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Hi charity,
Michael is according to scripture:
One of the Chief angels, and archangel and a prince, a great prince and the prince watching over the Israelites, a warrior in charge of the loyal heavenly host.
Daniel 10:13
But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.Daniel 10:21
But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.Jude 1:9
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,By contrast Christ is never called and angel, or a chief and or an archangel. He is called a prince, Messiah the prince, the prince of peace and life and the Princes of princes.
Daniel 8:25
And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.Daniel 9:25
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous timesActs 3:15
And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 18 2007,13:45) Quote (Unisage @ May 18 2007,13:30) Charity Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.1Co.15:44-46
This indicates that Jesus was not a spirit being before he was born physically. The physical “””body””” comes, then the spiritual “””body”””. When was Jesus declared to be the son of God? by his resurrection from the dead.. Rom.1:4 Just as we will be sons of God by our resurrection from the dead.
That which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of Spirit is spirit John.3:6
It is one or the other. No person can be both at the same time.
Jesus can not be Born Spirit then flesh then Spirit again..It dont work that way.
Hi charity,
He who was with God came and partook of flesh , flesh being added to his spiritual being. He who had no body was given a fleshly one .Then he died and was raised into his flesh body but since that was unable to inherit his heavenly reward he was given a new heavenly body.
We follow him.
NhYou say…
Quote
.Then he died and was raised into his flesh body but since that was unable to inherit his heavenly reward he was given a new heavenly body.Where is this written?
You should not go outside of scripture and make inferrence.
Hi W,
Jn20
'27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 'Lk 24
” 36And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.37But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43And he took it, and did eat before them.”
Christ was raised in his battered old body but as flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom he now has a heavenly body. We too will have the imperishable put over the perishable and be alike to the man from heaven.
1Cor 15
” 42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.”
WJ why have you acused me and not have taken thought and care for your
own soul?WJ YOU SAID..
you should not go outside of scripture and make inferrence.I guess you feel Jesus is saying No Satan you worship Me in this scripture?
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.I Don't wish to play look over here in the cookie jar to Day
no no no
But really' all it dose is stop the learning and fill the pages with sowing corruption
I often choose against doing this sort of stuntNow if I thought you were intertested ?
I would perhaps show you the scriptures I have found?
THAT YOU MAY CONSIDER WHETHER I HAVE A BRAIN OR not?
Or if English is my first second .Langauge?..
perhaps I should move on then, BASED ON MY OWN BAD JUDGEMENTs
RIGHT NOW I can't see the time I would spend making the post to answere you OR Nick beyond this point is helping to heal the hurts of the breach we all must face and over come.Selah
Quote (charity @ May 19 2007,09:04) WJ why have you acused me and not have taken thought and care for your
own soul?WJ YOU SAID..
you should not go outside of scripture and make inferrence.I guess you feel Jesus is saying No Satan you worship Me in this scripture?
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.I Don't wish to play look over here in the cookie jar to Day
no no no
But really' all it dose is stop the learning and fill the pages with sowing corruption
I often choose against doing this sort of stuntNow if I thought you were intertested ?
I would perhaps show you the scriptures I have found?
THAT YOU MAY CONSIDER WHETHER I HAVE A BRAIN OR not?
Or if English is my first second .Langauge?..
perhaps I should move on then, BASED ON MY OWN BAD JUDGEMENTs
RIGHT NOW I can't see the time I would spend making the post to answere you OR Nick beyond this point is helping to heal the hurts of the breach we all must face and over come.Selah
charity
The post was not directed to you. It was addressed to NH.
But I will agree with NH that you speak Heresy to say Jesus is Michael the arch angel!
Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 19 2007,08:56) Hi W,
Jn20
'27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 'Lk 24
” 36And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.37But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43And he took it, and did eat before them.”
Christ was raised in his battered old body but as flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom he now has a heavenly body. We too will have the imperishable put over the perishable and be alike to the man from heaven.
1Cor 15
” 42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.”
NHNone of those scriptures says this…
Quote Then he died and was raised into his flesh body but since that was *unable to inherit his heavenly reward he was given a new heavenly body*. Jesus did not get a new body. The nail prints were still in his hands and the hole in his side where he was peirced.
His body was Glorified Yes, but he still had the same Body.
