Jesus – LORD God – the evidence.

[Anonymous]

The word “angel” simply means “messenger”, and has no other inherent connotation in it. It can refer to Jesus/ Michael – GOD [the Son, Uncreated Creator], or even of the Holy Spirit [God, Uncreated Creator], being “sent” from the Father [God, Uncreated Creator], or it may also refer to man, or to an “angel” [angelic being of the heavenly host, a created being]. The context always dictates to the additional connotation that word “angel” is to have throughout. We shall come to this a bit later for specific examples and comparisons.

Again, the context is speaking of the Father and of the Son [both Uncreated Creator; Hebrews 1:8], and so when we come to Hebrews 1:5 and its “angel” passage [already knowing that the word “angel” simply means “messenger”, and it is the context which further declares connotation], we then consider the context, that this “angel” passage is referring to those “angels” which are of the created Heavenly Host, like Gabriel, Cherubim, Seraphim, Lucifer etc. For the passages of Hebrews are showing how Christ Jesus [GOD, the Son] is above all that which is created, He is ruler [some passages KJV use the word “prince” “sar”] of all.
 
Some, then who cannot admit these things, then ask if Jesus sinned?

No, Christ Jesus never commited any sin, at any point ever, neither before, nor after taking upon himself humanity.

“…lamb shall be without blemish…” [Exodus 12:5]

“…the innocent blood…”[Matthew 27:4]

“… lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him.”[Luke 23:15]

“… this man hath done nothing amiss.” [Luke 23:41]

“…I have kept my Father's commandments…” [John 15:10]

“… I find in him no fault [at all].”[John 18:38]

“… I find no fault in him.” [John 19:4]

“… I find no fault in him.”[John 19:6]

“…the obedience of one…” [Romans 5:19]

“…who knew no sin…” [2 Corinthians 5:21]

“…without sin.” [Hebrews 4:15]

“…[who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners…” [Hebrews 7:26]

“Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:”[1 Peter 2:22]

“…in him is no sin.”[1 John 3:5]

“How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God…”Hebrews 9:4;p

Is Christ Jesus also called “the Apostle”[Hebrews 3:1], “messenger of the covenant”[Malachi 3:1], “the angel of His presence”[Isaiah 63:9], “sent of the Father” [John 5:23], “the presence of God”[Psalms 68:8], “the Angel of the Lord”[Exodus 3:2], “his angel”[Daniel 3:28]?
 
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS about MICHAEL ARCHANGEL/JESUS texts:Question 1:

Did MICHAEL/JESUS need help in fighting against Satan who was interfering with the Kings of Persia?:

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. Daniel 10:13

Answer 1:

No. It was the created angelic being “Gabriel”[withstood me] who needed the aid of MICHAEL/JESUS to fend off Satan[prince of the Kingdom of Persia] from interfering with the Kings of Persia, let us look at some context of this verse to see this and fill in some background:

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia [Satan] withstood me [Gabriel] one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael [Pre-incarnate JESUS], one of the chief princes, came to help me [Gabriel]; and I [Gabriel] remained there with the kings of Persia. (Daniel 10:13)

How can we be sure of this? By the context:

In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing [was] true, but the time appointed [was] long: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision. Daniel 10:1

In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks. Daniel 10:2

I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled. Daniel 10:3

And in the four and twentieth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, which [is] Hiddekel; Daniel 10:4

Daniel has a vision, which follows up the previous ones in Daniel 2, 7, 8[Chapter 8's vision is not completely explained and is explained further in Chapter 9-12]

Then Daniel sees
JESUS CHRIST/MICHAEL HIMSELF in vision. How shall we know this?

By comparing scripture with scripture [However, to know this for sure and to fully answer this question, it will be further addressed in a question and answer to come.]

Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins [were] girded with fine gold of Uphaz: Daniel 10:5

His body also [was] like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. Daniel 10:6

And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. Daniel 10:7

Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. Daniel 10:8

Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground. Daniel 10:9

Daniel, upon seeing this “great vision” of JESUS CHRIST/MICHAEL, faints. These passages will be later compared to others in a following question and answer, so that all may know for certain that Daniel, indeed saw CHRIST JESUS.

But now, after fainting, another“hand touched” Daniel. Who is this? It is “Gabriel”. This very same “hand” of the angelic created being “Gabriel” also comes to Daniel, being “sent” of JESUS CHRIST, in his other visions to help Daniel to “understand” the visions.

Compare Daniel Seeing JESUS/MICHAEL then fainting afterwards and getting help by Gabriel being sent of JESUS, “then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground” in Daniel 10:9 and Compare to Daniel 8:18“I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground”

Daniel then speaks with Gabriel:

Compare“I am come for thy words” in Daniel 10:12, also “sent” in Daniel 10:11 to Daniel 9:21“being caused to fly swiftly” and Daniel 9:22“And he informed [me], and talked with me” and Daniel 9:23“I am come to shew [thee]” and Daniel 8:17“So he came near where I stood”

Compare “hand” in Daniel 10:10 to Daniel 9:21“touched me” and Daniel 8:18“he touched me, and set me upright”

Compare“understand” in Daniel 10:11-14 to Daniel 9:22 “skill and understanding” and Daniel 9:23“therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.” and Daniel 9:25 “Know therefore and understand” and Daniel 8:16“make this [man] to understand the vision” and Daniel 8:17“Understand, O son of man” and Daniel 8:19“Behold, I will make thee know” and Daniel 7:16 “So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.”

Compare“for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart” and “to chasten thyself before thy God” and “thy words were heard” in Daniel 10:12 to Daniel 9:23“At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth” and Daniel 8:15 “sought for the meaning” and Daniel 7:16“asked him the truth of all this” and Daniel 7:19 “Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast”

Compare “O man greatly beloved” in Daniel 10:19 to Daniel 9:21“for thou [art] greatly beloved”

Compare“like the appearance of a man” in Daniel 10:18 to Daniel 9:21“even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning“ and Daniel 8:15“behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man” and Daniel 8:16“Gabriel“ and Daniel 7:16“one of them that stood by”And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and [upon] the palms of my hands. Daniel 10:10

And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling. Daniel 10:11

Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and
to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. Daniel 10:12But the prince of the kingdom of Persia [Satan] withstood me [Gabriel] one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael [Pre-incarnate JESUS], one of the chief princes, came to help me [Gabriel]; and I [Gabriel] remained there with the kings of Persia. (Daniel 10:13)

Gabriel continues speaking to Daniel about events happening and yet to occur:

Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision [is] for [many] days. Daniel 10:14

And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb. Daniel 10:15

And, behold, [one] like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength. Daniel 10:16

For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me. Daniel 10:17

Then there came again and touched me [one] like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me, Daniel 10:18

And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace [be] unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me. Daniel 10:19

Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. Daniel 10:20

But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and [there is] none that holdeth with me [Gabriel] in these things, but Michael your prince. Daniel 10:21

Notice that this last text in Daniel 10 again verifies that MICHAEL/JESUS is more knowledgable than Gabriel[and of course, He – Jesus – is God!], who has been speaking with Daniel the whole time about future events and prophecy. Notice that this text reveals that MICHAEL/JESUS is Daniels “Prince”[“your prince”]. The very “MESSIAH THE PRINCE”.

Please refer back to the OP for more “Prince” texts of MICHAEL/JESUS.

We will also notice that in the Hebrew, there is no Chapter division, and Chapter 11, we see Gabriel continuing to speak…

Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, [even] I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him. Daniel 11:1

And now will I shew thee the truth. …Daniel 11:2;p etc.

A side question, usually raised… How then can Moses be raised ahead of Christ Jesus and be taken to Heaven?
 
Moses was raised in promise of the fulfillment of Christ's own resurrection to come [“he was raised to immortal life, holding his title in the name of the Redeemer”], and thus even appears on the Mount of Transfiguration raised, being sent of the Father, and so speaking with Christ Jesus who was about to go to Jerusalem to die and be raised. Moses could not have been raised beforehand otherwise. Therefore, all who are raised, are only raised because Christ Jesus was crucified, died and was raised [He being the firstfruits, and firstborn [iow, the pre-eminent]], etc.
 
Question 2:

Is not Gabriel the “Angel of HIS Presence”?: And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. (Luke 1:11)

And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings. (Luke 1:19) Answer 2:

No, Gabriel is not the “Angel of HIS Presence”, but rather MICHAEL/JESUS is. Notice where Gabriel appears, “on the right side of the altar of incense”.

Gabriel is “an angel of the LORD” that is said to “stand in the presence of GOD”, which is different than the “Angel of HIS Presence”.

Standing in another's presence is different than being the actual“presence of GOD” as MICHAEL/JESUS is:

In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. (Isaiah 63:9)

Also notice that “the Angel of HIS Presence” was the one who saved them, and in HIS pity and love HE redeemed them, and that it was HE who bore them and carried them all the days of old. It was the “Angel [sent, messenger]of HIS [the Father's] Presence” that was afflicted in all their affliction. That is none other than MICHAEL/CHRIST JESUS[whom has always, “…loved thee with an everlasting love…”Jeremiah 31:3;p]:

Thou hast with [thine] arm redeemed thy people,… (Psalms 77:15;p)

… the LORD, who redeemed Abraham… (Isaiah 29:22;p)

But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called [thee] by thy name; thou [art] mine. (Isaiah 43:1)

Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done [it]… for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel. (Isaiah 44:23;p)

Go ye forth of Babylon…say ye, The LORD hath redeemed his servant Jacob. (Isaiah 48:20;p)

But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. (Isaiah 53:5)

… he shall bear their iniquities. (Isaiah 53:11;p)

The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, [saying], Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee. (Jeremiah 31:3)

For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him…(Jeremiah 31:11;p)

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. (John 17:5)

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS about MICHAEL ARCHANGEL/JESUS texts (continued):

Question 3:

“Is the SON of GOD, JESUS/MICHAEL, ever referred to as an “Angel” directly in the scripture [as Messenger of the FATHER, not a created being of the Heavenly Host]?”

