Jesus: god the son or son of god?

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Can you not align these verses?
What changed?

Did you listen to those who are determined to undermine the faith of others as theirs proved inadequate?

[gollamudi]

Hi brother Nick,
Sorry, I am not here to undermine the faith of others, in fact I am strengthening it by telling them to see scriptures though Jewish eyes.

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
In what way do those who did not recognise the messiah contribute wisdom that surrounds that vital truth?

[gollamudi]

I mean the Jewish christians of first century not the Jewish authorities who denied Jesus as Messiah.

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Then why do you come back with what you think are inconsistencies in the sacred words?
We hear enough of that approach from unbelievers.
Patience and wisdom will come.

[gollamudi]

Hi brother Nick,
I do know you are aware of the inconsistences of our N.T even then why do you want to conceal them?

[NickHassan]

Hi GM,
Inconsistencies,
Interview 4 people who saw a car accident and see how much the accounts differ.

The extraordinary consistency is one of the strongest evidences that the Holy spirit wrote it through ignorant fishermen and a taxman.
Men try to judge it with their weak intellects and cannot encompass how each version adds and brings into focus the whole picture.

[Cindy]

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So, Irene, when Georg says “You're too much” what exactly is that supposed to mean? Love, Kathi

Hey I don't kniow, you have to ask Him. In the beginning the Word was brought forth from the Father. How that was done, Scripture really doesn't say that.
When He became a Man He was born of course like us. We all agree on that.
Nice debate, no name calling I like that!!!!!
Peace and Love Irene

[bodhitharta]

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To whom it may concern In Genesis God created everything “after” its kind. Whether you believe the world is a billion years old, or 6000 years, the question is, what is “after” its kind? Would not God at one point have had to create it all, and from what, did he not create from nothing? If Jesus was born from God's “womb”, and then Jesus gave birth to all the other spirit beings, angels, did they then came from his “womb”? Or how did they come into existence? Georg

Jesus was born out of the womb of Mary and each kind according to its kind.

Jesus is the servant of God and the son of Mary

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Jesus Christ is the son of God.
You too can follow him into sonship.

[bodhitharta]

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Hi BD, Jesus Christ is the son of God. You too can follow him into sonship.

Let me ask you Nick

Did God Marry Mary? Did God fornicate? exactly how did God have a son?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Would you suggest any law of any kind applies to God and judge Him by them?

God has many sons, some of who rejoiced when the foundations of earth were laid[jb38]

But the sonship we can share with Jesus is by the Spirit of God which Jesus received at the Jordan.

[bodhitharta]

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Hi BD, Would you suggest any law of any kind applies to God and judge Him by them? God has many sons, some of who rejoiced when the foundations of earth were laid[jb38] But the sonship we can share with Jesus is by the Spirit of God which Jesus received at the Jordan.

Therefor saying “son” is an expression of closeness to God because he shares His Spirit with us not because He has offspring.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Closeness?
We must die that we live in His Spirit.

[942767]

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2009,06:28) Hi BD, Jesus Christ is the son of God. You too can follow him into sonship. Let me ask you Nick Did God Marry Mary? Did God fornicate? exactly how did God have a son?

Hi BD:

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1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Anonymous]

Philippians 2:9-11Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Would God not beget a God? And does a Son not inherit his Fathers substance? If a Sons Father is a King does the Son not inherit the Kingdom?

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,09:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2009,06:28) Hi BD, Jesus Christ is the son of God. You too can follow him into sonship. Let me ask you Nick Did God Marry Mary? Did God fornicate? exactly how did God have a son? Hi BD: Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.   1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.   1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.   1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty,

You did not answer the question.

Did God marry Mary? Did God fornicate with Mary?

In what way did God have offspring?

God does not have children like us

[bodhitharta]

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Philippians 2:9-11Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Would God not beget a God? And does a Son not inherit his Fathers substance? If a Sons Father is a King does the Son not inherit the Kingdom?

God does not beget children, you have taken allegory as fact.

How can a son inherit the kingdom of a king Father unless the King Father dies, You are in serious error my friend.

Did Mary and God have a relationship? Of course not Jesus was created in the manner of Adam.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Indeed God does.[1Peter1]

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,12:55)

Quote (942767 @ June 26 2009,11:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 26 2009,09:12) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 26 2009,06:28) Hi BD, Jesus Christ is the son of God. You too can follow him into sonship. Let me ask you Nick Did God Marry Mary? Did God fornicate? exactly how did God have a son? Hi BD: Quote 1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.   1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.   1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.   1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. Love in Christ, Marty Marty, You did not answer the question. Did God marry Mary? Did God fornicate with Mary? In what way did God have offspring? God does not have children like us

Hi BD:

This has nothing to do with a sexual act. It was an act of love by God so that you and I could be saved.

How is it that you want to pick and choose the scriptures that you want to quote out of the bible?

ThIs is what the scripture states:

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Luk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

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Jhn 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all [men] through him might believe. Jhn 1:8 He was not that Light, but [was sent] to bear witness of that Light. Jhn 1:9 [That] was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. Jhn 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. Jhn 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name: Jhn 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Love in Christ,
Marty

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