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Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 27 2010,23:33) SF………..I am comparing nothing of the sort, you are the one doing the comparing not me I just quoted the Scriptures to prove a Point. Changing it around to fit you perspective is what you and later JA Did. Not Me. Why can't you and JA just address the scriptures quoted without adding your un-posted scripture perspectives to it. IMO peace and love……………………..gene
Gene,what are you talking about?
im saying that your comparing about a guy who is sinful and loves God and state that those that hate him will still be saved.
this doesnt make any sense.
you also said that Christ died for the sinners. I said he died for all, but salvation are for those who believe in him
your loseing it gene,
Hi JA.
Sorry to hear about your anger with me. I just quoted scripture to prove my points, but you just ignore these scriptures, and reply with attacks on my beliefs without any scriptural content, just accusations and generalities of your version of what you believe, but cannot find scripture to support it.
Your attacks on Gene and me are hurtfull, and your attitude just supports the fact you cannot endure a debate that you have difficulty proving with scripture, so you just accuse and blame without any justification.
We pray you can swallow your pride, and be able to communicate with us free of anger, as brothers in Christ. God Bless.Jerry.
Gene,
You are posting what you post because someone appears to agree with you about a point. Nothing more.
I don't look for 'bed fellows'. Truth is my 'bed fellow'.
If you look at what Jerry is saying you would know that he is wrong.
And, i know about Jerry, more so than you.
My perception is blessed. But i guess you call that 'selfconceited, cocky'. Well, if you want. There is no harm nor revelation..have you only just noticed me?
I, too, do not 'hate' anyone, but only the things they may say or do (Something dearly missing from discussion concerning certain topics). Do I 'hate' WJ, no, just what he says and his distraction techniques. See, i have put him under a curfew for two days. He will be back tomorrow , out of his curfew, with a vengence. I'm shuddering!
Do i hate 'nick hassan', no, just the silly oneliners. Do i 'hate' edj,no, did i not support and offer advice in developing his numbers theory?
Mike, he is my adopted, oops, begotten brother, we dissgree over issues but he is my brother, i love him so don't take what you see in another thread as the last word. Even KJ, the wildman, i would dearly love to see him come into the truth, or at least the beginnings of the truth, and he's started, he just doesn't know it, yet. When he looks back through his posts he might be surprised at what he wrote in anger with Mike.
They say, if you want to know the true man, just slap him very hard, unnanounced. You will see the true nature, and he will also speak the truth in that moment….not a humanely practical advice unless you are 'German SS'!Gene, am i too strong,… too weak with my patience?
Ok, noted. But no response to Jerry's post. That is done.
Hey, now someone can say that JA ran away from a [nonesense] question…if they want to be pedantic!
SF,
When someone selfeffaces protocol says another doesn't concur…
By the way, do you know what the word 'Pedant' means?
Quote (JustAskin @ June 28 2010,00:16) SF, When someone selfeffaces protocol says another doesn't concur…
Ja,Admit that when you read my post,
that i made you laugh.Jerry,
Live with it. Truth can hurt. It certainly hurts those who speak untruths or mistruths.
When one feels they are so right they can't be wrong because everyone is afraid to tell them that they're wrong, them an innocent child stands up and says, 'the emporer's got no clothes!', yeah, being duped and having your 'dupe' exposed, hurts…
And, then, where do i say i can't answer…there is virtually no question JA (Just Ask) cannot answer concerning Scripture…i said that i 'would not' answer. Does that make a difference?
And how is Gene hurt? If Gene is hurt [from me] it's because he placed his own hand in the fire.
SF,
I asked Mike a riddle but he didn't answer…could have said, ' i don't know'…no shame, it's a riddle. The question, and the evasive answer to a mere riddle speaks volumes.
Quote (JustAskin @ June 28 2010,01:02) SF, I asked Mike a riddle but he didn't answer…could have said, ' i don't know'…no shame, it's a riddle. The question, and the evasive answer to a mere riddle speaks volumes.
Ja,sometimes one cannot tell the diffrense between a riddle and and comment, the same as its hard to distinguish between mystery and truth.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 28 2010,02:40) Hi SF,
Confusion rules?
naah.
Thy word is truth
Depending who wants truthQuote (chosenone @ June 26 2010,16:24) Hi 942767.
Quote We are born again Christians become like Him as we learn to apply the Word of God in our daily lives. I disagree, we are not “born again christians”. This term was used when spoken to Israel as a nation, not to the gentile “nations”. In this present economy we are a “new creation”, as Paul, who was designated by Jesus, to be a teacher for the “nations”.
Quote God said, “let us make man in our image”, this speaks a process which is both the immediate now, and the future.
Again I disagree, if it was immediate, it would have to say “MADE man in our image”.Quote And verse 27 states, “So, God created man in his own image”, that is the created man which is the “the immediate now”.
The correct translation says… “And creating is the Alueim humanity in His image”, still in the future.Quote 1 Co. 15:45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Notice the last part… “we shall also bear the image of the heavenly”. It says 'WE SHALL' not “WE HAVE”. Still future.
God Bless, Jerry.
Hi Jerry:If your are not a born again Christian, then please explain to me why you think or maybe the word should be “know” that you are a Christian?
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Marty.
Quote If your are not a born again Christian, then please explain to me why you think or maybe the word should be “know” that you are a Christian? I believe you are quoting John 3:5, where Jesus answered Nicodemus “you must be born again”. To understand the meaning of this, one must understand that in that era, God was a God of Israel, and them only (Eph.2:11-12… 11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations in flesh — who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands —
12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.)
So you see, this statement was to the nation of Israel, they had to be reborn spiritually, it was not for the gentile nations at this time.
