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sorry if this has been asked already. to the moderator, kindly delete this thread if it has been already discussed.
ok here's my question:
what does the bible say about the brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ?is it brother and sister in flesh? if it is, how many brothers and sisters He have?
tnx.
Hi jh,
It seems he came from a family of at least seven.
Mark 6:3
“Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?” And they took offense at Him.Mt13
55″Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?56″And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?”
Mark 15:40
There were also some women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the Less and Joses, and Salome.Hi Jh,
They cannot cope with the idea that Mary was a normal human.
They make all sorts of outrageous claims about her including that she was always a virgin.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 06 2008,14:25) Hi Jh,
They cannot cope with the idea that Mary was a normal human.
They make all sorts of outrageous claims about her including that she was always a virgin.
Ironic then that you cannot cope with the idea that Jesus (if he existed) was a normal human, and that you make all sorts of outrageous claims about him.Stuart
Hey, just because people today can't do the stuff Jesus and his followers did, does not mean it isn't true! Makes you wonder why Christians reject the miracles mentioned in the Koran and Book of Mormon or any other religious text.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster can do miraculous things with his noodly appendage (bless it). I get quite tearful when unbelievers mock it. They just need to wait…the Time of Bolognaise is coming!
Stuart
Don’t forget Benny Hinn, Is he Jesus spiritual brother?
of Miracles, how dose the world treat some one that comes do such marvelous works as Benny.
If he was true in healing
the governments would have him guarded like per gold, Liken Daniel taken into hand, and his Life would be preserved, so he would heal others. as DANNIAL INTERUPTED.Jesus was a good Man, if healed like words are written, things would have been different, I speck the truth.
And Jesus brothers…yes disciples are at side, famous is he that every bodies wants to be a brother in history, don’t just sit there and be Man/ipulated and Maneuvered by liars because they lied as they set the Bible books together and made it a Law that it was the holy word of God!
Believing in Christ can’t be healthy, until when all lies are moved from a sanctuary within; truth is easily seen thru clearness glass, where once it was murky. decerment cleared it
Charity
Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2008,22:01) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 06 2008,14:25) Hi Jh,
They cannot cope with the idea that Mary was a normal human.
They make all sorts of outrageous claims about her including that she was always a virgin.
Ironic then that you cannot cope with the idea that Jesus (if he existed) was a normal human, and that you make all sorts of outrageous claims about him.Stuart
even more outrageous AND ironic is that you think that your words carry any authority at all… who are you anyway? why do you think anyone ought to accept what you say is true? upon what authority are your claims based? upon what evidence?blessings,
KenQuote (epistemaniac @ Aug. 10 2008,16:30) Quote (Stu @ Aug. 06 2008,22:01) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Aug. 06 2008,14:25) Hi Jh,
They cannot cope with the idea that Mary was a normal human.
They make all sorts of outrageous claims about her including that she was always a virgin.
Ironic then that you cannot cope with the idea that Jesus (if he existed) was a normal human, and that you make all sorts of outrageous claims about him.Stuart
even more outrageous AND ironic is that you think that your words carry any authority at all… who are you anyway? why do you think anyone ought to accept what you say is true? upon what authority are your claims based? upon what evidence?blessings,
Ken
Pot kettle black. Your mock outrage is hypocritical. I am making no special claims whatsoever. If Jesus existed he was a human being like the rest of us. Who do you think you are to make claims of magic then put the onus of disproof on others? How about you live up to your username? Tell us what you think was special about him, and what special evidence you have for that claim.Stuart
Quote (kejonn @ Aug. 07 2008,02:02) Hey, just because people today can't do the stuff Jesus and his followers did, does not mean it isn't true! Makes you wonder why Christians reject the miracles mentioned in the Koran and Book of Mormon or any other religious text.
its not that we just reject the miracles, we reject them for other reasons as well….. the Book of Mormon is especially riddled with inaccuracies, not to mention it is little more than a plagarization of the King James Bible… strange that when Joseph Smith was given the “revelation” by the angel Moroni, it came across in Elizabethan English!! The KJV was first published in 1611, Smith received his “revelation” in 1830. Second, the gold tablets Smith supposedly received the text on would have been, if he was truthful abot their size, would have been so heavy Smith would not have even been able to carry them from the place he supposedly received his revelation to the place where the “translations” were made. Thirdly; ” * The lack of any correlation between locations described in the Book of Mormon and American archaeological sites.* Mention in the text of anachronistic animals, plants and technologies.
* The lack of any linguistic connection between any Native American language or language family and any Near Eastern language or language family.
* The absence of any DNA evidence linking Native Americans with descendants of Israel.” (Wikipedia)
and
“1. Linguistics. Why, if the American Indians were descended from Lehi, was there such diversity in their languages, and why were there no vestiges of Hebrew in any of them?
2. Why does the Book of Mormon say that Lehi found horses when he arrived in America? The horse did not exist in the Americas until the Spaniards brought them over in the sixteenth century.
3. Why was Nephi stated to have a bow of steel? Jews did not have steel at that time, and no iron was smelted in the Americas until the Spanish colonization.
4. Why does the Book of Mormon mention “swords and cimeters” when scimitars (the current spelling) did not come about until the rise of Islam after 500 A.D.?
