Jesus IS the MESSIAH

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  • #80444

    David Are you typing all of this or are you pasting some of it? Seems to be a lot to type all.

    Good Posts, tho.

    Peace and Love Mrs.

    #80468
    david
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    Well, I'm not typing out the scriptures. The rest is a compilation of things. Right now, I'm attempting to actually look through all the supposed messianic prophecies. This is taking some time.

    #80536
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Oh good.

    I look forward to seeing them.

    :)

    #80538
    david
    Participant

    Towshab had repeatedly said that when the Messiah arrived, everyone would know it, what with the glorious triumphant messianic prophecies being fulfilled.

    Mandy, I have a question for you: Have you ever read in the scriptures: The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone.

    The one who “carried the very sin of many people, and for the transgressors he proceeded to interpose” this one who “will bring a righteous standing to many people; and their errors he himself will bear”–this one despite doing all this, the scripture says of him: “He was despised, and we held him as of no account.” (Is 53:12,3)

    BUT HOW CAN THIS BE?

    PSALM 118:22
    “The stone that the builders rejected Has become the head of the corner.”

    Generally speaking, the Israelites, stumbled over the stone of Jesus.
    ISAIAH 8:14-15
    “And he must become as a sacred place; but as a stone to strike against and as a rock over which to stumble to both the houses of Israel, as a trap and as a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them will be certain to stumble and to fall and be broken, and to be snared and caught.”

    MATTHEW 21:42,44
    “Jesus said to them: “Did YOU never read in the Scriptures, ‘The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and it is marvelous in our eyes’?”. . . .“Also, the person falling upon this stone will be shattered. As for anyone upon whom it falls, it will pulverize him.””

    Again, Mandy, I ask:
    The one who “carried the very sin of many people, and for the transgressors he proceeded to interpose” this one who “will bring a righteous standing to many people; and their errors he himself will bear”–this one despite doing all this, the scripture says of him: “He was despised, and we held him as of no account.” (Is 53:12,3)

    BUT HOW CAN THIS BE?

    david

    #80539
    david
    Participant

    REJECTED BY HIS OWN PEOPLE, THE JEWS
    ISAIAH 53:1,3
    “Who has put faith in the thing heard by us? And as for the arm of Jehovah, to whom has it been revealed? . . .He was despised and was avoided by men, a man meant for pains and for having acquaintance with sickness. And there was as if the concealing of one’s face from us. He was despised, AND WE HELD HIM AS OF NO ACCOUNT.”
    JOHN 1:11
    “He came to his own home, but his own people did not take him in.”
    LUKE 23:18
    “But with their whole multitude they cried out, saying: “Take this one away, but release Bar·ab́bas to us!””
    (By their rejection of Jesus as Messiah, the Jews fulfilled this prophecy.)

    NOT BELIEVED IN, BECOMES STONE OF STUMBLING
    ISAIAH 53:1,3
    “Who has put faith in the thing heard by us? And as for the arm of Jehovah, to whom has it been revealed? . . .He was despised and was avoided by men, a man meant for pains and for having acquaintance with sickness. And there was as if the concealing of one’s face from us. He was despised, and we held him as of no account.”
    PSALM 69:8
    “I have become one estranged to my brothers, And a foreigner to the sons of my mother.”
    PSALM 118:22,23
    “The stone that the builders rejected Has become the head of the corner. This has come to be from Jehovah himself; It is wonderful in our eyes.”
    ISAIAH 8:14-15
    “And he must become as a sacred place; but as a stone to strike against and as a rock over which to stumble to both the houses of Israel, as a trap and as a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them will be certain to stumble and to fall and be broken, and to be snared and caught.”
    ISAIAH 28:16
    “therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a stone, a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation. No one exercising faith will get panicky.”

    ROMANS 10:11,16
    “For the Scripture says: “None that rests his faith on him will be disappointed.”. . . .“Nevertheless, they did not all obey the good news. For Isaiah says: “Jehovah, who put faith in the thing heard from us?””
    JOHN 12:37-38
    “But although he had performed so many signs before them, they were not putting faith in him, so that the word of Isaiah the prophet was fulfilled which he said: “Jehovah, who has put faith in the thing heard by us? And as for the arm of Jehovah, to whom has it been revealed?””
    ACTS 3:14
    “Yes, YOU disowned that holy and righteous one, and YOU asked for a man, a murderer, to be freely granted to YOU,”
    ACTS 4:11
    “This is ‘the stone that was treated by YOU builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’”
    LUKE 20:17-18
    “But he looked upon them and said: “What, then, does this that is written mean, ‘The stone which the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone’? Everyone falling upon that stone will be shattered. As for anyone upon whom it falls, it will pulverize him.””
    1 PETER 2:6-8
    “For it is contained in Scripture: “Look! I am laying in Zion a stone, chosen, a foundation cornerstone, precious; and no one exercising faith in it will by any means come to disappointment.” It is to YOU, therefore, that he is precious, because YOU are believers; but to those not believing, “the identical stone that the builders rejected has become [the] head of [the] corner,” and “a stone of stumbling and a rock-mass of offense.” These are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were also appointed.”
    ROMANS 9:31-33
    “but Israel, although pursuing a law of righteousness, did not attain to the law. For what reason? Because he pursued it, not by faith, but as by works. They stumbled on the “stone of stumbling”; as it is written: “Look! I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock-mass of offense, but he that rests his faith on it will not come to disappointment.””

    #80540
    david
    Participant

    In the thread, “the real king Messiah” Towshab writes (on pages 2 and 3):

    “It [Jesus lineage] will be proven when all of the others [prophecies] take place. Through them, all will know that the King Messiah is of the lineage of David.”

    “You act as if the King Messiah will have to prove himself. G-d will do the proving because he will be G-d's Messiah.”

    Will ALL know that he is the messiah, as Tow states?

    ISAIAH 28:16
    “therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a stone, a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation. No one exercising faith will get panicky.”

    DOES IT SAY EVERYONE WOULD EXECRCISE FAITH IN THIS ONE? OR DOES IT SAY THAT “NO ONE EXERCISING FAITH” WOULD GET PANICKY?”

    PSALM 118:22,23
    “The stone that the builders rejected Has become the head of the corner. This has come to be from Jehovah himself; It is wonderful in our eyes.”

