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hi georg
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terrariccaMat. 24:32-34 are the scriptures. Jesus used many allegories, metaphors, and parables as I know, you know
hi georg this is your quote and answer to me for my quote,
it seems you place your self as the thrue man of knowledgeyour explanation is your to posess but i see the scriptures in has God ,Christ and the apostels see it ,
i can only tell you that the bible was written first for Christ benefit secondly for the saints and finaly for all of us if we believe,
this said and it is true if you understand it,wath was ,is not wath is ,and will not be later.
hi georg
the entire Christ quote ,is related to the signs that were to come, to make is disciples aware of what the look for and the way to look ad it.
this is applied in the end of the nation of Israel in 70 AD.
it is also to be applied to the time of his return.terraricca
You are right, when you see leaves appear on the fig tree; when Israel becomes a nation again, Christs return is at the door.
Only one apostle was alive to see the destruction of their nation, John, so, I hardly think that this explanation was meant for them.
I have given you many scriptures that proves what I said; which of these scriptures don't you agree with?Georg
hi georg
no georg the fig tree is not israel.
if you would look up history and consider mathew 24; and luke 21; and mark 13 and carefuly annalising what it said ,you will notice Christ gives many signs mixe between ;the end of jerusalem and his return, if you separate what is for Jerusalem and whats for is return and what should applied to both ,you could have a better understanding of what to understand.do you understand me
?hi georg
Lk 21:29 Jesus told them a story. “Look at the fig tree and all the trees,” he said.
Lk 21:30 “When you see leaves appear on the branches, you know that summer is near.
Lk 21:31 In the same way, when you see these things happening, you will know that God’s kingdom is near.look what it says ;look at the fig tree and all the trees”
it is just a sign to pay attention to so the true Christians would be able to recognise the signs
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 19 2009,16:11) hi georg ——————————————————————————–
terrariccaMat. 24:32-34 are the scriptures. Jesus used many allegories, metaphors, and parables as I know, you know
hi georg this is your quote and answer to me for my quote,
it seems you place your self as the thrue man of knowledgeyour explanation is your to posess but i see the scriptures in has God ,Christ and the apostels see it ,
i can only tell you that the bible was written first for Christ benefit secondly for the saints and finaly for all of us if we believe,
this said and it is true if you understand it,wath was ,is not wath is ,and will not be later.
terrariccaThe Bible was written for Christs benefit? you mean so he could learn what God told him to say to us?
Oh well.
Georg
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 11 2010,17:23) hi georg
Lk 21:29 Jesus told them a story. “Look at the fig tree and all the trees,” he said.
Lk 21:30 “When you see leaves appear on the branches, you know that summer is near.
Lk 21:31 In the same way, when you see these things happening, you will know that God’s kingdom is near.look what it says ;look at the fig tree and all the trees”
it is just a sign to pay attention to so the true Christians would be able to recognise the signs
So every summer we are to look for his kingdom?hi georg
you know that Mat ;24 and Mark;13 and Luk;21 all tell you the signs of the end of the Jewish temple and nation,and also the signs of the return of Christ.
we just have to study it.Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2010,11:34) hi georg
you know that Mat ;24 and Mark;13 and Luk;21 all tell you the signs of the end of the Jewish temple and nation,and also the signs of the return of Christ.
we just have to study it.
You see how you avoid answering questions?Georg
hi georg
you are not interested in understanding,what you after is a way to mock some answers from someone else.terraricca
Yes, I supposed you can call it mocking, I am also cynical at times. Some people just know how to bring the best out of me at times, but there is a reason why I do that.
When some one like you insists on being wrong and claims it is truth, and simply refuses to even look at truth, I make a fool of him.
You and others have claimed I am wrong, and I'm not saying I can't be, but without prove it is just a claim. And like others, you avoid answering questions by given a number of scriptures that have nothing to do with the subject. I call them, politician Christians.
