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Quote (RokkaMan @ July 03 2010,08:17) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2010,07:39) Hi RM,
Are you so impatient with dissenters that you would DAMN them?
Don't attack God for the mistakes of Man. If I damn you, it doesn't change scripture.—-
BTW ED J you need to read the content of the scripture you provide before you present it as a rebuttal, because frankly it has no meaning or bearing on the point i've proved.
Hi RokkaMan,The point is you are turning your back on clearly written Scripture to side with religious speculation? (1Cor.2:11)
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
“The Word”([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.John 5:30: I can of mine own self do nothing…
John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting:
whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
Why do you turn your back to these Scriptures, to instead bolster 'the systems of religion'?The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,05:35) Quote (RokkaMan @ July 03 2010,08:17) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2010,07:39) Hi RM,
Are you so impatient with dissenters that you would DAMN them?
Don't attack God for the mistakes of Man. If I damn you, it doesn't change scripture.—-
BTW ED J you need to read the content of the scripture you provide before you present it as a rebuttal, because frankly it has no meaning or bearing on the point i've proved.
Hi RokkaMan,The point is you are turning your back on clearly written Scripture to side with religious speculation? (1Cor.2:11)
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
“The Word”([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.John 5:30: I can of mine own self do nothing…
John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting:
whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
Why do you turn your back to these Scriptures, to instead bolster 'the systems of religion'?The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.
Everything I have said, fits perfectly with the scripture you have provided.I have not said Jesus is God.
I have not said Jesus is another God equal to YHVH.
I have not said Jesus and YHVH and the Holy Ghost make up a trinity.
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I've simply said, That Jesus Christ is, The Word of God…manifested in flesh.
and that, The Word of God is God himself.
So Jesus Christ is The human Manifestation of YHVH himself.
In which the manifestation takes on the role of a Son to God.
As oppose to a medium for God, like The Angel of The Lord in the OT.
Quote The point is you are turning your back on clearly written Scripture to side with religious speculation? (1Cor.2:11) I am falsley accused, do to lack of understanding on your part.
Quote John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
“The Word”([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.[/B]Yes it is not his, The manifestation, it is of The Father who sent the human manifestation of himself.
because a manifestation is just that…a manifestation…and image, a reflection of the true spirit.
If i go to the playground and have fun…the playground isn't FUN itself…it is a manifestation of Fun.
In the same way, Jesus isn't God himself…he is a manifestation of God.
An image or reflection.
Quote John 5:30: I can of mine own self do nothing… I agree, because he is a manifestation or reflection of God.
Your image in the mirror cannot do anything you don't do yourself.
Quote John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting:
whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.Again, I agree entirely…understanding that Jesus is a manifestation of God in which it means to be a reflection of …
All the scripture in it's entirety makes perfect and complete sense.
So what heresy am I being charged of ED J?
Hello, Ed J
If I accurately answered your questions, it'd be appreciated if you say so.
If I haven't, then respond so we don't leave open ended threads, then jump back on new threads arguing the same issues.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 08 2010,05:40) Hi RM,
Why do you speak of the man as the Word and not the anointing?
I speak of The Word as the man, according to John 1.The Word was made flesh, and we beheld his glory as the only begotten son of the father.
I choose to not argue or deny scripture.
Hi RM,
John speaks of the anointed man not just the flesh man.
Without the anointing he was unremarkable except for his devotion to his God and scripture.
Until that anointing he was not able to do any ministry in power. The Spirit of Christ gave him those things.This is also what John the baptist had to say about Jesus Christ the man.
John 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
He makes no association to the spirit that dwelled IN christ.
He literally is referring to Christ the man himself.So we can see here a distinction between regular earthly men from from earth, while Jesus Christ born of a virgin came from Heaven.
How did he come from heaven?
Well John 1 explains he is the manifestation of The Word of God.
If the son of man and the son of god came from heaven, it makes sense to understand he was the word of god that came from heaven.