    THIS PRECIOUS CORNERSTONE THAT ISAIAH SPOKE OF ABOVE, WHAT WILL HE BE TO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES OF ISRAEL, OF THE INHABITANTS OF JERUSALEM? NOTICE:

    ISAIAH 8:14-15
    “And he must become as a sacred place; but as a stone to strike against and as a rock over which to stumble to both the houses of Israel, as a trap and as a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them will be certain to stumble and to fall and be broken, and to be snared and caught.”

    #80541

    Hi All.

    Messianic prophecies fulfilled by Messiah Yeshua (Jesus Christ)

    Over 300 Messianic prophecies found in the Old Testament or Tanakh were fulfilled by Messiah Yeshua (Jesus Christ) & are recorded in the New Testament!

    Messianic prophecies fulfilled by Messiah Yeshua (Jesus Christ)

    Today, over 1.8 billion people profess to be Christians. Tens of millions of these non-Jews are faithful believers. Did the Bible foretell that a Jewish Messiah would be believed upon by the nations?

    (The Hebrew word goyim is translated into English as Gentiles or nations)

    Jesus hailed from Galilee: “…In Galilee of the Gentiles. The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in the land of the shadow of death, upon them a light has shined…For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”- Isaiah 9:2-6
    Messiah from David's house and followed by Gentiles: “…There shall be a Root of Jesse, Who shall stand as a banner to the people; For the Gentiles shall seek Him, And His resting place shall be glorious.” – Isaiah 11:10

    Messiah would disseminate Law of Moses to the nations: “Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.”- Isaiah 42:6
    Messiah birthed from a woman and hidden, also despised by Israel. “…The Lord has called Me from the womb; From the matrix of My mother He has made mention of My name. And He has made My mouth like a sharp sword; In the shadow of His hand He has hidden Me, And made Me a polished shaft; In His quiver He has hidden Me.” … “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant, To raise up the tribes of Jacob, And to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth. Thus says the Lord, The Redeemer of Israel, their Holy One, To Him whom man despises, To Him whom the nation abhors, To the Servant of rulers: “Kings shall see and arise, Princes also shall worship, Because of the Lord who is faithful, The Holy One of Israel; And He has chosen You.” – Isaiah 49:1-7

    Nations to spend their wealth on raising churches and memorials to Messiah: “The Gentiles shall come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising.” … The wealth of the Gentiles shall come to you. – Isaiah 60:3
    Incense burned in Messiah's name worldwide: “For from the rising of the sun, even to its going down, My name shall be great among the Gentiles; In every place incense shall be offered to My name, And a pure offering; For My name shall be great among the nations,” says the Lord of hosts.”- Malachi 1:11

    Jews scattered for rejection of Messiah: “The Gentiles shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity; because they were unfaithful to Me, therefore I hid My face from them. I gave them into the hand of their enemies, and they all fell by the sword.”- Ezekiel 39:23
    Which Jewish person, from the House of David, made secretly inside a woman's womb, lived in Galilee and was despised by [most of] Israel, now has worldwide worshippers (from among all the Gentiles who spend their wealth in His name and service) and came to earth to be rejected just before Israel was scattered in 70 AD?

    His name is Yeshua in Hebrew or Jesus in English. His name means salvation. His title is Maschiach in Hebrew (Messiah), or Christ in English. Both Messiah and Christ (from the Greek – Christos), means the Anointed One. He is the promised anointed prophet, priest, and king. Jesus the Messiah is the Son of God and Savior. Yeshua is the second person of the Godhead or Trinity.

