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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 27 2007,12:33) Hi Tow,
As usual the NT fills out the message of the OT.
You wiull always lack if you deny it.Acts 7:53
Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
Galatians 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Hebrews 2:2
For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;Is SOL right?
Colossians 2:18
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Read Nick's own post. He knows the scriptures.Read the following passage carefully.
Most bible translations translate Elemental spirits and elemental principles or rudimentary principles, but Paul was saying that. Scholars realize this and have started translating the truth as here in the ESV.
Colossians 2
8See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy andempty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. 9For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
Let No One Disqualify You
16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, butthe substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by, his sensuous mind, 19and, not, holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20If with Christ, you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21, “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22(referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.The Worship of Angels. This is not about Gnostics this is about Jews who have sabbaths and New Moons. The angels, Elemental Spirits who have placed apon us the Law. Why live like we are under their yoke when Jesus set us Free. See what Christ did here in vs. 14
14by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
He disarmed these angels these elemental spirits and put them to shame through his cross.
The problem is the New Testament has confusing contradictor claims at times. Because it represents the view points of more than one type of early Christianity.
Also, it would be beneficial if you realized that Jesus was a Nazarene Essene (a sect of the Essenes). Once you read up on the them or the Essenes in general. You realize how different they were from pharisee or saducee Judaism. The thought the Old Testement had been corrupted.
The Ten commandments were given by a demonic, fallen, evil angel?
Yes or No.
If yes which of the Ten Commandments are BAD?
Was it Jehovah that gave the Ten Commandments?
The law other than the Ten which were given by God are fulfilled.
The OT people were led by the letter of the law. The NT “children”
of God are led by the Spirit.It is by the Spirit that we keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus. Only a remnant is able to do so. Rev. 12:17; 14:12 and 18:4.
If the Ten commandments are spiritual and good (Rom 7:14) then how is it given by a bad angel?
I'm certainly not wanting to argue or insult you. But because I see the commandments as good and spiritual I wonder (if this is what you are saying) how is it that the commandments were given by a “bad angel”. Unless Moses received laws from two different entities.
Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 28 2007,07:55) The Ten commandments were given by a demonic, fallen, evil angel? Yes or No.
If yes which of the Ten Commandments are BAD?
Was it Jehovah that gave the Ten Commandments?
The law other than the Ten which were given by God are fulfilled.
The OT people were led by the letter of the law. The NT “children”
of God are led by the Spirit.It is by the Spirit that we keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus. Only a remnant is able to do so. Rev. 12:17; 14:12 and 18:4.
If the Ten commandments are spiritual and good (Rom 7:14) then how is it given by a bad angel?
I'm certainly not wanting to argue or insult you. But because I see the commandments as good and spiritual I wonder (if this is what you are saying) how is it that the commandments were given by a “bad angel”. Unless Moses received laws from two different entities.
How do you fulfill Torah? Can you 'fulfill' secular laws? How do you fulfill speeding where it no longer applies? Running a red light? Selling alcohol to minors? Driving under the influence?Quote (Towshab @ Dec. 29 2007,03:52) Quote (kenrch @ Dec. 28 2007,07:55) The Ten commandments were given by a demonic, fallen, evil angel? Yes or No.
If yes which of the Ten Commandments are BAD?
Was it Jehovah that gave the Ten Commandments?
The law other than the Ten which were given by God are fulfilled.
The OT people were led by the letter of the law. The NT “children”
of God are led by the Spirit.It is by the Spirit that we keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus. Only a remnant is able to do so. Rev. 12:17; 14:12 and 18:4.
If the Ten commandments are spiritual and good (Rom 7:14) then how is it given by a bad angel?
I'm certainly not wanting to argue or insult you. But because I see the commandments as good and spiritual I wonder (if this is what you are saying) how is it that the commandments were given by a “bad angel”. Unless Moses received laws from two different entities.
How do you fulfill Torah? Can you 'fulfill' secular laws? How do you fulfill speeding where it no longer applies? Running a red light? Selling alcohol to minors? Driving under the influence?
What?I never said the Ten commandments were done away with. Wow, WJ really shook you up didn't he.
It must be horrible to walk around with a chip on your shoulder ALL THE TIME. You never did know real PEACE….the peace that surpass all understanding and it shows, sorry
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