Why do you take that away from Jesus?
Quote (RokkaMan @ July 07 2010,21:54) Hello, Ed J If I accurately answered your questions, it'd be appreciated if you say so.
If I haven't, then respond so we don't leave open ended threads, then jump back on new threads arguing the same issues.
Hi RokkaMan,Let's say you work for Roberts power-coating company,
Mr.Roberts is now 55 years old so his son bill (age 29) is
there most of the time. Mr. Roberts has warned you time
and time again to put all your tools away before leaving.Now Mr. Roberts is'nt there and you forget to put your tools
away. So Bill comes over to you and tells you to put your
tool away. Now is Bill Mr. Roberts words manifest in the flesh?
Now let's oppose the next day the Manager Steve reminds you;
Now according to your FAULTY logic, Bill is still Mr. Roberts word
even though now Mr.Robers's “word” is now coming from Steve?God's word is God! (John 1:1)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 08 2010,07:03) Quote (RokkaMan @ July 07 2010,21:54) Hello, Ed J If I accurately answered your questions, it'd be appreciated if you say so.
If I haven't, then respond so we don't leave open ended threads, then jump back on new threads arguing the same issues.
Hi RokkaMan,Let's say you work for Roberts power-coating company,
Mr.Roberts is now 55 years old so his son bill (age 29) is
there most of the time. Mr. Roberts has warned you time
and time again to put all your tools away before leaving.Now Mr. Roberts is'nt there and you forget to put your tools
away. So Bill comes over to you and tells you to put your
tool away. Now is Bill Mr. Roberts words manifest in the flesh?
Now let's oppose the next day the Manager Steve reminds you;
Now according to your FAULTY logic, Bill is still Mr. Roberts word
even though now Mr.Robers's “word” is now coming from Steve?God's word is God! (John 1:1)
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I'm sorry that was a stupid anecdote.It is completely unrelated.
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I know where your coming from, and it'd make sense if I claimed Jesus was YHVH.
But I've said over and over, Jesus is not YHVH.
Jesus is YHVH manifested or revealed in flesh.
The difference with your anecdote and biblical reality…is that
your anecdote portrays a man speaking, and his words are repeated by others.you use that claim/charge to prove that just because the words repeated are done by different people, doesn't make those people the same as the one who uttered the words.
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To allign your anecdote scripturally, the different people uttering the words of the company owner, would be the prophets.
Jesus however, are the company owners ACTUAL WORDS.
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If Mr. Roberts said, put your tools away.
The spirit of “put your tools away” would be likened unto that of The Word of God.
Being God and not a human, those words manifested in flesh as The Son of God, Christ Jesus.
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So I can understand where your coming from with your anecdote, but it doesn't hold any water to the greatness and wonders of our God YHVH.
Your interpretation, also doesn't allign with scripture.
Hi RokkaMan,
YHVH's word is YHVH! Why do you go about to (try) make his word his Son?
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (RokkaMan @ June 29 2010,09:02) I pulled this from another section of this website. The section was examining if the trinity doctrince was IN scripture.
I do not support the trinity doctrine but I would like to examine the claims.
The section was stating Jesus is not God and gave these examples to understand who Jesus is.
Quote God has spoken to us through the Prophets and now his Son.
See Hebrews 1:1-6
The Son is the exact brightness of Gods glory.
See Hebrews 1:1-6
He is the image of the invisible God.
See Colossians 1:12-16
God sustains all things by his Word (Jesus is the Word of God).
See Hebrews 1:1-6 & John 1:1
He is seated at the right hand of God.
See Colossians 3:1-3
He inherited a name more superior to the Angels.
See Hebrews 1:1-6
He is worthy to be worshipped by Angels.
See Hebrews 1:1-6
God became a Father when he begat his son “You are my Son, today I have become your Father”.
See Hebrews 1:1-6
He is the Firstborn from the Dead.