Answer 3:

Yes. In Exodus 3:

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush … Exodus 3:2;p

And when the LORD saw … God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses… Exodus 3:4;p

And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest [is] holy ground. Exodus 3:5[recompare to Joshua before the “Captain of the Host of the LORD” [Joshua 5:14-15] – JESUS/MICHAEL]

Moreover he said, I [am] the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God. Exodus 3:6

And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people … and have heard their cry … for I know their sorrows; Exodus 3:7;p

And I am come down to deliver … Exodus 3:8;p

… I have also seen the oppression … Exodus 3:9;p

And Moses said unto God, Behold, [when] I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What [is] his name? what shall I say unto them? Exodus 3:13

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: …, I AM hath sent me unto you. Exodus 3:14;p

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this [is] my name for ever
, and this [is] my memorial unto all generations. Exodus 3:15

Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and [seen] that which is done to you in Egypt: Exodus 3:16

Yet, let us also hear and take notice what the wicked shall say:

And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, The LORD hath not appeared unto thee. Exodus 4:1

GOD HIMSELF, the SON [the Messenger/Sent/Angel/Apostle of GOD the FATHER] came down, MICHAEL, HE hath Descended and gave evidence… and GOD says:

That they may believe that the LORD God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee. Exodus 4:5

Also, Yes. In Daniel Chapter 3, there is a direct reference to JESUS. There the SON of GOD is directly referred to as an “Angel”[as Messenger of the FATHER, not a created being of the Heavenly Host]:

… Lo, I see four men loose, … the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. (Daniel 3:25;p)

… Blessed [be] the God …, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants … that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God. (Daniel 3:28;p)

In fact, the whole of the Book of Daniel is truly about JESUS CHRIST/MICHAEL, just as the Book of Revelation is:

Yea, the whole Book of Daniel is about CHRIST JESUS/MICHAEL, the very “GOD/LORD/MOST HIGH GOD”[throughout the Book of Daniel, ie see Daniel 9:4, compare to Exodus 20:6 and John 14:15, etc] of Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah, and even later in life, Nebuchadnezzar…and it reveals the Love of HIM who is ever loving, ever watchful, ever interested, ever faithful, ever among HIS people and ever working on our behalf…

JESUS is seen as:

the “…Stone…” in Daniel 2:35,45

as “…the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.” in Daniel 3:25

as “…[one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven,…” in Daniel 7:13

as “…the Prince of the host…” in Daniel 8:11

as “…the Prince of Princes…” in Daniel 8:25

as “…MESSIAH the Prince…” and “…MESSIAH…” in Daniel 9:25-26[see Isaiah 61:1; John 1:41, 4:25; Luke 4:18; Acts 4:27, 10:38, etc]

as “…he…” who “…shall confirm the covenant …with many…” in Daniel 9:27[see Matthew 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:20; 1 Corinthians 11:25; Hebrews 2:3, 12:24, etc]

as “…a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins [were] girded with fine gold of Uphaz: His body also [was] like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude…” in Daniel 10:5-6

as “the Prince of the Covenant” in Daniel 11:22

as “…MICHAEL…”, “…your Prince…“, “…chief prince…”, “…Great Prince which standeth for thy people…” in Daniel 10:13,21, 12:1

Yes, in so many other places [Joshua, Manoah, etc.] as is already witnessed in previous posts.

We may also consider that which is stated in Malachi Chapter 3 of JESUS, as the “Messenger of the Covenant”, which is a direct reference to the passages in Daniel:

Behold, I will send my messenger[John the Baptist, the forerunner, voice of one crying in the wilderness], and he shall prepare the way before me [Christ Jesus]: and the Lord [Christ Jesus], whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his[Christ Jesus] temple, even the messenger of the covenant[Christ Jesus], whom ye delight in: behold, he[Christ Jesus] shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 3:1)

Again, the word “angel” in reference to CHRIST JESUS/MICHAEL[caps merely referring to GOD, Uncreated Creator, as opposed to created creature] in no way signifies HIM as created, for the words simply means “sent”, “messenger” and the context always dictates whether that which is in reference with it is the ETERNAL SELF-EXISTANT CREATOR GOD THE SON [MICHAEL/JESUS] and even the ETERNAL SELF-EXISTANT CREATOR GOD the HOLY SPIRIT[the “COMFORTER”; John 15:26] is sent [“send”] or someone who is a created being, deriving their life from the CREATOR, like “the angel” “Gabriel” or a Prophet like “John the Baptist”, etc.
 
“Angel”…

We are going to look at this word “angel” a little more later in another Question and Answer, that it is used even in reference to mere men, but let us for the moment go back to an objection that sometimes is raised in regards to Question 1.

Some have said that the passage in Daniel 10:21 and Daniel 11:1 show that it was MICHAEL who needed help because of the verse which says, “…I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him” [Daniel 11:1;p], and these take the words “strengthen him” and use them to say that “Gabriel” strengthened “MICHAEL”, the “him”, but let us look even closer at these two texts to see that this is not so:

Yet, Jesus [Michael] was not the one who needed help as the Answer to Question 1 shows, but so that we may further see that…

The context reveals that it was Gabriel, who warred against Satan and needed the assistance from Michael [Jesus], and it was then that Gabriel came to Daniel, after being waylaid, and finally comes to “stand” for, “confirm” and to “strengthen” the “King of Persia”, “Darius the Mede”, the very “him” of the same verse in Daniel 11:1.

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia [Satan] withstood me [Gabriel] one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael [Jesus], one of the chief princes, came to help me [Gabriel]; and I [Gabriel]remained there with the kings of Persia. Daniel 10:13

But I [Gabriel] will shew thee [Daniel] that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and [there is] none that holdeth with me [Gabriel] in these things, but Michael [Jesus] your [Daniel/Israel] prince. Daniel 10:21

…again there is no actual Chapter divisions in the Hebrew…so we continue as normal, with Gabriel speaking…
Also I [Gabriel] in the first year of Darius the Mede, [even] I [Gabriel], stood to confirm and to strengthen him. Daniel 11:1

Here is some of the pre-context, in which Gabriel is sent by Jesus to Daniel, for we will notice that even in the previous visions it was Gabriel that always touched Daniel by his hand:

And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and [upon] the palms of my hands. (Daniel 10:10)

And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling. (Daniel 10:11)

Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words. (Daniel 10:12)

Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, [even] I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him. Daniel 11:1

Again, looking at the text of Daniel 11:1…

“Also I”[the “I” is Gabriel, the one still speaking to Daniel]“in the first year of Darius the Mede“[the only other person mentioned in this text]“[even] I”[the “I” is again Gabriel, who is still speaking]“stood to confirm and to strengthen him” [the words “confirm” and to “strengthen” are in regards to the “him” [Darius the Mede]. To “confirm” means to make to be “courageous, make resolute, to support” and to “strengthen” means to be a “place of refuge, a bulwark”].

Because of the manipulation of Satan [the prince of the kingdom of Persia; Daniel 10:13;p] behind the scenes, trying to prevent the prophecies of God, Gabriel was sent to strengthen Darius to fulfill the word of the Lord.

The text is Chiastically sealed. A, B, A1, B1A = “I”, GabrielB = “Darius the Mede”A1 = “I”, GabrielB1 = “him”[again “Darius the Mede”]

Yet none even have to take my word for it, perhaps we may also consider another valuable commentary [not that they are the guide]? if not the context itself:

“Here, 1. The angel Gabriel lets Daniel know the good service he has done to the Jewish nation (v. 1): “In the first year of Darius the Mede, who destroyed Babylon and released the Jews out of that house of bondage, I stood a strength and fortress to him, that is, I was instrumental to protect him, and give him success in his ward, and, after he had conquered Babylon, to confirm him in his resolution to release the Jews,’’ which, it is likely, met with much opposition.” – Matthew Henry Commentary.

…now let us look at this word “Angel”… but first…

[Anonymous]

…a look at the Mount Of Transfiguration again…
 
Furthermore the LORD was angry with me for your sakes, and sware that I should not go over Jordan… Deuteronomy 4:21;p

But I must die in this land, I must not go over Jordan… Deuteronomy 4:22;p

So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. Deuteronomy 34:5

And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. Deuteronomy 34:6

Notice that it was “the LORD” who buried Moses “in a valley in the land of Moab”, so that “no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.” Christ Jesus/Michael kept the burial place of Moses a secret, so that they [the peoples Israel] would not seek to worship him in death, nor his place of burial.

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed aboutthe body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Jude 1:9

Notice that Michael [“Who is like unto God?”], contends with the devil who is resisting Him about raising Moses to life, hence “disputed about the body of Moses”. For the devil [satan] claimed Moses was his captive in death [“…him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.”Hebrews 2:14;p], since Moses had sinned in striking the rock twice, disobeying the LORD, who had said, only speak to it [Numbers 20:8].