    Prophecy from the Tenakh or Hebrew Scriptures, chapter and verse(s); and the New Testament Fulfillment, chapter(s) and verse(s):
    1.     His pre-existence Micah 5:2 John 1:1, 14
    2.     Born of the seed of a woman Genesis 3:15 Matthew 1:18
    3.     Of the seed of Abraham Genesis 12:3 Matthew 1:1-16
    4.     All nations blessed by Abraham's seed Genesis 12:3 Matthew 8:5, 10
    5.     God would provide Himself a Lamb as an offering Genesis 22:8 John 1:29  
    6.     From the tribe of Judah Genesis 49:10 Matthew 1:1-3
    7.     Heir to the throne of David Isaiah 9:6-7 Matthew 1:1
    8.     Called “The mighty God, The everlasting Father” Isaiah 9:6 Matthew 1:23
    9.     Born in Bethlehem Micah 5:2 Matthew 2:1
    10.    Born of a virgin Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:18
    11.    His name called Immanuel, “God with us” Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:23
    12.    Declared to be the Son of God Psalm 2:7 Matthew 3:17
    13.    His messenger before Him in spirit of Elijah Malachi 4:5-6 Luke 1:17
    14.    Preceded by a messenger to prepare His way Malachi 3:1 Matthew 11:7-11
    15.    Messenger crying “Prepare ye the way of the Lord” Isaiah 40:3 Matthew 3:3
    16.    Would be a Prophet of the children of Israel Deuteronomy 18:15 Matthew 2:15
    17.    Called out of Egypt Hosea 11:1 Matthew 2:15
    18.    Slaughter of the children Jeremiah 31:15  Matthew 2:18
    19.     Would be a Nazarene Judges 13:5; Amos 2:11; Matthew 2:23  
    20.     Brought light to Zebulun & Naphtali and
    21.     brought honor to the Galilee of the Gentiles Isaiah 9:1-2 Matthew 4:15
    22.     Presented with gifts Psalm 72:10 Matthew 2:1, 11
    23.     Rejected by His own Isaiah 53:3 Matthew 21:42; Mark 8:31, 12:10; Luke 9:22, 17:25
    24.     He is the stone which the builders rejected which became the headstone Psalm       118:22-23; Isaiah 28:16 Matthew 21:42; I Peter 2:7
    25.     A stone of stumbling to Israel Isaiah 8:14-15 I Peter 2:8
    26.     He entered Jerusalem as a king
    27.     Riding on an ass Zechariah 9:9 Matthew 21:5
    28.     Betrayed by a friend Psalms 41:9 John 13:21
    29.     Sold for 30 pieces of silver Zechariah 11:12 Matthew 26:15; Luke 22:5
    30.     The 30 pieces of silver given for the potter's field Zechariah 11:12 Matthew 27:9-10
    31.     The 30 pieces of silver thrown in the temple Zechariah 11:13 Matthew 27:5
    32.     Forsaken by His disciples Zechariah 13:7 Matthew 26:56
    33.     Accused by false witnesses Psalm 35:11 Matthew 26:60
    34.     Silent to accusations Isaiah 53:7 Matthew 27:14
    35.     Heal blind/deaf/lame/dumb Isaiah 35:5-6; Isaiah 29:18 Matthew 11:5
    36.     Preached to the poor/brokenhearted/captives Isaiah 61:1 Matthew 11:5
    37.     Came to bring a sword, not peace Micah 7:6 Matthew 10:34-35
    38.     He bore our sickness Isaiah 53:4  Matthew 8:16-17
    39.     Spat upon, smitten and scourged Isaiah 50:6, 53:5 Matthew 27:26, 30
    40.     Smitten on the cheek Micah 5:1 Matthew 27:30
    41.     Hated without a cause Psalm 35:19 Matthew 27:23
    42.     The sacrificial lamb Isaiah 53:5 John 1:29
    43.     Given for a covenant Isaiah 42:6; Jeremiah 31:31-34 Romans 11:27/Galatians 3:17,       4:24/Hebrews 8:6, 8, 10; 10:16, 29; 12:24; 13:20
    44.     Would not strive or cry Isaiah 42:2-3 Mark 7:36
    45.     People would hear not and see not Isaiah 6:9-10 Matthew 13:14-15
    46.     People trust in traditions of men Isaiah 29:13 Matthew 15:9
    47.     People give God lip service Isaiah 29:13 Matthew 15:8
    48.     God delights in Him Isaiah 42:1 Matthew 3:17, 17:5
    49.     Wounded for our sins Isaiah 53:5 John 6:51
    50.     He bore the sins of many Isaiah 53:10-12 Mark 10:45
    51.     Messiah not killed for Himself Daniel 9:26 Matthew 20:28
    52.     Gentiles flock to Him Isaiah 55:5, 60:3, 65:1; Malachi 1:11;
    53.     II Samuel 22:44-45; Psalm 2:7-8 Matthew 8:10
    54.     Crucified with criminals Isaiah 53:12 Matthew 27:35
    55.     His body was pierced Zechariah 12:10; Ps. 22:16 John 20:25, 27
    56.     Thirsty
    during execution Psalm 22:16 John 19:28
    57.     Given vinegar and gall for thirst Psalm 69:21 Matthew 27:34
    58.     Soldiers gambled for his garment Psalm 22:18 Matthew 27:35
    59.     People mocked, “He trusted in God, let Him deliver him!”  Psalm 22:7-8 Matthew 27:43
    60.     People sat there looking at Him Psalm 22:17 Matthew 27:36
    61.     Cried, “My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?”  Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46
    62.     Darkness over the land Amos 8:9 Matthew 27:45
    63.     No bones broken Psalm 34:20, Numbers 9:12 John 19:33-36
    64.     Side pierced Zechariah 12:10 John 19:34
    65.     Buried with the rich Isaiah 53:9 Matthew 27:57, 60
    66.     Resurrected from the dead Psalm 16:10-11; 49:15 Mark 16:6
    67.     Priest after the order of Melchizedek Psalm 110:4 Hebrews 5:5-6; 6:20; 7:15-17
    68.     Ascended to right hand of God Psalm 68:18 Luke 24:51
    69.     The LORD said unto Him, “Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool  Psalm 110:1 Matt 22:44; Mark 12:36;, 16:19; Luke 20:42-43; Acts 2:34-35; Hebrews 1:13
    70.     His coming glory Malachi 3:2-3 Luke 3:17  
