Jesus, Michael?

[david]

It's not.

We're right now discussing Christmas in the trinity thread and this thread. Shouldn't you be moderating this? (just kidding) But shoudln't you?

As I said in that other thread:

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For some weird reason, you equate “not working” with “celebrating.” This is false. However, I am self employed and barely work at all, really. (Hence, I'm on here a lot.) The people we work with do not do business on that day. It is literally impossible for me to work on that day. I did notice that you or your posts seemed to dissappear completely on that day and the following days. My routine didn't change in the slightest. I wonder where you were. But when we look at the ancient cultures that celebrated these pagan holidays and held them as special, and the customs that were associated with them, you won't find that I have anything to do with them. Nick, have you ever thought that because you hold this day as special, that you are in effect supporting a lie? It's not Jesus birth, for example. Yet, it is celebrated as such. For some reason, when ever this subject is mentioned, you start using the word “judgment.” If someone is lying, or practicing paganism and I use scripture to denounce such things, is that judging? If someone is supporting the trinity belief and you use scripture to denounce such things, is that judging? Being a Christian, a true follower of Christ, isn't supposed to be easy Nick. Just wondering what troubles you come up against in your normal life because of your beliefs.

My day on Dec 25 isn't a whole lot different from any other day. I have it off, because as I said, I can't work when there is no one there to do business for. And it's like most any other day, because I don't work a lot anyway.

[charity]

Hi David

I praise the birth of Jesus everyday
Not just one day a year

I had some JW's come knock on the door today
They love God very much; Nice people
Its so true the whole of creation awaits in way or another

charity

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
I agree that we can rejoice even now.
Michael is not Jesus or any other created angelic being.
David why do you accuse us when you have said you do the same?
Surely you must be able to show how you treat the 25th of December differently from us?

[david]

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I had some JW's come knock on the door today

I've heard that at least a few times on this thread, of Jehovah's Witnesses coming to them.

MATTHEW 24:14
“And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”

[david]

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I had some JW's come knock on the door today They love God very much; Nice people

I would like to apologize for much of my less then kind words on this forum. Often I find this forum a test in frustration and patience. Nick has taught me patience. CB and many others who regurgitate the same stuff over and over without being able to actually converse on it has taught me how to handle frustration. Actually, I'm still working on that one.

[david]

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David why do you accuse us when you have said you do the same? Surely you must be able to show how you treat the 25th of December differently from us?

Nick, if we are currently discussing this in 2 Christmas threads, why even mention it here? Is it because I have actually shown you how I treat it differently on those sites? Perhaps.

Since I”ve already explained to you my normal Dec 25th day and since I”ve asked you about 3 times in the past hour to explain what occurs on your day and what that day looks like, it makes me wonder why you won't answer.

How can I even compare my day to yours if you refuse to tell me about yours?

Huh?

[NickHassan]

Hi david,
Diversion speaks louder than oops.
You judge without being able to justify your own stance.

Michael is a mighty created angelic being.

[charity]

Quote (david @ Feb. 10 2007,07:33)

Quote I had some JW's come knock on the door today They love God very much; Nice people I would like to apologize for much of my less then kind words on this forum.  Often I find this forum a test in frustration and patience.  Nick has taught me patience.  CB and many others who regurgitate the same stuff over and over without being able to actually converse on it has taught me how to handle frustration.  Actually, I'm still working on that one.

I feel for them in a lot ways
they really are standing on the things they believe to be closest to God
Like all of us do

I am more than willing to acknowledge them in the things that are proven by the word
I do like to use the KJV, but even so that is any translation

david YOUR FORGIVEN BEFORE YOU ASK

Charity

[david]

Diversion?

Ummmm. Ya.

If you're talking about me talking about Christmas, on the last page YOU TOOK US off topic with this statement:

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Hi david, Your judgements do not bother me but I would like to know what I am accused of before the axe falls. How is your life different on 25 dec.?

[NickHassan]

Hi david,
And we wait with bated breath for that answer. How do you treat the day differently?
You accept from outside of scripture that Jesus is Michael so you must be able to define this sin for us surely?
What do the JWs leaders tell you to say in answer to this question?

I can wait while you look it up.

[charity]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 10 2007,07:29)

Hi charity, I agree that we can rejoice even now. Michael is not Jesus or any other created angelic being. David why do you accuse us when you have said you do the same? Surely you must be able to show how you treat the 25th of December differently from us?

I know what’s in my heart Nick

I sit down and eat the meal and praise God in my heart

And yes I HATE ABONDNATION BEFORE God
I may speck if its seems right

And I still think Christ is an Angel from God

I am free to move from any foundation
So feel free to shake them, I shall only praise you for it
rather than be found deceived

God bless

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
No problem thinking such things.
But please do not teach them unless you find that scripture teaches it too, for your own sake and that of those who learn from you.
We need to abide in the Word to be faithful to Christ.
I am happy to see any such teaching you find in the Word but I do not believe you will find it there.

[david]

Charity, be of good cheer.

Nick, often doesn't know what he is talking about. We are learning that more and more, as you can see.

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And I still think Christ is an Angel from God

There are many on this thread who believe that as well and discussed it at length. Nick has trouble with the word “angel” and the fact that it is the exact same word as “messenger” in the Bible.
He also has trouble with the fact that in his mind, angels have wings, real wings, to fly, I guess, and when Jesus was on earth, no one mentioned wings.
It just doesn't fit into Nick's “possibility spectrum” because it goes against his ideas, but doesn't go against the Bible.

Of course, Nick says it's ok to 'think' such things. Just don't “teach them unless you find that scripture that teaches it too.”
Of course, there are many scriptures that indicate that Jesus is God's chief angel, the angel of the Lord. We don't even have to go that far. The very word in Greek is the exact same as the word messenger. They are the very exact same word. Jesus was without question God's chief messenger, his chief angel.

[NickHassan]

Hi david,
Scripture is more educational than bluster.

[charity]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 10 2007,07:54)

Hi charity, No problem thinking such things. But please do not teach them unless you find that scripture teaches it too, for your own sake and that of those who learn from you. We need to abide in the Word to be faithful to Christ. I am happy to see any such teaching you find in the Word but I do not believe you will find it there.

thankyou Nick
I am no teacher by no means

I just studie and share what I find

I do hear you never ignored
I shall take a seat

charity

[NickHassan]

Hi dear one,
We just need to sift out man's follies from God's revelations.

[NickHassan]

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[NickHassan]

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[charity]

Unawares Have we not heard to Entertained Jesus as an Angel of God?

Hbr 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Hbr 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

One can ONLY Answerer Yes or No?

Hbr 13:1 ¶ Let brotherly love continue.

Hbr 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; [and] them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body. Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
So that we may boldly say, The Lord [is] my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me. ¶ Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of [their] conversation.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For [it is] a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
Is english not your first language?
The question posed in Hebrews is ironical CONTRASTING the Son of God with the angels, not asking which ANGEL was spoken to in this way.

To entertain mighty angels is a privilege for men but Christ was never found to be one of them.

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