Since Christ Jesus is Michael, we know that JESUS is the “…I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live” John 11:25;p

We see that Moses was raised from the Dead and the Grave by MICHAEL [for whose voice can raise the dead?, “the Lord himself shall descend from heaven …with the voice of the archangel…the dead in Christ shall rise…”1 Thessalonians 4:16;p]?

Turning to the Gospels:

…Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, Matthew 17:1;p

And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. Matthew 17:2

“transfigured before them”, in their direct eyesight.
And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. (Matthew 17:3)[Elijah never died, for he was translated alive and taken up into Heaven]

“behold”: “idou” “ἰδού”; meaning: “1) behold, see, lo[ok]”[Strong's Concordance] [see also Thayer's Lexicon and Vine's Expository]

“appeared”: “optanomai” “ὀπτάνομαι”; meaning: “1) to look at, behold; 2) to allow one's self to be seen, to appear”[Strong's Concordance] [see also Thayer's Lexicon and Vine's Expository]

And when the disciples heard [it], they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. Matthew 17:6

And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. Matthew 17:8

Notice, that after falling upon their faces and hiding, they then lifted their “eyes” and “saw no man, save jesus only”, which means that they had literally seen two others [context], namely Moses and Elijah [Elias] before.

And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. (Mark 9:4)-take careful note that this appearance of Moses and Elijah was no mere dream or vision, but truly happened –

They saw “Moses” actually “talking with Jesus”
.But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. Luke 9:32

Notice this passage says that they were “awake”[and some translations say, “fully awake”; ASV, BBE, DET, WEB, etc] and “saw his glory” and “the two men that stood with him”.And they kept that saying with themselves, questioning one with another what the rising from the dead should mean. (Mark 9:10)

Notice, that once they had seen the resurrected Moses and the Translated Elijah [Elias], they [Peter, james and John] then questioned Jesus on their resurrection, saying “the rising from the dead should mean”… , for they had truly seen Moses “ris[en] from the dead” and glorified in white raiment.…Now to Peter's later account.For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 2 Peter 1:16

For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 2 Peter 1:17

And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. 2 Peter 1:18

Notice, Peter specifically says that they were “with him [Jesus] in the holy mount” and were “eyewitnesses”[they literally saw the event] of the Transfiguration of Jesus Christ, and “heard” “the voice”[of the Father].

“eyewitnesses”: “epoptēs” “ἐπόπτης”; meaning: “1) an overseer, inspector; 2) spectator, eye witness of anything“[Strong's Concordance]; “…to be used here to designate those privileged to be present at the heavenly spectacle of the transfiguration of Christ.” Thayer's lexicon]; “Eyewitness: primarily “an overseer” (epi, “over”), then, a “spectator, an eye-witness” of anything, is used in 2 Peter 1:16 of those who were present at the transfiguration of Christ. … Cp. epopteuo, “to behold,” 1 Peter 2:12, 3:2.” [Vine's Expository]

“Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses…” (Romans 5:14;p), for we see that Christ Jesus/Michael Raised Moses, for Enoch and Elijah never died, [There is an awesome typology given here [Moses, Elijah and Jesus, all glorified] that Peter also addresses in His epistles, which can be discussed later],while others were raised and died again, awaiting their resurrection still in sleep [as all of scripture describes], but yet others like the Saducees of old, are actually denying the resurrection, by teaching the spiritism of Roman [Platonic dualism] theology….

The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, Matthew 22:23

Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying, Mark 12:18

Then came to [him] certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him, Luke 20:27

“For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection…” Acts 23:8;p

…yet we see Jesus said to them…

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. Matthew 22:29

But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, Matthew 22:31

And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I [am] the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? Mark 12:26

But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Luke 20:35

Neither can they die any more … Luke 20:36;p

Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham… Isaac, and … Jacob.Luke 20:37;p

For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him. Luke 20:38

He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err. Mark 12:27

Now, let us head off some more questions…

[1.] Since Jesus is the “Apostle”, where from is He this “Apostle”? From “Heaven”, the “sent” of the Father. And one who is “sent”, as Jesus was, is a “messenger”, and thus fits the definition of “angel”, which simply means “messenger”.

[2.] It is impossible for John the Baptist[forerunner] to be both messengers of Malachi 3:1, for the first was to testify of the other:

The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe. John 1:7

He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light. John 1:8

John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. John 1:15

And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all [men] come to him. John 3:26

Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. John 3:28

There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. John 5:32

Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth. John 5:33

But I have greater witness than [that] of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. John 5:36

…and so let us consider that which is stated in Malachi Chapter 3 of JESUS, as the “Messenger of the Covenant”, which is a direct reference to the passages in Daniel:

as “…MESSIAH the Prince…” and “…MESSIAH…” in Daniel 9:25-26 [see Isaiah 61:1; John 1:41, 4:25; Luke 4:18; Acts 4:27, 10:38, etc]

as “…he…” who “…shall confirm the covenant …with many…” in Daniel 9:27[see Matthew 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:20; 1 Corinthians 11:25; Hebrews 2:3, 12:24, etc]

as “the Prince of the Covenant” in Daniel 11:22

as “…MICHAEL…”, “…your Prince…“, “…chief prince…”, “…Great Prince which standeth for thy people…” in Daniel 10:13,21, 12:1

Behold, I will send mymessenger[John the Baptist, the forerunner, voice of one crying in the wilderness], and he shall prepare the way before me [Christ Jesus]: and the Lord [Christ Jesus], whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his[Christ Jesus] temple, even the messenger of the covenant[Christ Jesus], whom ye delight in: behold, he[Christ Jesus] shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 3:1)

[3.] See also: For he said, Surely they [are] my people, children [that] will not lie: so he was their Saviour. Isaiah 63:8

In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and
in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old. Isaiah 63:9

Therefore “the angel of his presence” which “saved them”, being “their Saviour” and “in his love” and “in his pity”, that “he redeemed them” and “he bare them” and “carried them” “all the days of old”… is none other than Christ Jesus/Michael, the very “angel [messenger] of his [the Father's] presence”.

Perhaps you might consider even Matthew Henry's Commentary, for he further links these passages to Michael/Christ Jesus [please consider reading the whole commentary on that section even beyond what is here given]:

“…But this is rather to be understood of Jesus Christ, the eternal Word, that angel of whom God spoke to Moses (Ex. 23:20, 21), whose voice Israel was to obey. He is called Jehovah, Ex. 13:21; 14:21, 24. He is the angel of the covenant, God’s messenger to the world, Mal. 3:1. He is the angel of God’s face, for he is the express image of his person; and the glory of God shines in the face of Christ. He that was to work out the eternal salvation, as an earnest of that, wrought out the temporal salvations that were typical of it. (3.)…” – Blue Letter Bible – Commentaries – Matthew Henry – Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible

[4.] Thank you. Reference, John 5:23, Jesus is the “sent of the Father”.

[5.] Not finding, could be due to translation used? “the presence of God”[Psalms 68:8], please allow me to quote from the KJV:“The earth shook, the heavens also dropped at the presence of God: [even] Sinai itself [was moved] at the presence of God, the God of Israel.” Psalms 68:8; therefore we know it is in reference to Christ Jesus/Michael.

[6.] in Regards to Exodus 3:2, “the angel of the LORD”, being Christ Jesus, is not 'that' contested but this too has now been shown, that this is GOD [the Son], Christ Jesus, the very “angel [messenger] of the LORD [the Father]“, we shall fully dicuss the texts on the Deity of Jesus…

[7.]“his angel”[Daniel 3:28]; cannot be any simple created 'angelic' being, due to the very context of Daniel 3, for by that context, it can only be Christ Jesus/Michael, the very “angel of the LORD”:If it be [so], our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver [us] out of thine hand, O king. Daniel 3:17

He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. Daniel 3:25

[Then] Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed [be] the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God. Daniel 3:28

Again, a bit of the Matthew Henry Commentary:

“…some think it was the eternal Son of God, the angel of the covenant, and not a created angel. He appeared often in our nature before he assumed it in his incarnation, and never more seasonable, nor to give a more proper indication and presage of his great errand into the world in the fulness of time, than now, when, to deliver his chosen out of the fire, he came and walked with them in the fire. Note, Those that suffer for Christ have his gracious presence with them in their sufferings, even in the fiery furnace, even in the valley of the shadow of death, and therefore even there they need fear no evil. Hereby Christ showed that what is done against his people he takes
as done against himself; whoever throws them into the furnace does, in effect, throw him in. I am Jesus, whom thou persecutest, Isa. 63:9.” – Blue Letter Bible – Commentaries – Matthew Henry – Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible

…now let us actually look at this word “angel”.

[Anonymous]

A Look at the word “Angel” in several various contexts:

“Angel”:

“mal'ak” “מַלְאָךְ“; meaning: “messenger, representative”, “messenger”, “angel”, “theophanic angel”“From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy”[Strong's Concordance]; “one sent, messenger”, “a messenger of God”[Gesenius's Lexicon]“aggelos” “ἄγγελος”; meaning: “a messenger”, “envoy”, “one who is sent”, “an angel [of the Heavenly Host]”, “messenger from GOD”[Strong's Concordance] [Thayer's Lexicon]

The word “Angel” in reference to heavenly created beings, like Gabriel, Lucifer [satan], Seraphim, Cherubims, etc.

And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings. Luke 1:19

And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, Luke 1:26

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14

Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Ezekiel 28:14

By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Ezekiel 28:16

Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings… Isaiah 6:2;p

Then flew one of the seraphims … Isaiah 6:6;p

See also:

“Cherub”: Exodus 25:19, 37:8; 2 Samuel 22:11; 1 Kings 6:24,25,26,27; 2 Chronicles 3:11,12; Ezra 2:59; Nehemiah 7:61; Psalms 18:10; Ezra 9:3, 10:2,4,7,9, 28:14,16, 41:18.