    Over 300 Messianic Prophecies fulfilled by Yeshua
    1.     Gen. 3:15…..He will bruise Satan's head…..Heb. 2:14, 1 Jn. 3:18
    2.     Gen. 9:26,27…The God of Shem will be the Son of Shem…Lu. 3:36
    3.     Gen. 12:3…As Abraham's seed,will bless all nations…Acts. 3:25,26
    4.     Gen. 12:7…The Promise made to Abraham's Seed…Gal. 3:16
    5.     Gen. 14:18…A priest after Melchizedek…Heb. 6:20
    6.     Gen. 14:18……..A King also……..Heb. 7:2
    7.     Gen. 14:18…The Last Supper foreshadowed…Mt. 26:26-29
    8.     Gen. 17:19…….The Seed of Isaac…….Rom. 9:7
    9.     Gen. 22:8…The Lamb of God promised…Jn. 1:29
    10.     Gen. 22:18…As Isaac's seed, will bless all nations…Gal. 3:16
    11.     Gen.26:2-5..The Seed of Isaac promised as the Redeemer..Heb.11:18
    12.     Gen. 49:10…The time of His coming…Lu. 2:1-7; Gal. 4:4
    13.     Gen. 49:10…….The Seed of Judah…….Lu. 3:33
    14.     Gen. 49:10……Called Shiloh or One Sent……Jn. 17:3
    15.     Gen. 49:10…To come before Judah lost identity…Jn. 11:47-52
    16.     Gen. 49:10…To Him shall the obedience of the people be…Jn. 10:16
    17.     Ex. 3:13,14……..The Great “I Am”…….Jn. 4:26
    18.     Ex. 12:5…A Lamb without blemish…1 Pet. 1:19
    19.     Ex. 12:13…The blood of the Lamb saves from wrath…Rom. 5:8
    20.     Ex. 12:21-27…Christ is our Passover…1 Cor. 5;7
    21.     Ex. 12:46…Not a bone of the Lamb to be broken…Jn. 19:31-36
    22.     Ex. 15:2…His exaltation predicted as Yeshua…Acts 7:55,56
    23.     Ex. 15:11…His Character-Holiness…Luke 1:35; Acts 4:27
    24.     Ex. 17:6…The Spiritual Rock of Israel…1 Cor. 10;4
    25.     Ex. 33:19…His Character-Merciful…Lu. 1:72
    26.     Lev.14:11..The leper cleansed-Sign to priesthood..Lu.5:12-14; Acts 6:7
    27.     Lev.16:15-17…Prefigures Christ's once-for-all death…Heb. 9:7-14
    28.     Lev.16:27…Suffering outside the Camp…Mt. 27:33; Heb. 13:11, 12
    29.     Lev.17:11…The Blood-the life of the flesh…Mt. 26;28; Mk. 10:45
    30.     Lev.17:11…It is the blood that makes atonement…1 Jn. 3:14-18
    31.     Lev.23:36-37…The Drink-offering: “If any man thirst.” ..Jn. 19:31-36
    32.     Num. 9:12…Not a bone of Him broken…John 19:31-36
    33.     Num. 21:9…The serpent on a pole-Christ lifted up…Jn. 3:14-18
    34.     Num. 24:17…Time: “I shall see him, but not now.”…Gal. 4:4
    35.     Deut. 18:15…”This is of a truth that prophet.”…Jn. 6:14
    36.     Deut. 18:15-16…”Had ye believed Moses, ye would believe me.”…Jn. 5:45-47
    37.     Deut. 18:18…Sent by the Father to speak His word…Jn. 8:28, 29
    38.     Deut. 18:19…Whoever will not hear must bear his sin…Jn. 12:15,
    39.     Deut. 21:23…Cursed is he that hangs on a tree…Gal. 3:10-13
    40.     Ruth 4:4-9…Christ, our kinsman, has redeemed us…Eph. 1:3-7
    41.     1 Sam. 2:10…Shall be an anointed King to the Lord…Mt. 28:18; Jn. 12:15
    42.     2 Sam. 7:12…David's Seed…Mt. 1:1
    43.     2 Sam. 7:14a…The Son of God… Lu. 1:32
    44.     2 Sam. 7:16…David's house established forever…Lu. 3:31; Rev. 22:16
    45.     2 Ki. 2:11…The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated…Lu. 24:51
    46.     1 Chr. 17:11…David's Seed…Mt. 1:1; 9:27
    47.     1 Chr. 17:12, 13a…To reign on David's throne forever…Lu. 1:32, 33
    48.     1 Chr. 17:13a…”I will be His Father, He…my Son.”…Heb. 1:5
    49.     Job 19:23-27…The Resurrection predicted…Jn. 5:24-29
    50.     Psa. 2:1-3…The enmity of kings foreordained…Acts 4:25-28
    51.     Psa. 2:2…To own the title, Anointed (Christ)…Acts 2:36
    52.     Ps. 2:6…His Character-Holiness…Jn. 8:46; Rev. 3:7
    53.     Ps. 2:6…To own the title King…Mt. 2:2
    54.     Ps. 2:7…Declared the Beloved Son…Mt. 3;17
    55.     Psa. 2:7, 8…The Crucifixion and Resurrection intimated…Acts 13:29-33
    56.     Psa. 2:12…Life comes through faith in Him…Jn. 20:31
    57.     Psa. 8:2…The mouths of babes perfect His praise…Mt. 21:16
    58.     Psa. 8:5, 6…His humiliation and exaltation…Lu. 24:50-53; 1 Cor. 15:27
    59.     Psa. 16:10…Was not to see corruption…Acts 2:31
    60.     Psa. 16:9-11…Was to arise from the dead…Jn. 20:9
    61.     Psa. 17;15…The resurrection predicted…Lu. 24:6
    62.     Psa. 22:1…Forsaken because of sins of others…2 Cor. 5:21
    63.     Psa. 22:1…Words spoken from Calvary, “My God…” Mk. 15:34
    64.     Psa. 22:2…Darkness upon Calvary…Mt. 27:45
    65.     Psa. 22:7…They shoot out the lip and shake the head…Mt. 27:39
    66.     Psa. 22:8..”He trusted in God, let Him deliver Him”…Mt. 27:43
    67.     Psa. 22:9……Born the Saviour……Lu. 2:7
    68.     Psa. 22:14…Died of a broken (ruptured)heart…Jn. 19:34
    69.     Psa. 22:14,15…Suffered agony on Calvary…Mk. 15:34-37
    70.     Psa. 22:15……..He thirsted……..Jn. 19:28
    71.     Psa. 22:16…They pierced His hands and His feet….Jn. 19:34,37;20:27
    72.     Psa. 22:17,18…Stripped Him before the stares of men…Lu. 23:34,35
    73.     Psa. 22:18…..They parted His garments…..Jn. 19:23,24
    74.     Psa. 22:20,21…He committed Himself to God…Lu.23:46
    75.     Psa. 22:20,21..Satanic power bruising the Redeemer's heel..Heb. 2:14
    76.     Psa. 22:22…..His Resurrection declared…..Jn. 20:17
    77.     Psa. 22:27…He shall be the governor of the nations…Col 1:16
    78.     Psa. 22:31……”It is finished”……Jn. 19:30
    79.     Psa. 23:1….”I am the Good Shephard”….Jn. 10:11
