jesus Christ is the gift of the Holy Spirit; even as Peter and John the Baptist testified.
A person receives and lives by the Spirit by God's grace. In so doing they are filled with the righteousness and holiness they crave.
T;It is those that believe in the promised gift of the Holy Spirit that will receive it and be forgiven of their sins.
Kshow me a scripture for this
Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2012,17:16) T; “The gift by grace” that comes through Jesus Christ is the gift of the Holy Spirit; even as Peter and John the Baptist testified.
A person receives and lives by the Spirit by God's grace. In so doing they are filled with the righteousness and holiness they crave.
KQuote T; “The gift by grace” that comes through Jesus Christ is the gift of the Holy Spirit
this is false ;
Ro 8:2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.
2Co 1:5 For just as the sufferings of Christ flow over into our lives, so also through Christ our comfort overflows.
2Co 3:4 Such confidence as this is ours through Christ before God.
2Co 5:18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
Gal 3:14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus,so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
so ;;1Co 15:3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
Gal 1:4 who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,
Col 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,1Jn 4:10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.
so again scriptures disagree with your view ,and deductions of your studies ,NO MAN CAN SEE THE TRUTH UNLESS THEY HAVE LEARNED TO KNOW GOD ,,but to know God you have to let God come to you ,but if you want God to come to you ,you have to be ready to receive him ,in the honor he deserve,this mean NOT WHAT YOU WANT TO GIVE HIM,
Nick;
These words are also written on the subject.
Genesis 3:22
King James Version (KJV)22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Quote (terraricca @ June 14 2012,06:05) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2012,17:50) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2012,05:16) T; “The gift by grace” that comes through Jesus Christ is the gift of the Holy Spirit; even as Peter and John the Baptist testified.
A person receives and lives by the Spirit by God's grace. In so doing they are filled with the righteousness and holiness they crave.
T;It is those that believe in the promised gift of the Holy Spirit that will receive it and be forgiven of their sins.
Kshow me a scripture for this
T;Abraham believed what was promised and it was credited to him as righteousness.
God promises that those that hunger and thirst will become righteous and holy like unto him.
Those that walk by the spirit put on the new man that is created like him in true righteousness and holiness.
The Spirit is received when a person believes, repents, and is immersed.
These Scriptures we have already addressed at other times and places.
Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2012,22:33) Quote (terraricca @ June 14 2012,06:05) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2012,17:50) Quote (kerwin @ June 14 2012,05:16) T; “The gift by grace” that comes through Jesus Christ is the gift of the Holy Spirit; even as Peter and John the Baptist testified.
A person receives and lives by the Spirit by God's grace. In so doing they are filled with the righteousness and holiness they crave.
T;It is those that believe in the promised gift of the Holy Spirit that will receive it and be forgiven of their sins.
Kshow me a scripture for this
T;Abraham believed what was promised and it was credited to him as righteousness.
God promises that those that hunger and thirst will become righteous and holy like unto him.
Those that walk by the spirit put on the new man that is created like him in true righteousness and holiness.
The Spirit is received when a person believes, repents, and is immersed.
These Scriptures we have already addressed at other times and places.
KYou did not show any scriptures ,because there are any that support your faulty doctrines
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