“Cherubims”: Genesis 3:24; Exodus 25:18,19,20,22, 26:1,31, 36:8,35, 37:7,8,9; Numbers 7:89; 1 Samuel 4:4; 2 Samuel 6:2; 1 Kings 6:23,25,27,28,29,32,35, 7:29,36, 8:6,7; 2 Kings 19:15; 1 Chronicles 13:6, 28:18; 2 Chronicles 3:7,10,11,13,14, 5:7,8; Psalms 80:1, 99:1; Isaiah 37:16; Ezekiel 10:1,2,3,5,6,7,8,9,15,16,18,19,20, 11:22, 41:18,20,25; Hebrews 9:5.

“Seraphims”: Isaiah 6:2,6.

“Living Creatures”: Ezekiel 1:5,13,14,15,19, 3:13, see also “four beasts”: Revelation 4:6,8, 5:6,8,11,14, 6:1,6, 7:11, 14:3, 15:7, 19:4.

“Four and Twenty Elders”: Revelation 4:4,10, 5:5,6,8,11,14, 7:11,13, 11:16, 14:3, 19:4.

Let us now look at the word “Angel” in reference to others [mankind], when not referencing the other heavenly created beings [like Gabriel, Lucifer, Seraphim, Cherubim], etc.

For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he [is] the messenger of the LORD of hosts. Malachi 2:7

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me… Malachi 3:1;p

And the LORD God of their fathers sent to them by his messengers, rising up betimes, and sending; because he had compassion on his people, and on his dwelling place: 2 Chronicles 36:15

Who [is] blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger [that] I sent? who [is] blind as [he that is] perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant? Isaiah 42:19

That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof: Isaiah 44:26

Then spake Haggai the LORD'S messenger in the LORD'S message unto the people, saying, I [am] with you, saith the LORD. Haggai 1:13

[We see, Priests and Prophetsof the LORD [like John the Baptist, Haggai, etc], even His peoples, etc called “messengers”…]

And he hath slandered thy servant unto my lord the king; but my lord the king [is] as an angel of God: do therefore [what is] good in thine eyes. 2 Samuel 19:27

[We see that the King [Human] is referred to and compared as “an angel of God”]

And they said unto her, Thou art mad. But she constantly affirmed that it was even so. Then said they, It is his angel. Acts 12:15

[there are two ways to consider this text, the first, is that they understood that Peter was again set free by the angel [Acts 5:19], or that they understood it to refer to Peter’s messenger, for remember they thought that Peter was still in Prison. Those who were in Prison, like Peter and Paul had used “messengers” to communicate to those outside, and they did not want to believe that Peter was actually free especially so late at night, and possibly had thought Peter had sent them a messenger in his name, “angel” means messenger, context always dictates its use.]

For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:13

[Remember that the word “Apostle” means “one who is sent”, and this passage is referring to Humans that are claiming to be “sent”, but are actually doing the work of satan, deceiving, for even he, satan, masquerades as an “angel” [messenger, angelic] of light, just as these false prophets [human], in a similar manner…]

And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14

Now, another:

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; Revelation 2:1

[each of the messages are to the “church” and their persons, so the word “angel” is in reference to men [mankind]]

And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; Revelation 2:8

And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; Revelation 2:12

And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass; Revelation 2:18

And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Revelation 3:1

And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; Revelation 3:7

And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Revelation 3:14

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Revelation 14:6

[the 3 Angels Messages are given by the Remnant of God, and are speaking of those giving the message, like the 7th Day Adventist movement, and are therefore men [mankind], so we see that the word “angel”is always subject to context, and does not always mean a heavenly created being, but can reference men [created earthly beings], as well as Gabriel [created angelic being, or others, Lucifer, Cherubim, Seraphim], as well it can also reference as He who is CHRIST JESUS/MICHAEL [Uncreated/Eternal God [The Son] or [Holy Spirit]]]

And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Revelation 14:8

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, Revelation 14:9

In Revelation 10, we see a “mighty Angel” come down:

And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow [was] upon his head, and his face [was] as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: Revelation 10:1

And this “mighty Angel” is none other than JESUS CHRIST/MICHAEL, for look at the very description itself, and recompare to the very descr
iption we see in other places of scripture describing JESUS – like Daniel, Pillar of Fire/Smoke in the Wilderness of Moses [Exodus, etc], the Gospels [when Jesus was glorified upon the Mount, etc] and Revelation 1, etc and even consider the Rainbow, the very symbol of the Covenant, and the face lighted up [like upon the Mount of Transfiguration], and we are going to look at this a little further still, for these descriptions [even He who held the “little book [that part of Daniel, that was “sealed till the time of the end” and to be revealed] open”] all point to JESUS.
 
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS about MICHAEL ARCHANGEL/JESUS texts (continued):Question 04:

How is it known that it was CHRIST JESUS/MICHAEL that Daniel saw in the vision of Daniel 10?

Answer 04:

By the very descriptions:

Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain manclothed in linen, whose loins [were] girded with fine gold of Uphaz: (Daniel 10:5)

His body also [was] like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude.(Daniel 10:6)

And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. (Daniel 10:7)

[Compare to Saul – Acts 9, 22, 26]

Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. (Dan 10:8)

[compare to –

Moses, “…Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.”[Ex 3:6;p],

Joshua, “And he said, Nay; but [as] captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?” [Jos 5:14],

Isaiah,“Then said I, Woe [is] me! for I am undone; because I [am] a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.” [Isaiah 6:5],

Ezekiel, “As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so [was] the appearance of the brightness round about. This [was] the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw [it], I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.”[Eze 1:28]]
Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground. (Dan 10:9)[Clothed in White Linen with a Gold Sash, White Hair as of Wool, Eyes were as a Flame of Fire, Feet like unto Fine Burnished Brass, Voice of an Archangel and Trumpet that sounds of Many Waters, which are able to Resurrect the Dead, Out of HIS Mouth went a Sharp Two-Edged Sword, and HIS countenance like that of the Sun, A Rainbow, etc]; now see the Book of Revelation:

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, (Revelation 1:10)

Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last… (Revelation 1:11;p)

And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. … I saw seven golden candlesticks; (Revelation 1:12;p)

And in the midst of the seven candlesticks [one] like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. (Revelation 1:13)

His head and [his] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes [were] as a flame of fire; (Revelation 1:14)

And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. (Revelation 1:15)

…in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance [was] as the sun shineth in his strength. (Revelation 1:16;p)

…I saw him, I fell at his feet
as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: (Revelation 1:17;p)

I [am] he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. (Revelation 1:18)

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand… (Revelation 1:20;p)

…and further:

…These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; (Revelation 2:1;p)

…These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; (Revelation 2:8;p)

…These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; (Revelation 2:12;p)

Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. (Revelation 2:16)

… These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet [are] like fine brass; (Revelation 2:18;p)

…also:

…The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. (John 5:25;p)

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, (John 5:28)

And shall come forth … good, unto the resurrection of life; … evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (John 5:29;p)

…also:

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (1 Thess 4:16)

..also:

… I saw visions of God. (Ezekiel 1:1;p)

And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings. (Ezekiel 1:24)

And there was a voice from the firmament that [was] over their heads, when they stood, [and] had let down their wings. (Ezekiel 1:25)

And above the firmament that [was] over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. (Ezekiel 1:26)

And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. (Ezekiel 1:27)

As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so [was] the appearance of the brightness round about. This [was] the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw [it], I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake. (Ezekiel 1:28)

Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel. (Ezekiel 3:1)

So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll. (Ezekiel 3:2)

And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice [was] like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory. (Ezekiel 43:2)

…also:But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (Dan 12:4)

…also:

see,“Pillar of fire”: Exodus 13:21,22, 14:24; Numbers 14:14; Nehemiah 9:12,19; “cloud…of fire”: Exodus 40:38; Numbers 9:15,16; Deuteronomy 1:13, 5:22; Pslms 78:14, 105:39; Isaiah 4:5; Ezekiel 1:4, etc
…also:

And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow [was] upon his head, and his face [was] as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: (Revelation 10:1)

And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and [his] left [foot] on the earth, (Revelation 10:2)

And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take [it], and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. (Revelation 10:9)

And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter. (Revelation 10:10)
…also:And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and …(Revelation 14:2;p)

Behold, I come quickly: … (Revelation 22:7;p)

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12)

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. (Revelation 22:13)

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star. (Revelation 22:16)

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Revelation 22:20)

…also:

I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8)

…also:

For mine own sake, [even] for mine own sake, will I do [it]: for how should [my name] be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. (Isaiah 48:11)

Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I [am] he; I [am] the first, I also [am] the last. (Isaiah 48:12)

…also:

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. (John 17:5)

…now let us go back to Revelation 12, and look more closely…

[Anonymous]

…now going back to the text of Revelation 12 itself [quoted E-Sword]:

Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

…what do we notice? We ought to take notice of a timeline inherent in the text itself, though not exactly in direct chronological order.

The objection that Michael [Archangel] [meaning: “Who is like unto God, the Highest Messenger”] cannot be Christ [Jesus], because both names [Michael and Jesus Christ] are used simulataneously, and Christ is so used before, during and after in Revelation 12, thus, as is intimated [as others post, or similar] by the objection, they are thus two separate individuals according to their held standard.