    80.     Psa. 24:3……His exaltation predicted……Acts 1:11; Phil. 2:9
    81.     Psa. 30:3……His resurrection predicted……Acts 2:32
    82.     Psa. 31:5…”Into thy hands I commit my spirit”…Lu. 23:46
    83.     Psa. 31:11…His acquaintances fled from Him…Mk. 14:50
    84.     Psa. 31:13…They took counsel to put Him to death…Jn. 11:53
    85.     Psa. 31:14,15…” He trusted in God, let Him deliver him”…Mt. 27:43
    86.     Psa. 34:20…..Not a bone of Him broken…..Jn 19:31-36
    87.     Psa. 35:11….False witnesses rose up against Him….Mt. 26:59
    88.     Psa. 35:19…He was hated without a cause…Jn. 15:25
    89.     Psa. 38:11…..His friends stood afar off…..Lu. 23:49
    90.     Psa. 40:2-5…The joy of His resurrection predicted…Jn. 20:20
    91.     Psa. 40:6-8….His delight-the will of the Father….Jn. 4:34
    92.     Psa. 40:9….He was to preach the Righteousness in Israel….Mt. 4:17
    93.     Psa. 40:14…Confronted by adversaries in the Garden…Jn. 18:4-6
    94.     Psa. 41:9…..Betrayed by a familiar friend…..Jn. 13:18
    95.     Psa. 45:2…Words of Grace come from His lips…Lu. 4:22
    96.     Psa. 45:6…To ow
    n the title, God or Elohim…Heb. 1:8
    97.     Psa. 45:7…A special anointing by the Holy Spirit…Mt.3:16; Heb.1:9
    98.     Psa. 45:7,8…Called the Christ (Messiah or Anointed)…Lu. 2:11
    99.     Psa. 55:12-14…Betrayed by a friend, not an enemy…Jn. 13:18
    100.     Psa. 55:15…Unrepentant death of the Betrayer…Mt. 27:3-5; Acts 1:16-19
    101.     Psa. 68:18…To give gifts to men…Eph. 4:7-16
    102.     Psa. 68:18…Ascended into Heaven…Lu. 24:51
    103.     Psa. 69:4…Hated without a cause…Jn. 15:25
    104.     Psa. 69:8…A stranger to own brethren…Lu. 8;20,21
    105.     Psa. 69:9…Zealous for the Lord's House…Jn. 2:17
    106.     Psa. 69:14-20…Messiah's anguish of soul before crucifixion…Mt. 26:36-45
    107.     Psa. 69:20…”My soul is exceeding sorrowful.”…Mt. 26:38
    108.     Psa. 69:21…Given vinegar in thirst…Mt. 27:34
    109.     Psa. 69:26…The Saviour given and smitten by God…Jn. 17:4; 18:11
    110.     Psa. 72:10,11…Great persons were to visit Him…Mt. 2:1-11
    111.     Psa. 72:16…The corn of wheat to fall into the Ground…Jn. 12:24
    112.     Psa. 72:17…His name, Yinon, will produce offspring…Jn. 1:12,13
    113.     Psa. 72:17…All nations shall be blessed by Him…Acts 2:11,12,41
    114.     Psa. 78:1.2…He would teach in parables…Mt. 13:34-35
    115.     Psa. 78:2b…To speak the Wisdom of God with authority…Mt. 7:29
    116.     Psa. 88:8…They stood afar off and watched…Lu. 23:49
    117.     Psa. 89:27…Emmanuel to be higher than earthly kings…Lu. 1:32,33
    118.     Psa. 89:35-37…David's Seed, throne, kingdom endure forever…Lu. 1:32,33
    119.     Psa. 89:36-37…His character-Faithfulness…Rev. 1:5
    120.     Psa. 90:2…He is from everlasting (Micah 5:2)…Jn. 1:1
    121.     Psa. 91:11,12…Identified as Messianic; used to tempt Christ…Lu. 4;10,11
    122.     Psa. 97:9…His exaltation predicted…Acts 1:11;Eph. 1:20
    123.     Psa. 100:5…His character-Goodness…Mt. 19:16,17
    124.     Psa. 102:1-11…The Suffering and Reproach of Calvary…Jn. 21:16-30
    125.     Psa. 102:25-27…Messiah is the Preexistent Son…Heb. 1:10-12
    126.     Psa. 109:25…Ridiculed…Mt. 27:39
    127.     Psa. 110:1…Son of David…Mt. 22:43
    128.     Psa. 110:1…To ascend to the right-hand of the Father…Mk.16:19
    129.     Psa. 110:1…David's son called Lord…Mt. 22:44,45
    130.     Psa. 110:4…A priest after Melchizedek's order…Heb. 6:20
    131.     Psa. 112:4…His character-Compassionate, Gracious, et al… Mt. 9;36
    132.     Psa. 118:17,18…Messiah's Resurrection assured…Lu. 24:5-7;1 Cor. 15:20
    133.     Psa. 118:22,23…The rejected stone is Head of the corner…Mt. 21:42,43
    134.     Psa. 118:26a…The Blessed One presented to Israel…Mt. 21:9
    135.     Psa. 118:26b…To come while Temple standing…Mt. 21;12-15
    136.     Psa. 132:11…The Seed of David(the fruit of His Body)…Lu. 1:32
    137.     Psa. 138:1-6…The supremacy of David's Seed amazes kings… Mt. 2:2-6
    138.     Psa. 147:3,6…The earthly ministry of Christ described…Lu. 4:18
    139.     Psa. 1:23…He will send the Spirit of God… Jn. 16;7
    140.     Song. 5;16…The altogether lovely One…Jn. 1:17
    141.     Isa. 6:1…When Isaiah saw His glory… Jn. 12:40-41
    142.     Isa. 6:9-10…Parables fall on deaf ears…Mt. 13:13-15
    143.     Isa. 6:9-12…Blinded to Christ and deaf to His words…Acts. 28:23-29
    144.     Isa. 7:14…To be born of a virgin…Lu. 1:35
    145.     Isa. 7:14…To be Emmanuel-God with us… Mt. 1:18-23
    146.     Isa. 8:8…Called Emmanuel…Mt. 28:20
    147.     Isa. 8:14…A stone of stumbling, a Rock of offense… 1 Pet. 2:8
    148.     Isa. 9:1,2…His ministry to begin in Galilee…Mt. 4:12-17
    149.     Isa. 9:6…A child born-Humanity…Lu. 1:31
    150.     Isa. 9:6…A Son given-Deity…Lu. 1:32; Jn. 1;14; 1 Tim. 3:16
    151.     Isa. 9:6…Declared to be the Son of God with power… Rom. 1:3,4
    152.     Isa. 9:6…The Wonderful One, Peleh…Lu. 4:22
    153.     Isa. 9:6…The Counsellor, Yaatz…Mt. 13:54
    154.     Isa. 9:6…The Mighty God, El Gibor…Mt. 11:20
    155.     Isa. 9:6…The Everlasting Father, Avi Adth…Jn. 8:58
    156.     Isa. 9:6…The Prince of Peace, Sar Shalom…Jn . 16:33
    157.     Isa. 9:7…To establish an everlasting kingdom…Lu. 1:32-33
