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Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 15 2007,05:39) I give up, it seems that Anti-Christ is going to win in the end. It is just the time of the end, right, Morningstar.
I understand where you are coming from. However, Towshab is not hindering my faith in the slightest.I believe he is following a revisionist Judaism that has evolved overtime much like our Christian faith has under Catholicism.
Most of the questions he brings up are actually answered under books called the “apocrypha”. Unfortunately, most Jews and Christians ignore these works.
I speak with him because I don't think he is an anti-christ.
Anti-Christs are those who deny that Jesus came in the Flesh.
This in my opinion involved Christians of the “Gnostic” belief system who believed Jesus was a phantom spirit and not actually flesh and blood. They didn't believe he really died on the cross for our sins but rather “pretended” to because he was a spirit being and didn't have blood in his body. They thought the physical world was evil, flesh is evil, dirt is evil etc… They didn't believe that the Christ could be clothed in something evil like flesh.Towshab, is not Gnostic. He believes Jesus came in the flesh. He just believes that he was not the Messiah. But, just a good teacher later deified with his teachings being corrupted and paganized.
The apostles spent years discussing these things day and night with their Jewish people. I don't think I am letting Satan win by talking with him.
I thank you for your concern.
Pulled from the Pre-existence thread
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 08 2007,17:23) TowShab……> It says in the new Testemant (no offence intended), that God so loved the world that He Gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believes on Him should not parish. Lets conceder this for a moment, lets look at it very closely.
1….God so Loved the World. (Love) is what you want to hang on to. God wanted to hang onto the world.
2…. (THAT) or this is the reason, He gave His only begotten son. Question does it say God Killed His Son? NO. Its saying God allowed it to take place.
Yet you still cannot escape the fact that if the god of the GT is YHVH why would he sacrifice His human son if he repeatedly condemned human sacrifice in the Tanakh? Why would He go against His own word? And what happens to this?
Lev 16:34 And this shall be a statute forever for you, that atonement may be made for the people of Israel once in the year because of all their sins.” And Moses did as the LORD commanded him.
You can read the rest of Lev 16 for context but it speaks of the scape goat. Does forever sound temporary to you? Should Jesus have been called the 'goat of G-d' instead?
Quote 3…. in Isiah 53:10, Shows it pleased the Lord bruise Him, question (WHY DID IT PLEASE GOD)?, Because Jesus, of His own free WILL poured out His Soul unto death, and that is what pleased the Father. Not that God took Him and murdered Him. But God allowed Him to offer up Himself as a payment for our sins. Jesus made Himself the payment for our sins. He was our Kindsmen redeemer. Please read Is 52-53 carefully, verse by verse, and you'll see where it can't be talking about Jesus. And we have already discussed the kinsman redeemer. There is nothing in that concept that calls for the taking of human life to redeem.
Quote God allowed and accepted the price He Paid. And because He Did that God Our Father has elevated Him Above every name in Heaven and earth Except the Father of course.
Jesus Plainly said he didn't have to do it, and was told that by The Father. Jesus never sinned so the death penalty was not on Him so He was the only one who could ATONE for our sins, by rigth of Kindsmen reedemer.The Christian bible says he did not sin but what is sin? It is violation of Torah. Jesus violated the Torah on more than one occasion. The biggest one was that he certainly did not honor his mother and father. Jesus had a very poor view of family.
Quote I know many Jew's Have that idea that Christians think God Killed his son, but the truth is God allowed Jesus to offer Himself as a payment for our sins. Thats why we believe we have been purchased at a price. And we have great confidence as a result in our salvation. Hope this helped TowShab…….Sholam…..Gene
The sad thing is that Jesus could not be a sacrifice because his death did not meet a single requirement of Levitical sacrifice.
Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 15 2007,12:56) Pulled from the Pre-existence thread
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 08 2007,17:23) TowShab……> It says in the new Testemant (no offence intended), that God so loved the world that He Gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believes on Him should not parish. Lets conceder this for a moment, lets look at it very closely.
1….God so Loved the World. (Love) is what you want to hang on to. God wanted to hang onto the world.
2…. (THAT) or this is the reason, He gave His only begotten son. Question does it say God Killed His Son? NO. Its saying God allowed it to take place.