Hi W,
1Cor 15
“50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.”Christ was still flesh and blood till his ascension to glory.
Now the man from heaven has a heavenly body.
We will be changed to be alike to the heavenly body in an instant.
1Cor 15
' 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.'
1Thess4
” 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. “
So when Christ returns will his
Hey Kejonn.
Some of my thoughts on this are on page 14. i'm still working on organizing my thoughts here.
first we make a false god out of melchizedek, now another out of michael , why must you put a name or even an image on him? for have you not seen him with your own i ? the name michael simply makes a statement that there are none like God ,he is not to be compaired too.
whats up with this michael thing,and then the mel thing ,every one should know by now that jesus truly is just an ant ,you know ever working,prepairing for the end,ha ha …is it so funny to teach false doctrine, should we compaire God to any thing, dont you know him by now? did you know your bible says that satan is God,wow what a compairison, out right blasphemy. read 2 sam 24 and 1 chonicles 21. yet the same bible made melchizedech into God ,and even now men compare michael with our precious LORD jesus , this must be the end with all the false docrine floating around ,and even in the scriptures, be ready for he is comming and when you see him will you say its melchizedech,or michael, hmmm . me will call him yehsuah ,or jesus, and every knee will bow and every toung confess that jesus is LORD.
Quote the name michael simply makes a statement that there are none like God ,he is not to be compaired too. Wouldn't dream of it Michaels, comparing or trying to equate God with Jesus or Michael..
By the way, I would refrain from comparing Jesus to an “ant.”
He sits at the right hand of God, having more power and authority than you can conceive. As scripture says.
Quote did you know your bible says that satan is God
How would you translate 2 Cor 4:4? Is this the scripture you are referring to? My Bible says that he is “the god of this system of things” or world.And truly, he is the “powerful one” or “mighty one” (god) of this world. Look around. Did not Jesus say the ruler of the world would be cast out? Did he not say the ruler of the world has been judged. Did he not say the ruler of the world is coming and he has no hold on me?
He was referring to Satan (meaning “opposer; resistor”)Quote and even now men compare michael with our precious LORD jesus
Well, say he is not Michael if you like, BUT there are many ways in which they are comparable.But you compare Jesus to an ant?
if jesus is mighty God ,everlasting father as it says in isaiah 9:6 ,how can we compair any man, angle,ant, plant, etc… with jesus our mighty God.
Quote (david @ Oct. 16 2007,00:09) Quote did you know your bible says that satan is God
How would you translate 2 Cor 4:4? Is this the scripture you are referring to? My Bible says that he is “the god of this system of things” or world.
no but this also is satan 2 cor 4:4! me was refering to 2 sam 24 in comparison to 1 chronicles 21 , both clearly satan yet they call him YHWH in samual and satan in chronicles.is your God satan read both chapters and Get back to me.may the truth lead you into all TRUTH. for he is God.2 Samuel 24:1 reads:
“And again the anger of Jehovah came to be hot against Israel, when oneincited David against them, saying: ‘Go, take a count of Israel and Judah.’”
The “one” who did the inciting is not there identified.
1 Chronicles 21:1: “Satan proceeded to stand up against Israel and to incite David to number Israel.”
This rendering agrees with the Hebrew text and with translations into Greek, Syriac, and Latin. It is also consistent with the renderings in other translations.—AT, NE, RS, JB, Mo.
However, as some of the footnotes indicate1 Chronicles 21:1 points out, the Hebrew word sa·tan′ can also be rendered “a resister.” (This is in fact exactly what that word means)
Byington translates it “a Satan”; Young’s translation reads, “an adversary.” So it is possible that the “one” moving David to decide on the calamitous course was a bad human counselor.Interestingly, a footnote at 2 Samuel 24:1 shows that this text could be rendered: “And again the anger of Jehovah came to be hot against Israel, when he incited David against them.” The translation in The Bible in Basic English reads: “Again the wrath of the Lord was burning against Israel, and moving David against them, he said, Go, take the number of Israel and Judah.” Hence, some commentators consider that the “one” or “he” who incited David to take the census was Jehovah. His ‘anger against Israel,’ according to this view, predated the census and was due to their recent rebellions against Jehovah and his appointed king, David, when they followed first ambitious Absalom and then the good-for-nothing Sheba, the son of Bichri, in opposition to David. (2Sa 15:10-12; 20:1, 2) Such a viewpoint could be harmonized with the view that Satan or some bad human counselor incited David if the incitement is viewed as something that Jehovah purposely allowed, as by removing his protection or restraining hand.—Compare 1Ki 22:21-23; 1Sa 16:14
Quote if jesus is mighty God ,everlasting father as it says in isaiah 9:6 ,how can we compair any man, angle,ant, plant, etc… with jesus our mighty God. Yes, and if Jehovah is Almighty God, why would we compare the Soveriegn Lord to him or the Father to him or the Creator to him, etc.