    158.     Isa. 9:7…His Character-Just…Jn. 5:30
    159.     Isa. 9:7…No end to his Government, Throne, and Peace…Lu. 1:32-33
    160.     Isa. 11:1…Called a Nazarene-the Branch, Netzer…Mt. 2:23
    161.     Isa. 11:1…A rod out of Jesse-Son of Jesse…Lu. 3:23,32
    162.     Isa. 11:2…The anointed One by the Spirit…Mt. 3;16,17
    163.     Isa. 11:2…His Character-Wisdom, Understanding, et al….Jn. 4:4-26
    164.     Isa. 11:4…His Character-Truth…Jn. 14:6
    165.     Isa. 11:10…The Gentiles seek Him…Jn. 12:18-21
    166.     Isa. 12:2…Called Jesus-Yeshua…Mt. 1:21
    167.     Isa. 25:8…The Resurrection predicted…I Cor. 15:54
    168.     Isa. 26:19…His power of Resurrection predicted…Jn. 11:43,44
    169.     Isa. 28:16…The Messiah is the precious corner stone…Acts 4:11,12
    170.     Isa. 29:13…He indicated hypocritical obedience to His Word…Mt. 15:7-9
    171.     Isa. 29:14…The wise are confounded by the Word…I Cor. 1:18-31
    172.     Isa. 32:2…A Refuge-A man shall be a hiding place…Mt. 23:37
    173.     Isa. 35:4…He will come and save you…Mt. 1:21
    174.     Isa. 35:5…To have a ministry of miracles…Mt. 11:4-6
    175.     Isa. 40:3,4…Preceded by forerunner…Jn. 1:23
    176.     Isa. 40:9…”Behold your God.”…Jn. 1:36;19:14
    177.     Isa. 40:11…A shepherd-compassionatelife-giver…Jn. 10:10-18
    178.     Isa. 42:1-4…The Servant-as a faithful, patient redeemer… Mt.12:18-21
    179.     Isa. 42:2…Meek and lowly… Mt. 11:28-30
    180.     Isa. 42:3…He brings hope for the hopeless… Jn. 4
    181.     Isa. 42:4…The nations shall wait on His teachings… Jn. 12:20-26
    182.     Isa. 42:6…The Light (salvation) of the Gentiles…Lu. 2:32
    183.     Isa. 42:1,6…His is a Worldwide compassion… Mt. 28:19,20
    184.     Isa. 42:7…Blind eyes opened… Jn. 9:25-38
    185.     Isa. 43:11…He is the only Saviour… Acts. 4:12
    186.     Isa. 44:3…He will send the Spirit of God… Jn. 16:7,13
    187.     Isa. 45:23…He will be the Judge… Jn. 5:22;Rom. 14:11
    188.     Isa. 48:12…The First and the Last…Jn. 1:30;Rev. 1:8,17
    189.     Isa. 48:17…He came as a Teacher…Jn. 3:2
    190.     Isa. 49:1…Called from the womb-His humanity…Mt. 1:18
    191.     Isa. 49:5…A Servant from the womb…Lu. 1:31;Phil. 2:7
    192.     Isa. 49:6…He is Salvation for Israel…Lu. 2:29-32
    193.     Isa. 49:6…He is the Light of the Gentiles…Acts 13:47
    194.     Isa. 49:6…He is Salvation unto the ends of the earth… Acts 15:7-18
    195.     Isa. 49:7…He is despised of the Nation… Jn. 8:48-49
    196.     Isa. 50:3…Heaven is clothed in black at His humiliation… Lu. 23:44,45
    197.     Isa. 50:4…He is a learned counsellor for the weary… Mt. 11:28,29
    198.     Isa. 50:5…The Servant bound willingly to obedience… Mt. 26:39
    199.     Isa. 50:6a…”I gave my back to the smiters.”… Mt. 27:26
    200.     Isa. 50:6b…He was smitten on the cheeks… Mt. 26:67
    201.     Isa. 50:6c…He was spat upon… Mt. 27:30
    202.     Isa. 52:7…To publish good tidings of peace… Lu. 4:14,15
    203.     Isa. 52:13…The Servant exalted…Acts 1:8-11; Eph. 1:19-22
    204.     Isa. 52:13…Behold, My Servant… Mt. 17:5; Phil. 2:5-8
    205.     Isa. 52:14…The Servant shockingly abused… Lu. 18:31-34; Mt. 26:67,68
    206.     Isa. 52:15…Nations startled by message of the Servant… Rom. 15:18-21
    207.     Isa. 52:15…His blood shed to make atonement for all… Rev. 1:5
    208.     Isa. 53:1…His people woul
    d not believe Him… Jn. 12:37-38
    209.     Isa. 53:2a…He would grow up in a poor family…. Lu. 2:7
    210.     Isa. 53:2b…Appearance of an ordinary man… Phil. 2:7-8
    211.     Isa. 53:3a…Despised…. Lu. 4:28-29
    212.     Isa. 53:3b…Rejected… Mt. 27:21-23
    213.     Isa. 53:3c…Great sorrow and grief… Lu. 19:41-42
    214.     Isa. 53:3d…Men hide from being associated with Him… Mk. 14:50-52
    215.     Isa. 53:4a…He would have a healing ministry… Lu. 6:17-19
    216.     Isa. 53:4b…He would bear the sins of the world… 1 Pet. 2:24
    217.     Isa. 53:4c…Thought to be cursed by God… Mt. 27:41-43
    218.     Isa. 53:5a…Bears penalty for mankind's transgressions… Lu. 23:33
    219.     Isa. 53:5b…His sacrifice would provide peace between man and God… Col. 1:20
    220.     Isa. 53:5c…His back would be whipped… Mt. 27:26
    221.     Isa. 53:6a…He would be the sin-bearer for all mankind…Gal. 1:4
    222.     Isa. 53:6b…God's will that He bear sin for all mankind… 1 Jn. 4:10
    223.     Isa. 53:7a…Oppressed and afflicted… Mt. 27:27-31
    224.     Isa. 53:7b…Silent before his accusers… Mt. 27:12-14
    225.     Isa. 53:7c…Sacrificial lamb… Jn. 1:29
    226.     Isa. 53:8a…Confined and persecuted… Mt. 26:47-27:31
    227.     Isa. 53:8b…He would be judged… Jn. 18:13-22
    228.     Isa. 53:8c…Killed…. Mt. 27:35
    229.     Isa. 53:8d…Dies for the sins of the world… 1 Jn. 2:2
    230.     Isa. 53:9a…Buried in a rich man's grave… Mt. 27:57
    231.     Isa. 53:9b…Innocent and had done no violence… Mk. 15:3
    232.     Isa. 53:9c…No deceit in his mouth… Jn. 18:38
    233.     Isa. 53:10a…God's will that He die for mankind… Jn. 18:11
    234.     Isa. 53:10b…An offering for sin… Mt. 20:28
    235.     Isa. 53:10c…Resurrected and live forever…. Mk. 16:16
    236.     Isa. 53:10d…He would prosper… Jn. 17:1-5
    237.     Isa. 53:11a…God fully satisfied with His suffering… Jn. 12:27