Yet you still cannot escape the fact that if the god of the GT is YHVH why would he sacrifice His human son if he repeatedly condemned human sacrifice in the Tanakh? Why would He go against His own word? And what happens to this?
Lev 16:34 And this shall be a statute forever for you, that atonement may be made for the people of Israel once in the year because of all their sins.” And Moses did as the LORD commanded him.
You can read the rest of Lev 16 for context but it speaks of the scape goat. Does forever sound temporary to you? Should Jesus have been called the 'goat of G-d' instead?
Quote 3…. in Isiah 53:10, Shows it pleased the Lord bruise Him, question (WHY DID IT PLEASE GOD)?, Because Jesus, of His own free WILL poured out His Soul unto death, and that is what pleased the Father. Not that God took Him and murdered Him. But God allowed Him to offer up Himself as a payment for our sins. Jesus made Himself the payment for our sins. He was our Kindsmen redeemer. Please read Is 52-53 carefully, verse by verse, and you'll see where it can't be talking about Jesus. And we have already discussed the kinsman redeemer. There is nothing in that concept that calls for the taking of human life to redeem.
Quote God allowed and accepted the price He Paid. And because He Did that God Our Father has elevated Him Above every name in Heaven and earth Except the Father of course.
Jesus Plainly said he didn't have to do it, and was told that by The Father. Jesus never sinned so the death penalty was not on Him so He was the only one who could ATONE for our sins, by rigth of Kindsmen reedemer.The Christian bible says he did not sin but what is sin? It is violation of Torah. Jesus violated the Torah on more than one occasion. The biggest one was that he certainly did not honor his mother and father. Jesus had a very poor view of family.
Quote I know many Jew's Have that idea that Christians think God Killed his son, but the truth is God allowed Jesus to offer Himself as a payment for our sins. Thats why we believe we have been purchased at a price. And we have great confidence as a result in our salvation. Hope this helped TowShab…….Sholam…..Gene
The sad thing is that Jesus could not be a sacrifice because his death did not meet a single requirement of Levitical sacrifice.
God did not sacrifice his son.Jesus paid the ransom to satan. christ died in our place. paying the debt to the one who has the power of death, satan.
He set the captives free!!!
1 corinthains 2
6Yet among(H) the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not(I) a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age,(J) who are doomed to pass away. 7But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God,(K) which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8None of(L) the rulers of this age understood this, for(M) if they had, they would not have crucified(N) the Lord of glory.
Quote (Morningstar @ Nov. 15 2007,01:49) God did not sacrifice his son. Jesus paid the ransom to satan. christ died in our place. paying the debt to the one who has the power of death, satan.
He set the captives free!!!
1 corinthains 2
6Yet among(H) the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not(I) a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age,(J) who are doomed to pass away. 7But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God,(K) which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8None of(L) the rulers of this age understood this, for(M) if they had, they would not have crucified(N) the Lord of glory.
Deu 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.Psa 49:7 [ESV] Truly no man can ransom another, or give to God the price of his life
Jer 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
Isa 3:10 Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.
Isa 3:11 Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.Paul never said 'And the word of YHVH came to me'. Paul spoke his own words. We never once see in the GT where YHVH spoke to anyone. There was some 'god the father' but this character did not exist in the Tanakh.
Did you know that the Roman god Jupiter's name derived from 'O Father God'? He was also part of a trinity. How convenient.
Quote (Morningstar @ Nov. 15 2007,01:49) Jesus paid the ransom to satan. christ died in our place. paying the debt to the one who has the power of death, satan.
Where do you get the idea that 'satan' has the power of death? Please show me this ideal from the Tanakh.Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 15 2007,22:53) Quote (Morningstar @ Nov. 15 2007,01:49) God did not sacrifice his son. Jesus paid the ransom to satan. christ died in our place. paying the debt to the one who has the power of death, satan.
He set the captives free!!!
1 corinthains 2
6Yet among(H) the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not(I) a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age,(J) who are doomed to pass away. 7But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God,(K) which God decreed before the ages for our glory. 8None of(L) the rulers of this age understood this, for(M) if they had, they would not have crucified(N) the Lord of glory.
Deu 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.Psa 49:7 [ESV] Truly no man can ransom another, or give to God the price of his life
Jer 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
Isa 3:10 Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.