This reasoning, while it may appear admirable to defend Jesus from being downgraded to less than being Creator [though there is no element of that being held here, since Jesus/Michael is God [the Son] [Uncreated Creator], as scripture and I so freely give'; this shall be demonstrated shortly ], this, 'defense', is not without serious fault according to the text and context itself. In trying to admirably 'defend' Jesus' full Diety/Godhead by separating Him from being Michael, the text is then broken, and we know that the scriptures cannot be so broken [John 10:35]. Let us see:

Let us begin with the “Dragon”, to set up this pattern in Revelation 12 of numerous names/titles for the same being, for therein, we see that “the Dragon” is known by several names/titles/etc. “Dragon” [Rev. 12:3,4,7,9,13,16,17], “serpent” [Rev. 12:9,14,15], “Devil” [Rev. 12:9,12], “Satan” [Rev. 12:9], “accuser of our brethen” [Rev. 12:10] and none of these are separate individuals being spoken of, for it is clear, that he [satan] has “angels” [Rev 12:7,9], which are separate followers of and from him.

So, when we look at Christ Jesus in Revelation 12, we now see also numerous names/titles,etc. Look at Jesus, being called, this “child” [Rev. 12:2,4,5], “man child” [Rev. 12:5,13], “it” [Rev. 12:4], “Michael” [Rev. 12:7] whom has “his angels” [Rev. 12:7], “Christ” [Rev. 12:10], “Lamb” [Rev. 12:11], “her seed” [Rev. 12:17], “Jesus Christ” [Rev. 12:17].

As the OP shows, this Chapter is focused upon that Great Controversy between Christ Jesus and those who follow Him, against Satan and those who follow him.

We also see that Revelation 12:5, makes a distinction between the “man [child]” or the “child” and “God”, – so then, are we to erroneously conclude that Jesus is not God? Of course not, since this passage is speaking of Jesus [God, the Son] ascending unto “God” [the Father] from the Mount of Olives just before Pentecost in Acts, and we know that the Father is not the Son, as they are two persons, but this does not make Jesus less than Deity.

We also see that Jesus is he “who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron” [Revelation 12:5] and has “testimony” [Revelation 12:17] as well.

We may also know that this text of Revelation 12 is written in such a fashion that it is a 'prophetic key' text, and gives the 'revelation' to certain terms:

Michael = Jesus Christ, etc
Dragon = Satan, etc

…and thus throughout the scriptures and in Revelation we can be sure that these two terms stand for these two persons. That way, when we go back to Genesis, or elsewhere and read “serpent”, we understand that satan/devil was involved there, etc, or when we read “Lamb” elsewhere we may understand that Jesus/Michael is involved there and so forth for the other terms.

Thus is Isaiah 28:10,13 and 1 Corinthians 2:13 fulfilled as we look at “precept” and “line”, and “comparing spiritual things with spiritual”, and scripture with scripture.

There is also inherently within the very texts of Revelation 12 a very specific structure, a chiastic structure [1,2,3,3,2,1, A,B,C,C,B,A, etc] which also cannot be broken. A general view seen here:

Revelation 12:1-5 [A1] = Woman and Child

Revelation 12:6 [B1] = 1,260 days [years]

Revelation 12:7-9 [C1] = War between Michael and Satan in Heaven

Revelation 12:10 [D1] = Cross, Power of Christ, His Victory

Revelation 12:11 [D2] = Lamb, Blood of Christ, Their [overcoming saints] Victory in Him

Revelation 12:12 [C2] = Dragon permanently cast down to Earth

Revelation 12:13-16 [B2] = Woman in Wilderness, for a time, and times, and half a time [aka, 3 1/2 times or 1,260 days [years]]

Revelation 12:17 [A2] = Woman and her seed

..in fact, just looking at the individual passage of Revelation 12:7, we can see another parallelism within this greater chiasm:

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Revelation 12:7

Michael[A1] – Leader
his angels [B1] – Followers

Dragon[A2] – Leader
his angels [B2] – Followers

…but if we read out a little further on each side of this text, we come to know more of these two Leaders/Rulers, as has been shown above.

For those considering, please now go back and recompare/contrast:

Michael to Dragon, Lamb to Serpent, Christ Jesus to Satan [accuser], Man Child to Devil, Caught Up to Cast Out [come down], Rule All to Cast Down, etc…

So we notice that the Son is named Michael Archangel while in Heaven while warring with the Dragon before, and then so named Christ Jesus on earth, and later also as ascended.
 
Allow me to demonstrate scripturally, that just because others [human, which are a creature of the Creator] in Scripture are also named “Michael”, would not be blasphemous for them to be so named, nor would it bring Jesus/Michael Archangel down to being a created being; and so also, allow me to show that the conclusion jumped to in reply, in which it is posited, that just because others in Scripture were so name “Michael”, does not then mean that “Michael [Archangel]” is also created, for it does not logically follow. That is leaping to where no one is in scripture is pointing to. Let us see why by gathering some points and evidence to consider.[1] There is no contention that, “Yes.” there are others [human] in Scripture are also named “Michael”[see section “A” below].[2] There are many others given in scripture which also utilize the words “El”, “Eli”, “Yah”, “Jah”, “Jeho”, etc in their own names. The following list will be by no means exhaustive, but very brief: Gabriel, Israel, Joseph, Ezekiel, Jehoshaphat, Elijah, Joab, Joshua, Nehemiah, Jeremiah, Abdiel, Abiah, Abiel, Abijah, and so on and so forth and for further study, please take some time to consider the whole here [ List of biblical names – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ].

As we can see, none of these [angelic creatures or humans], are claiming to be God simply by their name, nor are they being blasphemous in so having their names as such, nor does it then allow for the conclusion, that since they have these names, to then reduce the Deity/Godhead of Christ Jesus/Michael to that of creature. That simply does not follow logically.

Each of their names, is to bring glory to God, even as the Son [Michael/Jesus] does, bringing Glory to His Father:

Not unto us, O LORD, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, [and] for thy truth's sake. Psalms 115:11

I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 42:8

For mine own sake, [even] for mine own sake, will I do [it]: for how should [my name] be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. Isaiah 48:11

…for Jesus directly says, that He glorifies the Father:

“And I seek not mine own glory:…” John 8:50;p

Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, [saying], I have both glorified [it], and will glorify [it] again. John 12:28

If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him. John 13:32

…and the Father glorifies the Son:

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: John 17:1

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:5

…it is therefore said of this Michael Archangel/Jesus:

Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name [is] in him. Exodus 23:21

I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. John 5:43

Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. Hebrews 1:4

[3] In fact, as we take a closer look at the name “Joshua”[[originally]“Oshea”, son of Nun; Numbers 13:16], or even “Joshua the Highpriest”[“son of Josedech”; Haggai 1:1], and we may directly see that the Hebrew name of “Jesus” [Greek: Iēsous] is “Joshua”[Hebrew], see also Hebrews 4:8, for a comparison. Does this mean that “Joshua, son of Nun” and “Joshua the High Priest” are being blasphemous? Of course not. Does it mean that since, both of these created human beings are also named “Joshua”that it then reduces the complete Deity/Godhead of the Son of God? Of course not. Yet this is the very logic being applied in the case of the name Michael [Archangel].

[4] The reverse of the coin. That each of the listed humans in “A” are so named “Michael”, does this make them all now also “Archangel”[or Highest Messenger of God,, God or Deity] as well? Of course, “No.”[5] Even as we see that no others in scripture [neither created human, nor created angelic being [like Gabriel, etc]] have the combined name/title, “Michael Archangel”, neither do we see any other, so named “Jesus [Joshua] Christ”. This is the distinctive to He, who is God [the Son] the eternal self-existant one, the very “angel”, “messenger of the covenant” and “apostle” of Heaven, the “sent” of the Father, the very “mediator” between God and man, and “Who is like unto God, the Highest Messenger?”, or “Who is like unto God, Jehovah our Salvation/Saviour?”There is none.

[A][Hebrew OT] “Michael” “Miyka'el” “מִיכָאֵל“[Strong's Concordance H4317]:

[Humans, created being]: Numbers 13:13; 1 Chronicles 5:13,14, 6:40, 7:3, 8:16, 12:20, 27:18; 2 Chronicles 21;2; Ezra 8:8

see also “Mishael” “Miysha'el” “מִישָׁאֵל“[Strong's Concordance H4332]:

[Humans, created being]: Exodus 6:22; Leviticus 10:4; Nehemiah 8:4; Daniel 1:6,7,11,19

see also “Mishael” “Miysha'el (Aramaic)” “מִישָׁאֵל“[Strong's Concordance H4333]:

[Humans, created being]: Daniel 2:17

see also “Micah”, “Micaiah”, “Michaiah” “Miykayĕhuw” “מִיכָֽיְהוּ“[Strong's Concordance H4321]:

[Humans, created being]: Judges 17:1,4; 1 Kings 22:8,9,13,14,15,24,25,26,28; 2 Chronicles 18:7,12,13,23,24,25,27; Jeremiah 36:11,13

see also “Micaiah” “Miykahuw” “מִיכָהוּ“[Strong's Concordance H4319]:

[Humans, created being]: 2 Chronicles 18:8

see also “Michaiah” “Miykah” “מִיכָה“[Strong's Concordance H4318]:

[Humans, created being]: Judges 17:5,8,9,10,12,13, 18:2,3,4,13,15,18,22,23,26,27,31; 1 Chronicles 5:5, 8:34,35, 9:40,41, 23:20, 24:24,25; 2 Chronicles 18:14, 34:20; Micah 1:1.