    238.     Isa. 53:11b…God's servant… Rom. 5:18-19
    239.     Isa. 53:11c…He would justify man before God… Rom. 5:8-9
    240.     Isa. 53:11d…The sin-bearer for all mankind… Heb. 9:28
    241.     Isa. 53:12a…Exalted by God because of his sacrifice… Mt. 28:18
    242.     Isa. 53:12b…He would give up his life to save mankind… Lu. 23:46
    243.     Isa. 53:12c…Grouped with criminals… Lu. 23:32
    244.     Isa. 53:12d…Sin-bearer for all mankind… 2 Cor. 5:21
    245.     Isa. 53:12e…Intercede to God in behalf of mankind… Lu. 23:34
    246.     Isa. 55:3…Resurrected by God… Acts 13:34
    247.     Isa. 55:4…A witness… Jn. 18:37
    248.     Isa. 59:15-16a…He would come to provide salvation… Jn. 6:40
    249.     Isa. 59:15-16b…Intercessor between man and God… Mt. 10:32
    250.     Isa. 59:20…He would come to Zion as their Redeemer… Lu. 2:38
    251.     Isa. 61:1-2a…The Spirit of God upon him… Mt. 3:16-17
    252.     Isa. 61:1-2b…The Messiah would preach the good news… Lu. 4:17-21
    253.     Isa. 61:1-2c…Provide freedom from the bondage of sin and death… Jn. 8:31-32
    254.     Isa. 61:1-2…Proclaim a period of grace… Jn. 5:24
    255.     Jer.23:5-6a…Descendant of David…Lu. 3:23-31
    256.     Jer. 23:5-6b…The Messiah would be God… Jn. 13:13
    257.     Jer. 23:5-6c…The Messiah would be both God and Man… 1 Tim. 3:16
    258.     Jer. 31:22…Born of a virgin… Mt. 1:18-20
    259.     Jer. 31:31…The Messiah would be the new covenant… Mt. 26:28
    260.     Jer. 33:14-15…Descendant of David… Lu. 3:23-31
    261.     Eze.17:22-24…Descendant of David… Lk. 3:23-31
    262.     Eze.34:23-24…Descendant of David… Mt. 1:1
    263.     Dan. 7:13-14a…He would ascend into heaven… Acts 1:9-11
    264.     Dan. 7:13-14b…Highly exalted… Eph. 1:20-22
    265.     Dan. 7:13-14c…His dominion would be everlasting… Lu. 1:31-33
    266.     Dan. 9:24a…To make an end to sins… Gal. 1:3-5
    267.     Dan. 9:24b…He would be holy… Lu. 1:35
    268.     Dan. 9:25…Announced to his people 483 years, to the exact day, after the decree to rebuild the city of Jerusalem… Jn. 12:12-13
    269.     Dan. 9:26a…Killed… Mt. 27:35
    270.     Dan. 9:26b…Die for the sins of the world… Heb. 2:9
    271.     Dan. 9:26c…Killed before the destruction of the temple… Mt. 27:50-51
    272.     Dan. 10:5-6…Messiah in a glorified state… Rev. 1:13-16
    273.     Hos. 13:14…He would defeat death… 1 Cor. 15:55-57
    274.     Joel 2:32…Offer salvation to all mankind… Rom. 10:12-13
    275.     Mic. 5:2a…Born in Bethlehem… Mt. 2:1-2
    276.     Mic. 5:2b…God's servant… Jn. 15:10
    277.     Mic. 5:2c…From everlasting… Jn. 8:58
    278.     Hag. 2:6-9…He would visit the second Temple… Lu. 2:27-32
    279.     Hag. 2:23…Descendant of Zerubbabel… Lu. 3:23-27
    280.     Zech. 3:8…God's servant… Jn. 17:4
    281.     Zech. 6:12-13…Priest and King… Heb. 8:1
    282.     Zech. 9:9a…Greeted with rejoicing in Jerusalem… Mt. 21:8-10
    283.     Zech. 9:9b…Beheld as King… Jn. 12:12-13
    284.     Zech. 9:9c…The Messiah would be just… Jn. 5:30
    285.     Zech. 9:9d…The Messiah would bring salvation… Luke 19:10
    286.     Zech. 9:9e…The Messiah would be humble… Mt. 11:29
    287.     Zech. 9:9f…Presented to Jerusalem riding on a donkey… Mt. 21:6-9
    288.     Zech. 10:4…The cornerstone… Eph. 2:20
    289.     Zech. 11:4-6a…At His coming, Israel to have unfit leaders… Mt. 23:1-4
    290.     Zech. 11:4-6b…Rejection causes God to remove His protection.. Lu. 19:41-44
    291.     Zech. 11:4-6c…Rejected in favor of another king… Jn. 19:13-15
    292.     Zech. 11:7…Ministry to “poor,” the believing remnant… Mt. 9:35-36
    293.     Zech. 11:8a…Unbelief forces Messiah to reject them… Mt. 23:33
    294.     Zech. 11:8b…Despised… Mt. 27:20
    295.     Zech. 11:9…Stops ministering to the those who rejected Him… Mt. 13:10-11
    296.     Zech. 11:10-11a…Rejection causes God to remove protection… Lu. 19:41-44
    297.     Zech. 11:10-11b…The Messiah would be God… Jn. 14:7
    298.     Zech. 11:12-13a…Betrayed for thirty pieces of silver… Mt. 26:14-15
    299.     Zech. 11:12-13b…Rejected… Mt. 26:14-15
    300.     Zech. 11:12-13c…Thirty pieces of silver thrown into the house of the Lord… Mt. 27:3-5
    301.     Zech. 11:12-13d…The Messiah would be God… Jn. 12:45
    302.     Zech. 12:10a…The Messiah's body would be pierced… Jn. 19:34-37
    303.     Zech. 12:10b…The Messiah would be both God and man… Jn. 10:30
    304.     Zech. 12:10c…The Messiah would be rejected… Jn. 1:11
    305.     Zech. 13:7a…God's will He die for mankind… Jn. 18:11
    306.     Zech. 13:7b…A violent death… Mt. 27:35
    307.     Zech. 13:7c…Both God and man.. Jn. 14:9
    308.     Zech. 13:7d…Israel scattered as a result of rejecting Him… Mt. 26:31-56
    309.     Mal. 3:1a…Messenger to prepare the way for Messiah… Mt. 11:10
    310.     Mal. 3:1b…Sudden appearance at the temple… Mk. 11:15-16
    311.     Mal. 3:1c…Messenger of the new covenant… Lu. 4:43
    312.     Mal. 4:5…Forerunner in the spirit of Elijah… Mt. 3:1-2
    313.     Mal. 4:6…Forerunner would turn many to righteousness… Lu. 1:16-17
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    Then I fell at his feet to worship him. But he *said to me, “Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus; worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