Isa 3:11 Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.Paul never said 'And the word of YHVH came to me'. Paul spoke his own words. We never once see in the GT where YHVH spoke to anyone. There was some 'god the father' but this character did not exist in the Tanakh.
Did you know that the Roman god Jupiter's name derived from 'O Father God'? He was also part of a trinity. How convenient.
I agree with all those verses. What were they meant to do?The spirt spoke to him. The prophets of the old testament said the same thing. They either saw an angel or heard the spirit.
Maybe that influenced the false doctrine of the trinity then who knows.
Quote (Morningstar @ Nov. 15 2007,07:15) Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 15 2007,22:53)
Deu 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.Psa 49:7 [ESV] Truly no man can ransom another, or give to God the price of his life
Jer 31:30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
Isa 3:10 Say ye to the righteous, that it shall be well with him: for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.
Isa 3:11 Woe unto the wicked! it shall be ill with him: for the reward of his hands shall be given him.Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.Paul never said 'And the word of YHVH came to me'. Paul spoke his own words. We never once see in the GT where YHVH spoke to anyone. There was some 'god the father' but this character did not exist in the Tanakh.
Did you know that the Roman god Jupiter's name derived from 'O Father God'? He was also part of a trinity. How convenient.
I agree with all those verses. What were they meant to do?To show the error in your 'ransom' theory. Jesus could not die in the place of others because each person is responsible for their own iniquities.
Quote The spirt spoke to him. The prophets of the old testament said the same thing. They either saw an angel or heard the spirit. Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
1Sa 3:21 And the LORD appeared again in Shiloh: for the LORD revealed himself to Samuel in Shiloh by the word of the LORD.
1Sa 15:10 Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying,
2Sa 7:4 And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying
2Sa 24:11 For when David was up in the morning, the word of the LORD came unto the prophet Gad, David's seer, saying
1Ki 6:11 And the word of the LORD came to Solomon, saying
1Ki 13:18 He said unto him, I am a prophet also as thou art; and an angel spake unto me by the word of the LORD, saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, that he may eat bread and drink water. But he lied unto him.
I could go on for some time but you never read Paul saying that the 'word of YHVH' came to him.
Quote Maybe that influenced the false doctrine of the trinity then who knows.
Or even the title 'god the father'.Was Jesus a 'selective savior' were only the enlightened where allowed to join?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:Sadly the apostles often did not understand him either.
Mat 15:15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
Mat 15:16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?Mar 4:10 [ESV] And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables.
Mar 4:11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables,
Mar 4:12 so that “they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.”
Mar 4:13 And he said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?Jesus, the originator of the 'broken home'
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Mat 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Luk 12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Jesus did give one fulfilled prophecy then:
Mat 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
Question: just where was this written?
Luk 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
ISAIAH 53:5
“But he was being pierced for our transgression; he was being crushed for our errors. The chastisement meant for our peace was upon him, and because of his wounds there has been a healing for us.”HOSEA 6:2
“He will make us alive after two days. On the third day he will make us get up, and we shall live before him.”JONAH 1:17
“Now Jehovah appointed a great fish to swallow Jo′nah, so that Jo′nah came to be in the inward parts of the fish three days and three nights.”I'd like to point out something here. Not everyone believes in or has read this Tanakh. Much like the Musulims that don't believe the Bible…they have probably never even read it.
So…to ask someone to point out something to you in this book is all but in vain…save someone decides to read it.
You see this is the problem with man today…that want to argue rather than just pray to GOD. And, ask him to help them and show them the way. However, if you don't believe that Jesus is the Savior your probably (In my belief) not going to get very far with GOD. Because Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Light. So obviously the stepping stone to GOD the way I believe is through JESUS. Point cut and Blank. In my own prayers I have been showed this. I've personally had the spirit of GOD come over me on more than one occasion and sup with me. It is through Jesus that Man gained back what they lost…fellowship directly with GOD.
I know you don't believe this. But I do feel that being that I call my self a Christian…it is my duty to spread the Gospel…and be a testament at the least to the truth that I've found. It's not my duty to get you to believe this…just to let you know about it…thus I have.
May GOD move on your soul, and in your life.