See Revelation 1:4-6
Jesus has first place in everything.
Jesus is head over the Church.
See Ephesians 1:22
He is Gods firstborn.
See Hebrews 1:1-6
Jesus is the Ruler or Beginning of the Creation of God.
See Revelation 3:14
Jesus is begotten, not created.
See John 1:3I'd like to touch these real quick.
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First off I agree with all of it, but here's my position in understanding Jesus' divinity.
The list states he's worthy to be worshipped by angels.
Not only Angels but everyone…for every knee shall bow before the lamb.According to the OT, only God is worthy of worship.
I'd also like to add that Jesus is The alpha and Omega.
According to the OT, only God is The Alpha and Omega.
Jesus was not created, he was begotten.
Everything else besides Jesus, we know to be created, this helps us understand that he came from YHVH's very own flesh/fabric/essence as oppose to being made
He is the exact brightness of YHVH's glory.
Who could amount to God's glory but God himself? You can't match perfection, only God can match perfection
He is the image of the invisible God
This doesn't say he was made in the image or likeness, it says that HE IS the image.Now I can touch on each one and it all fits perfectly into my cause, but I think I have sufficient imagery to prove my point.
If Jesus was but a mere man, all of christianity is in jeopardy for commiting the highest form of idolatry.
But as we know, we don't use man's mistakes to condemn God.
This issue however, also provides plenty of contradictions within the bible itself.
Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law but to fufill it.
Whereas the law condemns, Jesus atones.
Atonement doesn't change the law.
So if God said something in the OT…it is just as much valid as it is today than it was 4 thousand years ago!
If Jesus was but a mere man, all these statements would be blasphemy and idolatry.
(do i have to illustrate?)
but if Jesus is a manifestation of YHVH…it all makes perfect genius sense.
See because a manifestation is just that, a manifestation.
If you want to be successful, and you manifest your success with a good career. Is your career success itself?
Absolutely not, but it's a reflection of success.
In the same way if you manifest happiness with going to the park.
Is the park happiness itself?
Nope, but a reflection of that happiness.
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In the same light, if God manifested as Jesus Christ…does it make Jesus Christ YHVH himself?
Nope, but purely a reflection thereof.
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So what does it mean?
Jesus is a manifestation of YHVH himself which means he is NOT YHVH himself but only a reflection of.
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Is that understanding consistent with scripture?
Well lets see.…. Well i was going to list all the conflicting scripture side by side so you can see the picture i'm trying to paint, but instead i'll just say them.
The word of god was with god and is god.
If YHVH is God only, a manifestation can co-exist with it's source…in the same way a mirror with your image can co-exist with you.
In the beginning was the image, the image was with god, and the image WAS God
1 tim 3:16 God was manifest in flesh…
This one explicitely states my point.Everything was made by Jesus' hand (creation attributed to the son) even though God said in the OT he made the worlds
Well if the manifestation only does as he sees the source doing…then it makes perfect sense that God created everything, THROUGH Jesus Christ.
We have only one God
Yup, works here too…One God, different manifestations.
YHVH will not share his glory with another
Well if you pray to the manifestation, you are praying to the source in the same light as if I say hello to you via a mirror, i'm not talking to the mirror, but the person reflected in the mirror….
So long as I don't believe that YOU ARE THE MIRROR, in which I do not believe Jesus is YHVH but only a manifestation of
hhhmm, what else…
God is spirit
Duhhhh, he's invisible. everything visible comes from the invisible… including manifestations.
I'm running out of contradictions… =/
Jesus is God
well a manifestation is only an image of…Jesus is God in the sense of title. The almighty most high God is reserved for YHVH alone. The image and manifestation just isn't The Almighty Most High….
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So I conclude.
I believe the issue between anti-trinitarians and people like me who believe Jesus is God has always been communication.
I guess i've never done a good job of portraying that YHVH is Jesus even though Jesus is not YHVH.