    Right before our eyes, millions all over the world are calling out to Jesus to be saved.

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    #80547
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi WJ,
    If Jesus is the Messiah of God why would you also make him that God?

    #80553
    david
    Participant

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    Hi WJ,
    If Jesus is the Messiah of God why would you also make him that God?

    Wrong THREAD, Nick. There are another 17 threads devoted to that subject.
    Note my words in the opening post and please, please, let us discuss that subject:

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    I would really like to keep this thread to only discussing the prophecies of the Hebrew scriptures and how they relate to Jesus.

    WJ, if you do respond to him, please do so in another thread. Thankyou.

    #80554
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Good call.

    #80557
    Not3in1
    Participant

    OK, this thread is amazing. And yes, thank you for keeping it on track. There is so much information here that currently I am totally overwhelmed (but in a good way). I've been really sick this week, but I'm still checking in and grabing bits and pieces from this thread!

    One thing that strikes me as I look at WJ's post, is that some of these listed have been shown to point to other people, but because we are conditioned to see Jesus is the text – we apply it to Jesus. This is really going to take some time for me to look all of these up and read them in context (to make sure they apply to Jesus).

    Boy, this “….testing all things….” can be exhausting work.

    Many thanks, brothers!
    Love to you all,
    Mandy

    #80570
    Towshab
    Participant

    This link will help with the long list given by WJ
    http://uk.geocities.com/hesedyahu/Tanakh/index.html

    Look for the first page starting with “Introduction, Genesis-Deuteronomy”

    #80575
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Tow,
    Why should we join in your search for confusion?
    We walk in the light and do not await the darkness.
    You have offered nothing useful so why would you now?

    #80654
    david
    Participant

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    One thing that strikes me as I look at WJ's post, is that some of these listed have been shown to point to other people, but because we are conditioned to see Jesus is the text – we apply it to Jesus. This is really going to take some time for me to look all of these up and read them in context (to make sure they apply to Jesus).

    Yes, it's taking me quite a while as well. But something to consider.

    MULTIPLE FULFILLMENT
    The use made of prophecy by Jesus and his disciples shows that a predictive prophecy may have more than one fulfillment, as when Paul referred to Habakkuk’s prophecy, originally fulfilled in Babylon’s desolation of Judah, and applied it in his day. (Hab 1:5, 6; Ac 13:40, 41) Jesus showed that Daniel’s prophecy concerning “the disgusting thing that is causing desolation” was due for fulfillment in the generation then living; yet Daniel’s prophecy also connects “the disgusting thing” causing desolation with the “time of the end.” (Da 9:27; 11:31-35; Mt 24:15, 16) Jesus’ own prophecy regarding the conclusion of the system of things likewise includes mention of his coming in Kingdom power, which did not take place in the first century C.E. (Mt 24:29, 30; Lu 21:25-32) This indicates a dual fulfillment.

    Hence, in discussing the matter of double fulfillment of prophecy, M’Clintock and Strong’s Cyclopaedia (1894, Vol. VIII, p. 635) comments: “This view of the fulfilment of prophecy seems necessary for the explanation of our Lord’s prediction on the Mount, relating at once to the fall of Jerusalem and to the end of the Christian dispensation.”

    Psalm 2, is I think a good example. Look at 2:1,2. The first application was at the time when philisitine kings tried to unseat annointed king david.

    If we see Acts 4:23-30, we see a second application or fulfillment when jewish religious leaders king herod and roman governor pontius pilate all played a part in having Jesus put to death. The scriptures suggested that leaders from more than one land would unite in order to attack Jehovah's anointed one (Christ).

    #80655
    david
    Participant

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    This is really going to take some time for me to look all of these

    Mandy, hi.

    It will take much less time to look at my posts which are right before his 300 prophecies post.

    #82734
    david
    Participant

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    And this is the point I am trying to make……Jesus' works did NOT match what was promised/predicted of the Messiah to come.

    That is why the Jews, and John the Baptist were confused. That is why I am confused today.

    Quote
    Jesus did not accomplish what he was supposed to as the Messiah.

    –mandy, another thread.

    Hi mandy. I'm sorry to say I've been sidetracked and haven't been giving this subject the time it deserves.

    While the Bible nowhere specifically says that he would come twice, certain prophecies seem to indicate this. And while I can't answer why the Bible doesn't say he'd come twice, you and the other side don't seem able to answer questions related to Is 53 or Dan 9. I'm going to have to look at this subject.

    david

    #82736
    Mandy
    Participant

    Hi David,

    Good to hear from you again.

    I looked at Is 53 for quite a while. I became frustrated because there were soooooooo many commentaries on the chapter that seemed to go in opposite directions. So many various explainations were plausable that I gave up. Seems nothing is clear-cut.

    No “second coming” predicted in the OT. The Messiah was to accomplish all the first time around. Jesus didn't do that.

    #82737
    david
    Participant

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    The Messiah was to accomplish all the first time around.

    While it doesn't say he would come twice, nor does it say the above. The fact that you “gave up” on Isaiah 53 makes me wonder.

    There are two groups out there, with quite opposite agendas, regarding this verse.
    Which makes the most sense? What do you actually believe those verses are about?

    #82738
    david
    Participant

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    There are precisely two kinds of prophecies in referring to the Messiah–those that speak of his triumphant second coming and those that speak of his humble coming

    Mandy, do you disagree with the above statement?

    #82739
    Mandy
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Feb. 27 2008,16:48)

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    There are precisely two kinds of prophecies in referring to the Messiah–those that speak of his triumphant second coming and those that speak of his humble coming

    Mandy, do you disagree with the above statement?


    Hmmmm, I'm not sure these are good options.

    There is the OT explaination which the Jews hold, and there is the Christian view which allows a second coming whereby Jesus will THEN do what is written of the proper Messiah.

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