You see, when I first came to this forum, I came to learn and share; ever since then I been arguing with politician's. You ever noticed? politician's are never wrong.Georg
Quote (thethinker @ Feb. 25 2009,20:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 25 2009,13:00) Hi TT,
So those who heard the angels were standing looking up at the sky standing on the ground from whence the Lord had left.King Jesus will reign from the throne of David in Jerusalem and out hope is to rule and reign with him.
Nick,
You did not answer Revelation that says that the white horse was in heaven. Neither did you answer why the saints would be caught “UP” if Jesus is supposed to return to earth. Why do they meet Him in the SKY if He is to come back to earth?Jesus took the throne of His father David when he ascended to heaven (Acts 2). And Paul said that in the second coming Jesus gives the kingdom back to the Father. This presents a very BIG problem for your view. You say that Jesus receives the kingdom at the second coming. But Acts 2 says that He received the kingdom when He ascended and will give it back to His Father at His second coming (1 Corinthians 15:24-28)
Quote Then comes the end when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father The whole context is the second coming Nick. Jesus does not receive a kingdom at the second coming. He received it when He went to heaven and then hands it back over to the Father at the second coming. Your inferences are altogether unbiblical.
thinker
Hi Thinker,When do you believe Jesus “Second Coning” occurred?
Looking forward to your response in this matter.God bless
Ed J
hrrp://www.holycitybiblecode.orgSirs; I have had 2posts that were not printed(or I never could find) in the last three weeks and the last post was printed for one day, Sat. 20th. If I am doing something wrong please let me know and I will correct the error. If you wish me to cease posting I will stop. These posts take much time so please let me know. Thank you! TK
Quote (Tim Kraft @ Feb. 21 2010,21:37) Sirs; I have had 2posts that were not printed(or I never could find) in the last three weeks and the last post was printed for one day, Sat. 20th. If I am doing something wrong please let me know and I will correct the error. If you wish me to cease posting I will stop. These posts take much time so please let me know. Thank you! TK
Hi Tim,One of your lost Posts is here…
Forum » BELIEVERS PLACE » Biblical Prophecy » A coincidence or a creation?
I remember seeing one other one but I don't remember where it is either?God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (thethinker @ Feb. 27 2009,07:24) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 27 2009,05:22) Hi TT,
In which way is the throne of David, death or the grave?
Jesus had first to be raised to assume that earthly reign.I am not wise but I do know where wisdom is found, in scripture and not the logic of men.[lk11]
Read the passage again in Acts 2 without your “wisdom”. It explicitly says that Christ was raised up to the throne of David.
thinker
thinkerIs Christ then sitting on two thrones?
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Georg
First, the word often translated “coming” as in Jesus coming can just as easily mean Jesus “presense.” That word is parousia. It is often shown to mean presence and not “coming.” There is a distinction, but it is often not made by most Bibles. For a discussion on this, see:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….arousia
The Greek word from which “presence” is translated is pa·rou·si′a, formed from pa·ra′ (alongside) and ou·si′a (being; derived from ei·mi′, meaning “be”). Hence, pa·rou·si′a means, literally, “being alongside,” that is, a “presence. Yet, it is almost always translated as “coming.”
Though allowing for both “arrival” and “presence” as translations of pa·rou·si′a, lexicographers generally acknowledge that the presence of the person is the principal idea conveyed by the word.
Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Vol. 1, pp. 208, 209) states: “PAROUSIA . . . denotes both an arrival and a consequent presence with. For instance, in a papyrus letter [written in Greek] a lady speaks of the necessity of her parousia in a place in order to attend to matters relating to her property there. . . . When used of the return of Christ, at the Rapture of the Church, it signifies, not merely His momentary coming for His saints, but His presence with them from that moment until His revelation and manifestation to the world.” Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon (revised by H. Jones, Oxford, 1968, p. 1343) shows that pa·rou·si′a is used at times in secular Greek literature to refer to the “visit of a royal or official personage.”