I guess the best way to describe my understanding is…
YHVH has ALWAYS and forever been IN JESUS.
The application shows that they are not the same being, but to always be connected and tied since and always forever is beyond human comprehension…so much so that their beings would seem so similar that it would appear as they are one in the same.
So much so, that even YHVH himself shares his glory, not as The Most High but in every other way.
does anyone disagree?
please read the post before you do…
You provide an interesting post. Let us work together to clarify a few things.Regarding worship, there are, in the New T., six different words in the Greek that are translated worship. Each must be viewed by their meaning and how they are used in the scripture. For instance, one word for worship, proskuneo, is used in scripture for worship to God, Jesus Christ and in I Corinthians 14:25, believers who prophesy. One way this word, proskuneo, is defined is, to reverence or pay homage to any one. God is certainly most deserving of reverence and homage, and Jesus Christ is worthy of reverence and homage, and according to scripture so are those believers who prophesy.
Why did God choose to use the word proskuneo in I Corinthians? Because believers who prophecy are worthy of reverence and homage. Therefore, we cannot conclude that worship, ie, reverence and homage is sufficient cause to conclude that
some one is God or was with God before that person's conception and birth.I have not looked up the verse that says that only God is A and O, in the OT. However, consider that since Jesus Christ was not yet in existence until his conception and birth, Matthew 1:18, God did not have anyone else to delegate this responsibility to.. In the New Testament, not only is God the A and O , but so is JC.
God does delegate responsibility that He has to others. See II Corinthians 5:18. God reconciled us to himself by JC and now we have been given the ministry of reconciliation. verse 19 says that we have been given the word of reconciliation with which to carry out our ministry of reconciliation. That word of reconciliation is God's word, the scripture, the logos.
How do you know that Jesus Christ's coming into existence did not somehow include an act of creation? Since, Mary was of the lineage of David, and JC had to be of the lineage of David to inherit David's throne, how did the egg in the womb of Mary become impregnated, unless a sperm cell was there to impregnate it? Since God is the father of Jesus Christ, and God is spirit, and we know certainly that God did not have sex with Mary, how did that sperm cell get there? Did God create it? If He did not, how did it get there?
Does having the brightness of the glory of God make that person God? No, no more than some one else testing out to having an IQ equal to your IQ, make that person you. I am sure that there are many people that have the same IQ as you, but you are the only you. I am not suggesting that God and Jesus Christ had the same IQ, but a manifestation of God is not God, or make that manifestation equal to God. Again, God loves, God commands us to love, when we love are we God? No, we do manifest God's love. We must keep these things clear and distinct.
Why do you bring the word perfection in? For instance, God is holy, therefore we are to be holy. When we achieve some degree of holiness, does that make us God? or if we achieve one percent of God's holiness, does that make us one percent God?
Jesus Christ achieved everything his Father wanted for him to achieve. Yes, JC is the brightness of His glory.
Being the image of the invisible God does not make a person God.
I have the image of my lady friend on my computer. Does that mean my computer is my lady friend? Jesus Christ was shown a coin with the image of Caesar on it. Does that image of Caesar make that coin Caesar? The coin is inferior to Caerar. No, but it does indicate who issued it.
You could say God issued Jesus Christ to pay for the sins of the world.Who is is that suggests that because Jesus Christ is not God, that he is relegated to being a mere man?
How about we find out who is a mere man?
Jesus Christ healed many lepers. How many have you healed?
Jesus Christ healed blind people. How many blind people have you healed?
Jesus Christ healed the lame. How many lame have you healed?
Jesus Christ raised people from the dead. How many people have you raised from the dead?
Jesus Christ always did his father's will. Do you always do your heavenly Father's will?
Jesus Christ is the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world. How many sins have you taken away?
Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life. Who are you?
Jesus Christ walked on water. Have you walked on water?
God ascended Jesus Christ to sit at his own right hand. Has God ascended you?