5. Why does the Book of Mormon mention silk, when silk did not exist in the Americas at that time?”see also
http://othello.alma.edu/~07tmhopk/bookofmormonproblems.html
http://www.contenderministries.org/mormonism/bomproblems.php
http://www.josephlied.com/
http://www.mormonchallenge.com/re the Koran: “Starting with the Qur'an, it is reasonable to conclude that these findings indeed give us reason for pause concerning its reliability. Manuscript, as well as documentary and archaeological evidence indicates that much of what the Qur'an maintains does not coincide with the historical data at our disposal which comes from that period. From the material amassed from external sources in the7th-8th centuries, we now know:
1) that the Jews still retained a relationship with the Arabs until at least 640 A.D.;
2) that Jerusalem and not Mecca was more-than-likely the city which contained the original sanctuary for Islam, as Mecca was not only unknown as a viable city until the end of the seventh century, but it was not even on the international trade route; 3) that the Qibla (direction of prayer) was not fixed towards Mecca until the eighth century, but to an area much further north, possibly Jerusalem;
4) that the Dome of the Rock situated in Jerusalem was possibly the original sanctuary;
5) that Muhammad was not known as the seal of prophets until the late seventh century;
6) that the earliest we even hear of any Qur'an is not until the mid-eighth century;
7) and that the earliest Qur'anic writings do not coincide with the current Qur'anic text. All of this data contradicts the Qur'an which is in our possession, and adds to the suspicion that the Qur'an which we now read is NOT the same as that which was supposedly collated and canonized in 650 A.D. under Uthman, as Muslims contend (if indeed it even existed at that time). One can only assume that there must have been an evolution in the Qur'anic text. Consequently, the sole thing we can say with a certainty is that only the documents which we now possess (from 790 A.D. onwards) are the same as that which is in our hands today, written not 16 years after Muhammad's death but 160 years later, and thus not 1,400 years ago, but only 1,200 years ago.
B) THE BIBLE
1) LITTLE HAS BEEN LOST OF THE ORIGINAL
As for the Bible, with the abundance of existing manuscripts (handwritten copies) of the New Testament (more than 24,000), we know little has been lost through the transmission of the text. In fact there is more evidence for the reliability of the text of the New Testament than there is for any ten pieces of classical literature put together. It is in better textual shape than the 37 plays of William Shakespeare which were written a mere 300 years ago, after the invention of the printing press! This is indeed surprising, considering the early period in which the manuscripts were compiled, as well as the flimsy material on which they were written. The fact that we have such an abundance of manuscripts still in our possession points to the importance the scriptures have held for the church over the centuries.
2) THE TEXT IS RELIABLE AND HAS THE AUTHORITY OF THE WORD OF GOD
As far as we can know, the names, places, and events mentioned in the Bible have been recorded accurately so that what we have is the representation of what God said and did.
3) ONGOING DISCOVERIES CORROBORATE THE BIBLE
Besides the massive numbers of early New Testament documents, the Old Testament can also be substantiated by the Jewish community who continue to corroborate the proof for its accuracy, as well as documents such as the Septuagint and the Dead Sea Scrolls which give added weight to the claim that it has never been changed.
Even the Qur'an, possibly written during the 7th-8th centuries recognized the authority of our scriptures (see suras 2:136; 3:2-3; 4:136; 5:47-52,68; 10:95; 21:7; and 29:46). We also know that, outside of the few scribal errors, the historical events and personages are adequately correct, as they do not confuse names, dates and events, and in fact, surprisingly, continue to coincide with current archaeological findings. This is indeed significant, since with each successive year, ongoing documental and archaeological discoveries fail to divulge any historical contradictions. Instead they continue to corroborate what the Bible has been saying for 2,000-3,000 years (examples such as the Ebla tablets, or the newly discovered tomb of the priest Caiaphus give continuing credibility to the scriptures historical trustworthiness).”
Its not really important what your comment on this is…. you do not have to agree with any of these points, just know that the disagreement is not arbitrary…. at least, it ought not be, though perhaps some Christians do not know why we should reject the Koran and the Book of Mormon, and thus reject it arbitrarily. The fact that some might, does not mean that they must.
blessings,
KenHi epistemaniac
Quote 2) THE TEXT IS RELIABLE AND HAS THE AUTHORITY OF THE WORD OF GOD
As far as we can know, the names, places, and events mentioned in the Bible have been recorded accurately so that what we have is the representation of what God said and did.Regarding the alleged Exodus. the Holy Wikipedia records:
According to Prof. Ze'ev Herzog, Director of the Institute of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University “This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel…. The many Egyptian documents that we have make no mention of the Israelites' presence in Egypt and are also silent about the events of the exodus.”
Deu 14:11 Of all clean birds ye shall eat.
14:12 But these are they of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
14:13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,
14:14 And every raven after his kind,
14:15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
14:16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,
14:17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,
14:18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
If this had been ‘accurately recorded’ then it would not say that bats are birds.1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
If this had been ‘accurately recorded’ then it would say “a line of thirty-one cubits did compass it round about”. Pi=3.14 approximately, not 3.Quote Its not really important what your comment on this is…. you do not have to agree with any of these points, just know that the disagreement is not arbitrary….
…in other words please don’t criticise, because I just want all this to be true, OK?Stuart
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