My point is that I'm not comparing someone to him. I'm stating that there are reasons to believe that God changed his name when he came to the earth to fulfill this role–as he has changed many other's names.
From David..My point is that I'm not comparing someone to him. I'm stating that there are reasons to believe that God changed his name when he came to the earth to fulfill this role–as he has changed many other's names.
The bible say God does not change..Y do u change him? Are u saying a Father becomes his own son? Can a Spiritual being die?Who raised who from the dead?No one can see God face and live nor hear his voice..Are u saying Jesus is God walking and talking and looking through the world with a pair of eye balls? The bible even say God cant be contain? How much of God was contain in a Human Body?
Quote The bible say God does not change..Y do u change him? I do not believe Jesus is God, as you may. The question of whether God changed Jesus name before and after his being sent to the earth to fulfill a new role centers around Jesus, not God. I do not believe Jesus is God Almighty.
All your questions to me seem to indicate that I believe in the trinity. Which confuses me, because I don't.Actually, looking at your questions again, I have no idea what you're talking about or why you are asking me these questions.
Quote (david @ Nov. 08 2007,10:29) Quote The bible say God does not change..Y do u change him? I do not believe Jesus is God, as you may. The question of whether God changed Jesus name before and after his being sent to the earth to fulfill a new role centers around Jesus, not God. I do not believe Jesus is God Almighty.
All your questions to me seem to indicate that I believe in the trinity. Which confuses me, because I don't.Actually, looking at your questions again, I have no idea what you're talking about or why you are asking me these questions.
Sorry Dave I read so much..I misunderstood you…However; I dont believe that the Messiah is God either..Genesis 48:15
15And he blessed Joseph and said,“The God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked,
the God who has been my shepherd all my life long to this day,
16the angel who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the boys;
and in them let my name be carried on, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac;
and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.”What? Jacob's God who has been his shepherd, THE ANGEL.
And this Verse:
Hebrews 1:9
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.”God has a God? Wow!!!! God has companions? Wow, you mean the other Sons of Gods over the nations who fell and became powers and principalities.
John 16
1″All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. 2They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. 3They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. 4I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you. I did not tell you this at first because I was with you.
Wow people don't really understand who the God of Israel is and how he operates?!!
Isaiah 9:6 LXX
6 For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel [Angel of great counsel]: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him. 7 His government shall be great, and of his peace there is no end: it shall be upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to support it with judgment and with righteousness, from henceforth and forever. The seal of the Lord of hosts shall perform this.What the messiah is the Angel of Great counsel!!!!?
Could the God of Israel be the Angel of Great counsel and the Messiah???!!!
Deuteronomy 32:8-9
8When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.
9But the LORD’s [YHVH] portion is his people,Wow could the God of Israel be the Son of God who inherited Israel from the Father the Most High???
But I thought YHVH was the Father's name??
Genesis 19:24
24Then the LORD (YHVH) rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the LORD (YHVH) out of heaven. (Read the verses preceding this verse and you see it is the angel talking to Lot who is to be doing the destroying and he promises not to also destroy a near by village called Zoar where Lot wanted to flee to. Jesus was that angel.)Exodus 23:20
20 “Behold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared. 21Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.Jesus agrees in the Garden Prayer.
John 17:10-12
10 All who are mine belong to you, and you have given them to me, so they bring me glory. 11 Now I am departing from the world; they are staying in this world, but I am coming to you. Holy Father, you have given me your name; now protect them by the power of your name so that they will be united just as we are. 12 During my time here, I protected them by the power of the name you gave me.Philippians 2:9-11
9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.OHHH they share that name as ONE!!!!!
Deuteronomy 6:4
4″Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
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