Does Jesus Christ sound like a mere man to you?
He us everything I want in life and ever want to be in life.
I have not achieved one tenth of what he has done.
How much of what he has done have you achieved?
Jesus Christ is a man, and yes, Christianity has been guilty of idolatry. See Romans 1:23. The misguided theologians throughout the centuries have misguided many, many people. They have taken a man, God's man, and made a God out of him.
However, it is the preachers and teachers that are in greater error.
If God said something in the Old Testament, we have to be careful that we understand the context in which it was spoken.
If we do not, we might overreach God's intended purpose for saying something. God told Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good an evil. That applied to A and E only, it does not apply to us, for the obvious reason that we are not in the garden of eden.. So like wise many of the truths in the OT, we must be aware of the context in which they were spoken. We certainly can learn from that incident, ie, let's stick with God's commandments and not let ourselves get talked out of doing them.
Jesus Christ, is as you say, a manifestation of God, just like the burning bush was a manifestation of God to Moses, like the angel of the Lord in the burning bush was a manifestation of God to Moses, like the scriptures, the word of God is a manifestation of God to us. All men and women, the heavens and the earth are manifestations of God. Without God, none of things would exist, not even Jesus Christ.
John 1:1 does not have the word image in it, it is the word, the logos, the communication of what God is all about, that is God, was with God and is God.
Even as I know nothing about you except for your words, God's words are what communicates God to us. When we believe God's words, our lives become a manifestation of some of what God is about. Jesus Christ was the perfect manifestation of what God wanted revealed in Christ. Yet Jesus Christ is not a complete manifestation of God, because Jesus Christ does not know all things that God knows. How much you know about God and live in your life is how much you are a manifestation of God.
I Timothy 3:16, in the Stephens text contains a forgery. The word in the KJV, that is translated God, was not the original word in the Stephens text, the original word is the word, which. Great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh. The original world there could easily be modified from the word which to a word indicating God, ho to hos, which is evidently a contraction for the word for God, theos.
In no scripture does it say that Jesus Christ created anything. For instance, in Hebrews 1:1-3, people misread the passage. God made the worlds by JC, it does not say the JC made the worlds. God figured in JC when God made the worlds but JC did not exist when God made the worlds. God made the worlds by JC, because God in His foreknowledge knew that man would need a redeemer before God even started, so He made the worlds with our redeemer in mind.
Jesus Christ had been glorified by God. God did this because JC earned it. God glorified Moses, cause M earned it. God foreknew that JC would earn it. Therefore, JC could speak of this glory having been since before the world began.
Quote (RokkaMan @ July 04 2010,05:43) Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2010,05:35) Quote (RokkaMan @ July 03 2010,08:17) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 30 2010,07:39) Hi RM,
Are you so impatient with dissenters that you would DAMN them?
Don't attack God for the mistakes of Man. If I damn you, it doesn't change scripture.—-
BTW ED J you need to read the content of the scripture you provide before you present it as a rebuttal, because frankly it has no meaning or bearing on the point i've proved.
Hi RokkaMan,The point is you are turning your back on clearly written Scripture to side with religious speculation? (1Cor.2:11)
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
“The Word”([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.John 5:30: I can of mine own self do nothing…
John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting:
whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
Why do you turn your back to these Scriptures, to instead bolster 'the systems of religion'?The systems of religion and traditions of men communicate…
distortions of truth, confusion of mind, and distractions of spirit.
Everything I have said, fits perfectly with the scripture you have provided.I have not said Jesus is God.
I have not said Jesus is another God equal to YHVH.
I have not said Jesus and YHVH and the Holy Ghost make up a trinity.
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I've simply said, That Jesus Christ is, The Word of God…manifested in flesh.
and that, The Word of God is God himself.
So Jesus Christ is The human Manifestation of YHVH himself.
In which the manifestation takes on the role of a Son to God.
As oppose to a medium for God, like The Angel of The Lord in the OT.