We see this unique person [Jesus] in all of scripture with such a designation as Michael Archangel…

[“Michael” Archangel]:

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael4317, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. Daniel 10:13

But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and [there is] none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael4317 your prince. Daniel 10:21

And at that time shall Michael4317 stand up , the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered , every one that shall be found written in the book. Daniel 12:1[Greek NT]“Michael” “Michaēl” “Μιχαήλ” [Strong's Concordance G3413], and see also “archangel” “archaggelos” “ἀρχάγγελος” [Strong's Concordance G743]:

[Humans, created being]: none are so named.

[Michael and/or Archangel]:

Yet Michael3413 the archangel743, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said , The Lord rebuke thee. Jude 1:9

And there was war in heaven: Michael3413 and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels. Revelation 12:7

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel743, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1 Thessalonians 4:16

…and so let us look closer at, and highlighting, the two middle verses, namely Revelation 12:10 and Revelation 12:11, for that is where shall see more fully that the objection is invalid.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

What do we notice the focus is upon in these two verses? It is dealing with the humans, people[creatures] of earth. Notice also, the very 'timing' that this victory takes place in Rev 12:10, “Now is come salvation…” When did that take place? It took place at the Cross, in the time of the [Legs of Iron, Fourth Beast, Little Horn [Chapter 8], time of the 69th – 70th week] 4th Kingdom of Daniel [Daniel 2:33,40, 7:7,17,19,23, 8:9,23, 9:22-27, 11:22], on earth. It was not during the “war in Heaven”, which took place well before the events of the Cross, and of the Son of God [Jesus] taking upon himself humanity. We can verify this by the very next few words, “the power of His Christ”, which Jesus was not anointed as Christ until AD 27 at the Jordan by the Holy Spirit in being Baptised, as the time prophecies of God given in Daniel and the Gospels relate to us.

Also, why were “they” accused by the Dragon/Satan? It was for their [our] sins and transgressions. We see the same with Satan argiung over Moses and also the same in Zechariah 3:1, with Satan, accusing Joshua the High Priest before Michael/Jesus, the “angel”[messenger of the Lord, Father] there:

And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. Zechariah 3:1

Another question we can then immediately ask is, Who “overcame” by “the blood of the Lamb” and “by the word of their testimony”? The context is clear it was those “they”humans[creatures] so named “brethren”, which “loved not their lives unto death” on earth, this world. As far as we know from scripture, no “angel”[angelic creature, obedient, neither disobedient] has yet died, and those wicked ones [angels, created angelic fallen beings] are even now “…delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;”[2 Peter 2:4;p] and “…reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.” [Jude 1:6;p] when they shall be completely destroyed, both “root and branch” [Malachi 4:1]. We may also see futher, more use of this overcoming in the previous chapters of Revelation, that it deals with mankind, as it is given unto the “churches” [Revelation 3:22, etc]:

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Revelation 2:7

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Revelation 2:11

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it]. Revelation 2:17

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Revelation 2:26

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Revelation 3:5

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name. Revelation 3:12

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Revelation 3:21

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Revelation 21:7

…and we see it elsewhere, even by the same author, John the Apostle/Revelator:

These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. John 16:33

I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. 1 John 2:13

I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him [that is] from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one. 1 John 2:14

Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 1 John 4:4

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith. 1 John 5:4

Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 1 John 5:5

Links for additional [and/or similar] studies on the same topic:

JESUS In Book Of Daniel – The Biblical TRUTH

Everlasting Gospel

Who is Michael the Archangel in the Bible?

The Divine Christ in the Old Testament

An “Angel” Named Yahweh

Who Is Michael The Archangel?

Everlasting Gospel: An Angel called Jehovah

Everlasting Gospel: The Angel of Jehovah is not Jehovah himself?

Adventist Defense League

Thus is Michael shown as Christ Jesus, before becoming man.  now let us begin to consider that Jesus/Michale is God; YHVH Elohim, The Son.  For there are certain questions which may be asked, and the scriptures themselves will answer.

[Anonymous]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,05:57)

awhn Quote “head of the body…who is the beginning…have the preeminence.”; Paul solves the issue for us, line upon line. so the bible code for understanding his ;LINE UPON LINE ” right

Yes, “precept upon precept; line upon line”, even as it is written:

“For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little:” Isaiah 28:10

[Ed J]

Hi AWHN,

Lay off the psychedelic drugs.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Anonymous]

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 26 2012,06:37)

Wow AWHN that must have taken you ages (with all the colors and things!) God bless.  …  God bless the Adventists.

It is worth the time to make it as presentable as possible, though some colors may be a bit much, and any who cannot see the colors, please copy and reduce to black and white.

The Seventh Day Adventist movement is prophetically foretold in Revelation [10, 14, etc], to come, and call all people unto Christ Jesus, to come out of Babylon and her daughters, and to prepare for His Second Advent, and we have been given the oracles of Truth for this time, and we are the children of the Reformation, the heralders of God's Word to this world.  This movement is not made up of any single peoples, but all peopels which seek and love the truth.

Like John the Baptist was the Herald for the First Advent, we are the Herald of the Second, we are the anti-typical Elijah, with the Elijah message, in spirit and in truth and in power.

We are calling all to come back to the Word of God, to fear and love God and to Keep His Commandments [Exodus 20] and prepare for His soon coming.

All praise and glory be unto God [Revelation 14:6-12], for it is His Word, and it is by His Holy Spirit which leads into all Truth [John 16:13].

[terraricca]

Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 26 2012,04:01)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,05:57) awhn Quote “head of the body…who is the beginning…have the preeminence.”; Paul solves the issue for us, line upon line. so the bible code for understanding his ;LINE UPON LINE ” right Yes, “precept upon precept; line upon line”, even as it is written: “For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little:” Isaiah 28:10

but you have given the wrong interpretation to that verse ,

just so you can give out the poison of religion ,false doctrine

same garbage than any other one ,placing mens view and understanding over God ,and become the judge of Gods written word ,

[Anonymous]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 26 2012,07:04)

Awhn……………I never seen so many words calling Jesus Michael the Arch angel in my life, and yet Not so much as one scripture that says it  now you talking about forcing the text to say what in fact it does not say, i have never seen that any better done then you have here brother. peace and love to you and yours……………………………………………….gene

I understand that it is a more thorough study than most will read, but please take the time to do so.  The questions are answered in it.

Scripture is to be seen “line upon line”, even “precept upon precept”.  Therefore, one text helps to define and support another, all built upon the Foundation which is Christ Jesus, for He Himself hath shown:

“And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.” [Luke 24:27]

[Luke 24:27,44; John 1:45, 5:39; Acts 17:2-3, 18:28, 26,22, 28:23]

Therefore, the texts are exegetically given.  The evidence is before all.  They which refuse, of course this is their choice, but they will be hard pressed to answer questions which will arise later because of these things.

Please, do not reject so readily, but take the time to consider.  It is all that I ask.

The scriptures do not directly give the word “atheism”, yet the knowledge of it is present in the Pharaoh of Exodus and others.

Consider the structure of Revelation 12, it is unbreakable.

It was because of Roman Catholic theology/doctrine which has caused the confusion in this area.  The very brilliant Protestant Reformers understood who Michael is – Jesus, as was present in the Second post.

[terraricca]

the adventist are a religious organization and so teach what is appropriate to them ,(head office)

the written word of God is only for the leaders to understand in the way they have figured out ,it does not matter what anyone think or say looks like any other religion ;the pharisees and sadducees and zealots etc, ad the same practice ,Christ never joint them because they cut off the father and replace him by their HEAD OFFICE

[Anonymous]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,09:21)

Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 26 2012,04:01) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,05:57) awhn Quote “head of the body…who is the beginning…have the preeminence.”; Paul solves the issue for us, line upon line. so the bible code for understanding his ;LINE UPON LINE ” right Yes, “precept upon precept; line upon line”, even as it is written: “For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little:” Isaiah 28:10 but you have given the wrong interpretation to that verse , just so you can give out the poison of religion ,false doctrine same garbage than any other one ,placing mens view and understanding over God ,and become the judge of Gods written word ,

No, brother, I have not, but others listening to their pastors continually reverse this Isaiah text, but now…

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15

Please re-read Isaiah 28 more closely:

“Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom  shall he make to understand doctrine? [them that are] weaned from the  milk, [and] drawn from the breasts. Isaiah 28:9

For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon  line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little: Isaiah 28:10

GOD HIMSELF, has said that “precept upon precept, precept upon precept” and “line upon line, line upon line” “here a little [and] there a little” is they way one learns the Good Doctrine of the LORD. Beginning with the simple and soon “weaned from the milk” even unto “meat” as sayeth Paul. [1 Corinthians 3:1-2]

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. Isaiah 28:11

To whom he said, This [is] the rest [wherewith] ye may cause the weary to rest; and this [is] the refreshing: yet they would not hear. Isaiah 28:12

This is the way GOD would lead in HIS Word, even the HOLY SPIRIT HIMSELF  leads into all Truth from Light unto more glorious Light, but they  refused to hear the Word spoken, they refused the way in which it was to  be given. However, “the word of the LORD” was  continually given to them “precept upon precept” and “line upon line”.

The “Word of the Lord” in “Precept upon Precept” and “line upon line”  was ever Faithful to them, though they were not Faithful to God, nor His  Word. Therefore, because they have refused and rejected knowledge and wisdom of GOD in “precept upon precept” and “line upon line” they are then fallen “backward” and “broken” and “snared” and “taken”.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge,  I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing  thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.  Hosea 4:6

But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept  upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there  a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and  snared, and taken. Isaiah 28:13

Do you see this? If so, please reconsider how the  Word was presented and let us continue “precept upon precept” and “line upon line” as  we ought to.