So now, in this present era, we who are christians are a “new creation”, as spoken by Paul in 2Cor.5:17…
17 So that, if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation: the primitive passed by. Lo! there has come new!This is my understanding of the term “you must be born again”, and now we are “a new creation”, as referring to Christians now.
Hope this helps, God Bless, Jerry.
Quote (chosenone @ June 28 2010,16:55) Hi Marty.
Quote If your are not a born again Christian, then please explain to me why you think or maybe the word should be “know” that you are a Christian? I believe you are quoting John 3:5, where Jesus answered Nicodemus “you must be born again”. To understand the meaning of this, one must understand that in that era, God was a God of Israel, and them only (Eph.2:11-12… 11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations in flesh — who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands —
12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.)
So you see, this statement was to the nation of Israel, they had to be reborn spiritually, it was not for the gentile nations at this time.
So now, in this present era, we who are christians are a “new creation”, as spoken by Paul in 2Cor.5:17…
17 So that, if anyone is in Christ, there is a new creation: the primitive passed by. Lo! there has come new!This is my understanding of the term “you must be born again”, and now we are “a new creation”, as referring to Christians now.
Hope this helps, God Bless, Jerry.
Hi Jerry:We are a new creature in Christ Jesus because we have been born again. We have died unto sin and have been raised from the dead to the newness of life by the same Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead. God is now the Father of our spirit. We have a personal relationship with Him through Jesus our Lord.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Marty.
Quote We are a new creature in Christ Jesus because we have been born again.
I don't believe scripture says it that way, never-the -less we are a “new creation”. Not much use in nit-picking, we'll leave it at that.Quote We have died unto sin and have been raised from the dead to the newness of life by the same Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead. God is now the Father of our spirit. We have a personal relationship with Him through Jesus our Lord. Yes, we are 'justified' in Gods eyes, by the death, resurrection, and ascention, by our Lord Christ Jesus. He (God) sees our sins no more. Thanks for your opinion, we're not far apart.
God Bless, Jerry.
Marty,
Be careful about who the 'WE' are to whom you refer.
The 'We', are the first century Apostles and Christian Saints. Those who fully believed and died for their belief in the most hideous ways, by their own people and by the abomination that was the Roman nation.
For sure, there are some of the 'We' today, but it might be wisely cautious not to debase the 'We' with our everyday claims if life in Christ, with their selfless sacrifice in the face of dire opposition and torture. Most of today's …'we'… Have never faced real danger…ostracism, family cut off, even ridicule, maybe.
Those 'WE' in the Scriptures are those who have 'Washed their Robes', they are pure white, and will rightly receive the Gift of a Heavenly abode with Christ as Sons of God, brithers of Jesus and therefore, Heirs with Christ, as Scripture states.
So, then, what of the other 'we', i hear you ask. Well, Scriptures again…144,000, from all nations, from all family of men, whether Jew, Greek, Samaritan, Gentile, …whomever wholly and truly and selflessly and righteously comes to God through Christ. They are the 'Elect' of Christ, his own, chosen from among all mankind for his glory, and the glory of his Father.
The rest of 'believing' mankind will occupy the renewed Paradise Earth, the culmination of God's original plan for the Earth.
So, at worst, the hope of the abode in Paradise Earth. Better, the hope in a Spiritual abode with Christ in Heaven. But wait, there's more…are there not stations in between? That hope, then, also.
But, always the hope. Never the certainty.
For it is not given to you to decide who sits on the right hand of Christ in Heaven, nor on the left hand of Christ in Paradise but that decision is reserved for God alone through the judgement of Christ.
Quote (JustAskin @ June 29 2010,17:24) Marty, Be careful about who the 'WE' are to whom you refer.
The 'We', are the first century Apostles and Christian Saints. Those who fully believed and died for their belief in the most hideous ways, by their own people and by the abomination that was the Roman nation.
For sure, there are some of the 'We' today, but it might be wisely cautious not to debase the 'We' with our everyday claims if life in Christ, with their selfless sacrifice in the face of dire opposition and torture. Most of today's …'we'… Have never faced real danger…ostracism, family cut off, even ridicule, maybe.
Those 'WE' in the Scriptures are those who have 'Washed their Robes', they are pure white, and will rightly receive the Gift of a Heavenly abode with Christ as Sons of God, brithers of Jesus and therefore, Heirs with Christ, as Scripture states.
So, then, what of the other 'we', i hear you ask. Well, Scriptures again…144,000, from all nations, from all family of men, whether Jew, Greek, Samaritan, Gentile, …whomever wholly and truly and selflessly and righteously comes to God through Christ. They are the 'Elect' of Christ, his own, chosen from among all mankind for his glory, and the glory of his Father.
The rest of 'believing' mankind will occupy the renewed Paradise Earth, the culmination of God's original plan for the Earth.
So, at worst, the hope of the abode in Paradise Earth. Better, the hope in a Spiritual abode with Christ in Heaven. But wait, there's more…are there not stations in between? That hope, then, also.
But, always the hope. Never the certainty.
For it is not given to you to decide who sits on the right hand of Christ in Heaven, nor on the left hand of Christ in Paradise but that decision is reserved for God alone through the judgement of Christ.
Hi JA:Anyone who has been born again, is a new creature in Christ Jesus having died unto sin, and raised to a newness of life in Christ Jesus by the same Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead.
Quote 2 Co 5:14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Do you have an issue with this?
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (JustAskin @ June 28 2010,06:09) Gene, Do I 'hate' WJ, no, just what he says and his distraction techniques. See, i have put him under a curfew for two days. He will be back tomorrow , out of his curfew, with a vengence.
Hi JustAskin,What does this mean you put WJ on curfew for two days?
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