Quote The point is you are turning your back on clearly written Scripture to side with religious speculation? (1Cor.2:11) I am falsley accused, do to lack of understanding on your part.
Quote John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
“The Word”([ο λογος] Hō Lōgôs) which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.[/B]Yes it is not his, The manifestation, it is of The Father who sent the human manifestation of himself.
because a manifestation is just that…a manifestation…and image, a reflection of the true spirit.
If i go to the playground and have fun…the playground isn't FUN itself…it is a manifestation of Fun.
In the same way, Jesus isn't God himself…he is a manifestation of God.
An image or reflection.
Quote John 5:30: I can of mine own self do nothing… I agree, because he is a manifestation or reflection of God.
Your image in the mirror cannot do anything you don't do yourself.
Quote John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting:
whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.Again, I agree entirely…understanding that Jesus is a manifestation of God in which it means to be a reflection of …
All the scripture in it's entirety makes perfect and complete sense.
So what heresy am I being charged of ED J?
You have some very interesting viewpoints.For instance, that Jesus Christ is a manifestation of God. Of course, he is. Even as all of creation is a manifestation of God, for without God there would be nothing but Himself.
There is clearly some misunderstandings here in our attempts to communicate what we are learning.
I am glad that you do not believe in a trinity.
Jesus Christ is God's perfect communication, logos, of Himself in the flesh. Logos basically meaning a message, or communication or the thoughts and logic behind the actual words used. The actual words used are important, they are the tools to communicate the idea behind the words.
For example, the two sentences, ” I will never leave you or forsake you” and “I will always be with you” communicate the same logos, the same idea, but very different words were used.
The most basic meaning of the word logos being the thought behind the words is very flexible in its application.. For instance, God can communicate Himself in a variety of ways, God got Moses attention with a burning bush. He sent an angel to communicate to Moses what God wanted Moses to know. The angel is not God, but the angel communicated what God Himself wanted communicated. Scripture is a vehicle of communicating God to us. It is the most important communication of God's thoughts to us. We do not have the personal presence of Jesus Christ to teach us, or to see his life. We have only scripture for us to learn about JC and about his Father, our God.
That which God wanted to be communicated by His son, was the ideas behind the words of the scripture. God's love for mankind was always the motivation for everything God ever did. Including letting them reaping the results of their errors. Some of them needed to learn the hard way. The meek, the coachable, learned from scripture and obedience to the scripture.
Basically, it is clear and obvious that Jesus Christ's life was in unity with God's will. Jesus Christ' chose to be obedient to the Fathers will, and did it so perfectly that Jesus Christ could say of himself and God, “I and my Father are one”
There is a danger though in trying to get them to be one in anything other than God's purposes and will for Jesus C.'s life. II Corinthians 5 tells us that God was in Christ, but that does not make JC God. It does tell us though, that God and Jesus Christ were as close as any Father and son could be or ever hope to be.
People have erroneously concluded that JC is God because of them misunderstanding some verses. JC worked in unity with God. We too,
can learn to work, live, breathe in unity with God.Jesus Christ certainly communicated God as he was supposed to do.
Thank for considering what I have written.
Barley,
That is the best post that I have seen for a long while.
9.9 out of 10.
(The 0.1 loss is because I'm not sure what you mean by 'Manifestation of God'. Doesn't mean you are wrong – just not sure what you mean)
Barley,
be cautious with Rokkaman. he bats for both sides – His name is “Luke” (Ask me why if you don't know?)
To all! Why is it so hard for some to understand John 1:1 and verse 14
God in the flesh…. Also Jehovah God called Jesus God in Hebrew 1:8. The Word of God will also come again as The Word of God.
Rev. 19:13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. \verse 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.
verse 15 Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself-treads the wine-press of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
verse 16 And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:”KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. We should all know who He is. I do our Savior King of Kings and Lord of Lords Jesus Christ.
Peace and love be with you all, Irene
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