Quote (david @ Nov. 15 2007,15:01) ISAIAH 53:5
“But he was being pierced for our transgression; he was being crushed for our errors. The chastisement meant for our peace was upon him, and because of his wounds there has been a healing for us.”I assume this is NWT? How convenient of the translators to use the word 'pierced'. How consistently does the NWT translate 'chalal' as 'pierced'? How about 'daqar'?
Here how about this?
Isa 53:3 [NWT] He was despised and was avoided by men, a man meant for pains and for having acquaintance with sickness. And there was as if the concealing of one's face from us. He was despised, and we held him as of no account.
What? Despised and avoided by men? How does that compare to this?
Mar 1:28 And immediately his fame spread abroad throughout all the region round about Galilee.
Luk 5:15 But so much the more went there a fame abroad of him: and great multitudes came together to hear, and to be healed by him of their infirmities.
So much for men avoiding him. Just another reason that Is 53 is NOT about Jesus.
Quote HOSEA 6:2
“He will make us alive after two days. On the third day he will make us get up, and we shall live before him.”Where does the two days come in? It says on the third day that we will get up not him. If Hos 6 is about Jesus what about this verse?
Hos 6:6 For in loving-kindness I have taken delight, and not in sacrifice; and in the knowledge of God rather than in whole burnt offerings.
Since Jesus was supposed to be our sacrifice G-d did not seem to delight in him then. Instead YHVH wants us to have love and knowledge of Him.
Quote JONAH 1:17
“Now Jehovah appointed a great fish to swallow Jo′nah, so that Jo′nah came to be in the inward parts of the fish three days and three nights.”
That was Jonah not Jesus.
.Still waiting for real prophecy about Jesus.
Quote (Samuel @ Nov. 15 2007,19:25) I'd like to point out something here. Not everyone believes in or has read this Tanakh. Much like the Musulims that don't believe the Bible…they have probably never even read it. So…to ask someone to point out something to you in this book is all but in vain…save someone decides to read it.
You see this is the problem with man today…that want to argue rather than just pray to GOD. And, ask him to help them and show them the way. However, if you don't believe that Jesus is the Savior your probably (In my belief) not going to get very far with GOD. Because Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Light. So obviously the stepping stone to GOD the way I believe is through JESUS. Point cut and Blank. In my own prayers I have been showed this. I've personally had the spirit of GOD come over me on more than one occasion and sup with me. It is through Jesus that Man gained back what they lost…fellowship directly with GOD.
I know you don't believe this. But I do feel that being that I call my self a Christian…it is my duty to spread the Gospel…and be a testament at the least to the truth that I've found. It's not my duty to get you to believe this…just to let you know about it…thus I have.
May GOD move on your soul, and in your life.
Samuel,Tanakh is what Jewish people call your 'old testament'. It just doesn't have Christian bias in its translation.
I think I know what it is you seek…
You seek the deception that man created to be revealed. You believe that their were huge deceptions in GOD's word…from the original till now.
I believe that man has tried to deceive a great many people as well. I believe those men will have their reward. I would suggest that if you quit looking to MAN for the answers and look to GOD for them you just might find them.
He already knows what you want before you ask him…you know…you just need to ask.
Quote (Samuel @ Nov. 16 2007,16:21) I think I know what it is you seek… You seek the deception that man created to be revealed. You believe that their were huge deceptions in GOD's word…from the original till now.
I believe that man has tried to deceive a great many people as well. I believe those men will have their reward. I would suggest that if you quit looking to MAN for the answers and look to GOD for them you just might find them.
He already knows what you want before you ask him…you know…you just need to ask.
Samuel That is very good advice and I second that. It makes me wonder why Tow does not see how so many Christians died for their Faith in Jesus Christ in the first 3 centuries. They did that because Christ is not what He said in the new Testament what He said He was. To ignore all to me does not make sense at all.Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (Samuel @ Nov. 15 2007,23:21) I think I know what it is you seek… You seek the deception that man created to be revealed. You believe that their were huge deceptions in GOD's word…from the original till now.
I believe that man has tried to deceive a great many people as well. I believe those men will have their reward. I would suggest that if you quit looking to MAN for the answers and look to GOD for them you just might find them.
He already knows what you want before you ask him…you know…you just need to ask.