For where in the Scriptures one place it is given, it shall  also be given in another place even more clearly,  so as to re-confirm all the the LORD has said.

…for in Verse 12, two sources are cited in various scriptures, just as it should be, “line upon line” and “here a little“ and “there a little”.

Please notice the quotation marks in the bible itself, or margins, for in one place it is said “Here is rest, give rest to the weary” and in another it is said, “Here is repose”. This is how the scriptures work, yet they would not listen to the instruction of the Lord, so they then “may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.”

Notice also that last line, it is also cited elsewhere:

And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken. Isaiah 8:15

Now notice the context of that verse. Let us go “line upon line” and be instructed in the wisdom of the Lord.

…and without having to quote the remaining:

Isaiah, himself is using the very principle, in teaching “line upon line”, from quoting from those two sources and using them together, for “precept [is to be] upon precept”.

But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out  of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink,  they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong  drink; they err in vision, they stumble [in]  judgment. Isaiah 28:7

For all tables are full of vomit [and] filthiness, [so that there is] no place [c
lean]. Isaiah 28:8

QUESTION:

Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Isaiah 28:9a…

ANSWER:

… [them that are] weaned from the milk, [and] drawn from the breasts. Isaiah 28:9b

For precept [must be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little: Isaiah 28:10

So, who are they that are “weened from the milk” and “drawn from the  breasts”? They who read the word of the Lord by His instruction, being “precept upon precept” and “line upon line”, even “here a litte” and “there a little”. Going from the basics and surface  to the deep and more spiritual wisdom of the Love of GOD.

…and continued answer…

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. Isaiah 28:11

And he has, even by converted gentiles, even in parables, and in dark  sayings [“…I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things  which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.” Matthew  13:35;p; “I will open my mouth in a parable: I  will utter dark sayings of old:” Psalms 78:2 and also Psalms 49:4; “To  understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and  their dark sayings.” Proverbs 1:6; compare also to Daniel 8:23 and the  “little horn” Papal position who understands  “dark sentences”, for they claim to understand the parables and to even  teach them…]

To whom he said, This [is] the rest [wherewith] ye may cause the weary  to rest; and this [is] the refreshing: yet they would not hear. Isaiah  28:12 [see also Isaiah 30:15]

For GOD hath said in Exodus 16:23, “this…[is] the rest…”, Exodus  23:12, 31:17, “refreshed”, etc… [consider also Exodus 33:14;  Deuteronomy 12:10, 25:19; Joshua 14:15, 23:1; 2 Samuel 7:1,11; 1  Chronicles 22:9; Isaiah 14:3; also Acts 3:19, etc.]

But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept  upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there  a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and  snared, and taken. Isaiah 28;13

The preceding verse declares that GOD hath shown them [the  rebellious] how to receive rest, and refreshing, yet “they would not  hear”, even though the “word of the LORD was unto them precept upon  precept”, etc. They have no excuse for their not knowing,  they have no excuse for their not being able to find rest, for it was  given in the Word, precept upon precept, line upon line. There is no  excuse for rebellion and refusal to hear it. When they refuse “precept  upon precept” and “line upon line”, they will  “go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared and taken”, because  they have refused the very counsel of God, and have refused His rest.

Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which [is] in Jerusalem. Isaiah 28:14

Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Isaiah 28:15

It will be torn away, even as it was unto them in the 1st Advent.

Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I  lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner  [stone], a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Isaiah 28:16

Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. Isaiah 28:17

Another hail is coming… and under it, all lies shall be swept away.

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“II. What method they took, in pursuance  of this design. They left no means untried to do them good, but taught  them as children are taught, little children that are beginning to  learn, that are taken from the breast to the book  (v. 9), for among the Jews it was common for mothers to nurse their  children till they were three years old, and almost ready to go to  school. And it is good to begin betimes with children, to teach them, as  they are capable, the good knowledge of the Lord,  and to instruct them even when they are but newly weaned from the milk.  The prophets taught them as children are taught; for, 1. They were  constant and industrious in teaching them. They took great pains with them, and with great prudence, teaching  them as they needed it and were able to bear it (v. 10): Precept upon  precept. It must be so, or (as some read) it has been so. They have been taught, as children are taught to read, by precept  upon precept, and taught to write by line upon line, a little here and a  little there, a little of one thing and a little of another, that the  variety of instructions might be pleasing and  inviting,—a little at one time and a little at another, that they might  not have their memories overcharged,—a little from one prophet and a  little from another, that every one might be pleased with his friend and  him whom he admired. Note, For our instruction in the things of God it is requisite that we have precept upon precept and line upon line, that one precept and line should be followed, and so enforced by another;  the precept of justice must be upon the precept of piety, and the  precept of charity upon that of justice. Nay, it is necessary that the  same precept and the same line should be often repeated and inculcated  upon us, that we may the better understand them and the more easily  recollect them when we have occasion for them.  Teachers should accommodate themselves to the capacity of the learners,  give them what they most need and can best bear, and a little at a  time, Deu. 6:6, 7. 2. They courted and persuaded them to learn, v. 12.  God, by his prophets, said to them, “This way  that we are directin
g you to, and directing you in, is the rest, the  only rest, wherewith you may cause the weary to rest; and this will be  the refreshing of your own souls, and will bring rest to your country  from the wars and other calamities with which  it has been long harassed.’’ Note, God by his word calls us to nothing  but what is really for our advantage; for the service of God is the only  true rest for those that are weary of the service of sin and there is  no refreshing but under the easy yoke of the  Lord Jesus.” [Matthew Henry Commentary; Isaiah 28] – <a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/comme…h&ar=Isa_28_12” target=”_blank”>http://www.blueletterbible.org/comme…h&ar=Isa_28_12%5B/URL%5D

To be feed milk from the breast, means to be few from others and from what others teach you [which in itself is not bad, but should be only the beginning, for we must of necessity search on our own to test and prove all things], without your own finding.  Let us Grow up into Christ Jesus and search the Word for ourselves.

[terraricca]

false teachings by the adventist ;

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Michael seems to be an important individual in heaven. Archangel means “chief of the angels”, so Michael must be the chief of the angels. He is the leader of the angels.

scriptures says ;;DA 10:13 “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia.

IT SAYS THAT MICHAEL HIS ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES ;AND SO HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS ANGEL UNDER HIS POWER,

WHO HIS THE ANGEL IN THE VISION Da 10:11 He said, “Daniel, you who are highly esteemed,….

HE HIS THE ONE THAT AS RECEIVED HELP FROM MICHAEL , ONE OF THE OTHER CHIEF PRINCES YES

[Anonymous]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,09:47)

false teachings by the adventist ; … scriptures says ;;DA 10:13 “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. IT SAYS THAT MICHAEL HIS ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES ;AND SO HE IS NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS ANGEL UNDER HIS POWER, WHO HIS THE ANGEL IN THE VISION Da 10:11 He said, “Daniel, you who are highly esteemed,…. HE HIS THE ONE THAT AS RECEIVED HELP FROM MICHAEL , ONE OF THE OTHER CHIEF PRINCES YES

… The “Chief” was already addressed in the postings, please go back take a few moments to re-read.  The answer you seek is given there.  There are two [hence “one of”] primary “Chief” “Princes”, Jesus and Satan, as addressed in the first Post on this subject. Additioanlly the word “one of” is the Hebrew Echad, and also means “First”, which Christ Jesus is, the First Prince [Ruler], ie Lord of Lords, Prince [Ruler] of Princes [Rulers], since He is God, the Son.

[Anonymous]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 26 2012,09:47)

false teachings by the adventist ; … scriptures says ;;DA 10:13 “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. … HE HIS THE ONE THAT AS RECEIVED HELP FROM MICHAEL , ONE OF THE OTHER CHIEF PRINCES YES

Again, the very context, which was given earlier, verily shows that Gabriel was the one that received the Help from Michael/Jesus, not the other way around.  This was thoroughly demonstrated.

[Anonymous]

Now, let us go to the scriptures, asking those “questions” beforehand mentioned, and see that Jesus is truly God, YHVH Elohim, the Son.

Again, patience is asked for, in this matter, as there are many things to consider, and in this endeavor, we will not be looking at the standard texts immediately [John 1:1, etc], but will come to those in a bit in their context, after we look at texts and questions not usually considered.

The overall color schema will be dropped, though some will remain, so as to make this journey lighter.

[Anonymous]

The question usually goes, well if the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all 'God'; then “How many LORD God's are there?”

The answer from scripture is found in Deuteronomy 6:4 verily reveals that there is only 'one'.  We shall look at this 'one' a bit later in this text, but for now, let us continue with a simple understanding and ask questions not usually considered…

Question: Who is the Husband?

For thy Maker [is] thine husband; the LORD of hosts [is] his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Isaiah 54:5

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Ephesians 5:23

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:2

And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast. Matthew 9:15

etc…

Jesus Christ is the Husband, the Bridegroom… God the Son, the scriptures cannot be broken…

Question: Again, Who is the Husband?

Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: Jeremiah 3:14

Surely [as] a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me, O house of Israel, saith the LORD. Jeremiah 3:20

GOD gives a human example through the Prophet Hosea…of what HIS Spouse, HIS Wife, had done to GOD… they committed adultery and whoredoms…

The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, [departing] from the LORD. Hosea 1:2

Plead with your mother, plead: for she [is] not my wife, neither [am] I her husband: let her therefore put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts; Hosea 2:2

But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 1 Corinthians 6:17

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:2

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Ephesians 5:23

The entire Song Of Songs [Solomon] is one of the Love of GOD [CHRIST] for HIS Bride the Church/people. Consider also Revelation, the City, New Jerusalem, the symbol of God's People. 144,000 numerically given, 144 cubits in the walls, know ye not that you are living stones? [1 Peter 2:5; Revelation 3:12, etc], each of the stones in the walls the very stones upon the Breast of the Great High Priest, CHRIST JESUS, close to HIS heart… there is ever so much more to share upon it…

I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman]. Jeremiah 6:2

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. Revelation 19:7

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:2

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God. Revelation 21:3

And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. Revelation 21:9

HUSBAND yet still further…

For thy Maker [is] thine husband; the LORD of hosts [is] his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. – Isaiah 54:5

Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion. – Jeremiah 3:14

For [as] a young man marrieth a virgin, [so] shall thy sons marry thee: and [as] the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, [so] shall thy God rejoice over thee. – Isaiah 62:5

And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast. – Matthew 9:15

Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. – Matthew 25:1

While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. – Matthew 25:5

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. – Matthew 25:10

And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? as long as they have the bridegroom with them, they cannot fast. – Mark 2:19

But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days. – Mark 2:20

And he said unto them, Can ye make the children of the bridechamber fast, while the bridegroom is with them? – Luke 5:34

But the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken away from them, and then shall they fast in those days. – Luke 5:35

He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. – John 3:29

Question: Who is the Covenant maker?:

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that
I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: – Jeremiah 31:31

(see also Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 36:27; Hebrews 8:8,10, 10:16)

It was Jesus who made that Covenant and confirmed it by His own promise and blood (Daniel 9:27; Matthew 26:28; Mark 14:24).

Question:  Again, consider, who is the GOD with us?:

The LORD of hosts [is] with us; the God of Jacob [is] our refuge. Selah. – Psalms 46:7

The LORD of hosts [is] with us; the God of Jacob [is] our refuge. Selah. – Psalms 46:11

“…shall call his name Immanuel.” – Isaiah 7:14

“…call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.” – Matthew 1:23

Question: Who is with us?

And the LORD appeared unto him the same night, and said, I [am] the God of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I [am] with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake. Genesis 26:24

And, behold, I [am] with thee, and will keep thee in all [places] whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done [that] which I have spoken to thee of. Genesis 28:15

And the LORD said unto Jacob, Return unto the land of thy fathers, and to thy kindred; and I will be with thee Genesis 31:3

I will go down with thee into Egypt; and I will also surely bring thee up [again]: and Joseph shall put his hand upon thine eyes. Genesis 46:4

And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this [shall be] a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain. Exodus 3:12

Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he [it is] that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee. Deuteronomy 31:6

There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life: as I was with Moses, [so] I will be with thee: I will not fail thee, nor forsake thee. Joshua 1:5

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Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:20

For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city. Acts 18:10

Notice the context that Paul quotes from the OT and to whom he directly equates it with…

[Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Hebrews 13:5

So that we may boldly say, The Lord [is] my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me. Hebrews 13:6

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8

 
Question: Who Is The Shepherd?

For he [is] our God; and we [are] the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice, Psalms 95:7

Shall we not notice that? “the people [sheep] of HIS pasture…” Who is the Good Shepherd?

[[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD [is] my shepherd; I shall not want. Psalms 23:1

[[To the chief Musician upon Shoshannimeduth, A Psalm of Asaph.]] Give ear,O Shepherd of Israel, thouthat leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest [between] the cherubims, shine forth. Psalms 80:1

He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry [them] in his bosom, [and] shall gently lead those that are with young. Isaiah 40:11

For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold,I, [even] I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. Ezekiel 34:11

As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep [that are] scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. Ezekiel 34:12

And Jesus, when he came out, saw much people, and was moved with compassion toward them, because they were as sheep not having a shepherd: and he began to teach them many things. Mark 6:34

But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. John 10:2

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. John 10:11

I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine. John 10:14

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd. John 10:16

Question:  Which “good shepherd” gave “HIS life for the sheep”? To whom does the “little flock” belong then?

[please continue reading the whole context of Psalms 95…and we will come back to Hebrews in a bit and study the whole context of Chapter 1 and 2 if necessary]

Who saw us like “sheep without a shepherd”[1 Kings 22:17; 2 Chronicles 18:16] and came to “to seek and to save that which was lost”[Luke 19:10]

When scripture hath said,

The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, [saying], Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.Jeremiah 31:3

Who is it that loveth thee “with an everlasting love”? Who is it that with “lovingkindness” has “drawn thee”?

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else. Isaiah 45:22

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me. John 12:32

Think about what is going to the “uttermost parts of the earth” and “all the ends of the earth” even now…

Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. Matthew 26:31

And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shal
l be scattered. Mark 14:27

Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Hebrews 13:20

For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls. 1 Peter 2:25

And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. 1 Peter 5:4

As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. John 10:15

Who is it that is coming to gather all of His Sheep from the four corners of the earth, from the four winds of heaven and shall separate the sheep from the goats?

Andhe shall send his angelswith a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.Matthew 24:31

And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: Matthew 25:32

And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Matthew 25:33

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Mark 13:27

We are the sheep of His pasture… and we know His voice… He also calleth those of His sheep to “come out of her, my people”… The Shepherd calls you… do you belong to Him?

“seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us”[Acts 17:27;p], for He hath said, “lo, I am with you alway”[Matthew 28:20;p]]

Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: Isaiah 42:5

And when he had said this,he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:John 20:22

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: John 10:27 [see again Psalms 95, for whose voice?]

If you want to know more of the Truth, and you want to heed the call of Jehovah God, know that it is Jesus Christ that calleth thee…

Question:  Who walks among us?

And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people. – Leviticus 26:12

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God. – Revelation 21:3

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:20

For ye shall not go out with haste, nor go by flight: for the LORD will go before you; and the God of Israel [will be] your rereward. Isaiah 52:12

Question:  Who is it that gives to us Rest?

Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28

And he said, My presence shall go [with thee], and I will give thee rest. Exodus 33:14

God is love. He loves you, will you not accept the Son? To not accept the Son as God is to not accept the Father.

That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. – John 5:23

Honour the Son in all things, even as we Honour the Father… this includes worship due to God alone. We worship the Son, even as, we worship the Father.

JESUS is stated as saying in the Gospel of John:

He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. John 3:31

Question: Who hath descended? to then Ascend up far above all?

Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. – Psalms 24:7

Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift [them] up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Psalms 24:9

Who is the “King of Glory”? What is His name? Where did He come from to enter into the Gates of the Heavenly City?

Paul says of Christ Jesus who hath ascended:

Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: Ephesians 1:21

A question to any:

And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: [is] not this a brand plucked out of the fire? – Zechariah 3:2

How many LORD's are in that verse? And I am not merely asking how times the word itself appears… I am asking how many actual LORD's are in that verse… Look closely.

Question:  Who is with us?

And the LORD appeared unto him the same night, and said, I [am] the God of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I [am] with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake. Genesis 26:24

And, behold, I [am] with thee, and will keep thee in all [places] whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done [that] which I have spoken to thee of. Genesis 28:15

And the LORD said unto Jacob, Return unto the land of thy fathers, and to thy kindred; and I will be with thee Genesis 31:3

I will go down with thee into Egypt; and I will also surely bring thee up [again]: and Joseph shall put his hand upon thine eyes. Genesis 46:4

And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this [shall be] a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain. Exodus 3:12

Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he [it is] that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee. Deuteronomy 31:6

There shall not any man be able to stand before thee all the days of thy life: as I was with Mos
es, [so] I will be with thee: I will not fail thee, nor forsake thee. Joshua 1:5

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Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:20

For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city. Acts 18:10

Notice the context that Paul quotes from the OT and to whom he directly equates it with…

[Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness; [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Hebrews 13:5

So that we may boldly say, The Lord [is] my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me. Hebrews 13:6

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8

Look at Isaiah 46:

Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; God, and [there is] none like me, – Isaiah 46:9

Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: – Isaiah 46:10

Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe thatI am [he]. John 13:19

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Hi AWHN,

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  long for me to read.

If, however, you would limit them to two V-E-R-Y short paragraphs, I would certainly read them.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Anonymous]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2012,12:01)

Hi AWHN …

Hello Ed J,

How many pages were in the longest book you have read? How many pages or paragraphs per day would you say you read in the scriptures?

[Ed J]

Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 26 2012,12:07)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2012,12:01) Hi AWHN … Hello Ed J, How many pages were in the longest book you have read?  How many pages or paragraphs per day would you say you read in the scriptures?

Hi AWHN,

I have written a free e-book on the proof of God's existence.
But I give the information on forums in very small snippets.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Anonymous]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2012,12:16)

Quote (AWHN @ Nov. 26 2012,12:07) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 26 2012,12:01) Hi AWHN … Hello Ed J, How many pages were in the longest book you have read?  How many pages or paragraphs per day would you say you read in the scriptures? Hi AWHN, I have written a free e-book on the proof of God's existence. But I give the information on forums in very small snippets. God bless Ed J

Excellent, then you may approach anything that is posted by myself in very small snippets.  You do not have to attempt it all at once.  Please take your time, consider the texts.

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3

Consider the LXX usage of Kurios… especially as it is in Isaiah 40:3, and then requoted the 4 times in the Gospels.

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