Some, on the basis of texts speaking of Jesus’ being seen “coming in clouds with great power and glory” (Mr 13:26; Re 1:7), conclude that his presence must be a visible one. Yet, the use of clouds in connection with other divine manifestations suggests invisibility rather than visibility. So, too, ‘seeing’ can refer to figurative sight, perception with the mind and heart. (Isa 44:18; Jer 5:21; Eze 12:2, 3; Mt 13:13-16; Eph 1:17, 18)
As well, looking at the four horseman, I believe that the one on the white horse is Jesus, who conquers and goes forward to carry on war. (rev 6) He begins by warring against Satan and removing him from heaven. Woe for the earth. (Rev 12) These woes are shown in the horses that follow: war, death, etc. This is of course the result of Satan being angry, here on earth, knowing he has a “short period of time.”
When Christ came into kingly power, the “last days” of this world began. For their to be last days, there would have to be a period of time. In kingly power, the first thing Jesus did was remove Satan from heaven.
Jesus foretold what would take place during these last days, this “conclusion of the world.” (mat 24)
One thing he said would be done was the preaching of this good news. This would of course take time.The reason people can't see the word parousia as it is, is because people want to see Jesus as a man. But he is a powerful spirit, a king of kings. His presense is discernable to his followers who are waiting for him. Just as it was his followers who were the only ones who “saw” him go, it was his followers who were aware of his return.
As I said, first thing he did was throw satan to the earth. What followed was world war, famine like never before, etc.
Today, many scoff:
“Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as from creation’s beginning.”—2Pe 3:2-4; compare 1:16.
Clearly, men will be aware of what is taking place at “the revelation” (Gr., a·po·ka′ly·psis) of Jesus Christ “with his powerful angels in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus.” (2Th 1:7-9) This, however, still allows for an invisible presence that goes undiscerned by all but the faithful prior to that revelation. We may recall that Jesus, when paralleling his presence with “the days of Noah,” states that in Noah’s time the people “took no note” until watery destruction came upon them, and “so the presence of the Son of man will be.”—Mt 24:37-39.
The “days of Noah” was a time period. For the comparison to make sense, similarly, Jesus parousia (literally, “presence”) must be a time period.
Quote (david @ Feb. 22 2010,17:55) As well, looking at the four horseman, I believe that the one on the white horse is Jesus, who conquers and goes forward to carry on war. (rev 6) He begins by warring against Satan and removing him from heaven. Woe for the earth. (Rev 12) These woes are shown in the horses that follow: war, death, etc.
Hi David,The Four Houseman & the Four Chariot Riders! [4+4=8] (Rev.17:11)
Do you not see the similarity in these verses, both are obviously about Lucifer/satan…Rev.6:2–8 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow;
and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
And there went out another horse that was [red horse]: and power was given to him that sat thereon
to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him
a great sword. And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see.
And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny,
and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.Zech.6:2–8 In the first chariot were red horses; and in the second chariot black horses;
And in the third chariot white horses; and in the fourth chariot [grizzled horses] and bay horses.
Then I answered and said unto the angel that talked with me, What are these, my lord?
And the angel answered and said unto me, These are the four spirits of the heavens,
which go forth from standing before the Lord of all the earth. The black horses which
are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the
grizzled go forth toward the south country. And the bay went forth, and sought to go
that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk
to and fro through the earth. So they walked to and fro through the earth.
Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go
toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.Ed
The white horse, and the rider sitting on it with a bow, is the impostor, the Antichrist. The bow is a weapon of war, and that's what the other three horse men represent. This impostor has not brought us peace, he has brought us war, sickness, disease, and death.
Look at the other rider in Revelation.Rev 19:11 ¶ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Who is the word of God? Jesus.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
What is the weapon of this rider? a sword coming out of his mouth. What does the sword symbolize? the word of God. The war Jesus will fight, is not a war of violence, it is a war of teaching, correcting, in fairness, and in righteousness.
Georg
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