So just chunk the whole bible then?Quote (IM4Truth @ Nov. 16 2007,02:22) Quote (Samuel @ Nov. 16 2007,16:21) I think I know what it is you seek… You seek the deception that man created to be revealed. You believe that their were huge deceptions in GOD's word…from the original till now.
I believe that man has tried to deceive a great many people as well. I believe those men will have their reward. I would suggest that if you quit looking to MAN for the answers and look to GOD for them you just might find them.
He already knows what you want before you ask him…you know…you just need to ask.
Samuel That is very good advice and I second that. It makes me wonder why Tow does not see how so many Christians died for their Faith in Jesus Christ in the first 3 centuries. They did that because Christ is not what He said in the new Testament what He said He was. To ignore all to me does not make sense at all.Peace and Love Mrs.
I wonder if the number of Christians who died for their faith exceeds the number of Jews who died because of the Christian faith?Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 16 2007,19:54) Quote (Samuel @ Nov. 15 2007,23:21) I think I know what it is you seek… You seek the deception that man created to be revealed. You believe that their were huge deceptions in GOD's word…from the original till now.
I believe that man has tried to deceive a great many people as well. I believe those men will have their reward. I would suggest that if you quit looking to MAN for the answers and look to GOD for them you just might find them.
He already knows what you want before you ask him…you know…you just need to ask.
So just chunk the whole bible then?
I said to do no such thing. I suggested that you ask GOD and not Man for the answers that you seek.He will provide them for you. But first you must believe that Jesus is the Messiah…under what ever language you want to pronounce English it's pronounced Jesus.
You might as well do it now brother. Because it is written that every mouth will confess. Why not confess now? I know, I know you don't believe.
I will pray for you…I will. But you need to pray for yourself as well. I believe that if you believe with your heart and confess with your mouth that GOD will show you a great many things. He has already showed me some things.
I could probably sit around and point out discrepancies in your belief all day and all night…however, I am not come to find faults or to debate…I am come to testify that Jesus Is Christ our Lord and Saviour. Thats what I am come to do. We can go back and forth on here for as long as you want.
This will always be my answer to you. Time and time again. It will never change. Jesus is the way, the Truth and the Light. And, the Truth will set you Free.
Man was the cause of this deception…they are certainly not going to be the solution to it. You need not seek the wisdom of men…you need to seek first the kingdom of GOD. Then pray to him for the wisdom you seek.
Quote (Samuel @ Nov. 17 2007,03:26) Quote (Towshab @ Nov. 16 2007,19:54) Quote (Samuel @ Nov. 15 2007,23:21) I think I know what it is you seek… You seek the deception that man created to be revealed. You believe that their were huge deceptions in GOD's word…from the original till now.
I believe that man has tried to deceive a great many people as well. I believe those men will have their reward. I would suggest that if you quit looking to MAN for the answers and look to GOD for them you just might find them.
He already knows what you want before you ask him…you know…you just need to ask.
So just chunk the whole bible then?
I said to do no such thing. I suggested that you ask GOD and not Man for the answers that you seek.That's what I did
. And that is why I no longer accept the pagan Jesus found in the Christian bible.Quote He will provide them for you. But first you must believe that Jesus is the Messiah…under what ever language you want to pronounce English it's pronounced Jesus. You might as well do it now brother. Because it is written that every mouth will confess. Why not confess now? I know, I know you don't believe.
The Christian bible took YHVH and made him a 'background partner'. The writers even took some things meant only for YHVH and 'gave' them to Jesus. How can they do such?
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Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Isa 45:24 Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
Isa 45:25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
============================================Quote I will pray for you…I will. But you need to pray for yourself as well. I believe that if you believe with your heart and confess with your mouth that GOD will show you a great many things. He has already showed me some things. See the verses above
.Quote I could probably sit around and point out discrepancies in your belief all day and all night…however, I am not come to find faults or to debate…I am come to testify that Jesus Is Christ our Lord and Saviour. Thats what I am come to do. We can go back and forth on here for as long as you want. You could but I think you'd end up doing like everyone else on here and calling me names
.Quote This will always be my answer to you. Time and time again. It will never change. Jesus is the way, the Truth and the Light. And, the Truth will set you Free. Man was the cause of this deception…they are certainly not going to be the solution to it. You need not seek the wisdom of men…you need to seek first the kingdom of GOD. Then pray to him for the wisdom you seek.
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
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