Jesus died and paid the price of sin?

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 07 2009,15:57)

How is it that you can be a sinner if Jesus paid in full the price of sin? If the sins of the world have been taken away what sin remains?

Good question

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
The ransom is paid.
There is no queue outside the door of Christ waiting to be clothed in his righteousness.
Come and obtain the forgiveness paid for your sin by being washed in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the Son of God.

Are you waiting to see how it all fits together first?

.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 07 2009,16:04)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 08 2009,10:57) How is it that you can be a sinner if Jesus paid in full the price of sin? If the sins of the world have been taken away what sin remains? Hi BD: Only the sin of rejecting the what God has done for us in the person of Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ. Quote Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,   Hbr 10:27   But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.   Hbr 10:28   He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:   Hbr 10:29   Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?   Hbr 10:30   For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.   Hbr 10:31   [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God Love in Christ, Marty

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Only the sin of rejecting the what God has done for us in the person of Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.

So the only “SIN' in the world, is a “SIN” of rejecting Christ?

No other “SIN” exists?

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Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

So if you watch pornography, Abuse Alcohol, drugs, food, Kill, murder, steal, backbite, gossip, lie, become an adulterer, after you know truth and have its knowledge there is no salvation?

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 07 2009,16:34)

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 08 2009,11:04) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 08 2009,10:57) How is it that you can be a sinner if Jesus paid in full the price of sin? If the sins of the world have been taken away what sin remains? Hi BD: Only the sin of rejecting the what God has done for us in the person of Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ. Quote Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,   Hbr 10:27   But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.   Hbr 10:28   He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:   Hbr 10:29   Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?   Hbr 10:30   For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.   Hbr 10:31   [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God Love in Christ, Marty So there is no other sin that remains? the scripture says that the lamb of God takes away the sins of the world so even if the one sin you mentioned remains how does that sin remain when all truly means All and the whole world truly means the whole world? And when you preach do you preach that sin no longer remains and has been defeated? When a fellow believer comes to you and says he had an affair on his wife or stole some cash from his job because he was afraid he was going to lose his house do you say “don't worry because these are not sins”? Sin still remains doesn't it?

Great question

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 07 2009,16:38)

You gave me these scriptures: Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,   Hbr 10:27   But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.   Hbr 10:28   He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:   Hbr 10:29   Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?   Hbr 10:30   For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.   Hbr 10:31   [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God Are you aware that according to these verses you are under a worse law than the one you were supposed to be under for now it says that no sin can be forgiven nor anymore sacrifice for someone who commits a sin, do you believe this and have you not commited one single act of sin knowingly since you became “saved”? because if you have this scripture seems to say that sin remains.

They dont believe in any law.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 07 2009,16:52)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 08 2009,11:34) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 08 2009,11:04) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 08 2009,10:57) How is it that you can be a sinner if Jesus paid in full the price of sin? If the sins of the world have been taken away what sin remains? Hi BD: Only the sin of rejecting the what God has done for us in the person of Jesus His Only Begotten Son and His Christ. Quote Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,   Hbr 10:27   But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.   Hbr 10:28   He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:   Hbr 10:29   Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?   Hbr 10:30   For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.   Hbr 10:31   [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God Love in Christ, Marty So there is no other sin that remains? the scripture says that the lamb of God takes away the sins of the world so even if the one sin you mentioned remains how does that sin remain when all truly means All and the whole world truly means the whole world? And when you preach do you preach that sin no longer remains and has been defeated? When a fellow believer comes to you and says he had an affair on his wife or stole some cash from his job because he was afraid he was going to lose his house do you say “don't worry because these are not sins”? Sin still remains doesn't it? Hi BD: The blood of Jesus washes away the sins of those who come to God through him with a repentant heart.  This offer is to the whole world, but not all will accept what God has done for them. Also, when we as born again Christians sin, and we do, we repent and the blood of Jesus washes away our sins. The sin that remains is that of rejecting the salvation that God has provided through the Lord Jesus, practicing sin wilfully after one has received the knowledge of the truth. Love in Christ, Marty

How can you sin again as a christian if sin has been done away with.

What is sin anyway?

How do you know if you sin?

What tells you what sin is?

[NickHassan]

Hi CON,
The Law monitor all under it's authority but all have never been under it's authority but those without the law perished without the Law.
As far as the judgement after the second resurrection shown in Mt 25 there is one sin, rejection of salvation in Jesus[jn3]

All who are reborn and walk in the light are transformed from darkness to light by education of the law of the Spirit.
All still sin but not unto condemnation though the rod can hurt.[Heb12]
The Spirit teaches and admonishes from within.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 17 2009,18:46)

Hi CON, The Law monitor all under it's authority but all have never been under it's authority but those without the law perished without the Law. As far as the judgement after the second resurrection shown in Mt 25 there is one sin, rejection of salvation in Jesus[jn3] All who are reborn and walk in the light are transformed from darkness to light by education of the law of the Spirit. All still sin but not unto condemnation though the rod can hurt.[Heb12] The Spirit teaches and admonishes from within.

What is the Law of the Spirit?

And what Law of the Spirit teach?

[NickHassan]

Hi Con,
The Law if the Spirit is the law of love and freedom and joy.
It is not according to striving for righteousness which has been given in Jesus
It is not a negative law revealing sin but the inverse in polarity teaching about righteousness.
Walking in the Spirit and being led and controlled by the Spirit produces the good fruit of that Holy Spirit of God.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 18 2009,14:26)

Hi Con, The Law if the Spirit is the law of love and freedom and joy. It is not according to striving for righteousness which has been given in Jesus It is not a negative law revealing sin but the inverse in polarity teaching about righteousness. Walking in the Spirit and being led and controlled by the Spirit produces the good fruit of that Holy Spirit of God.

So if a Christian cheats on his wife it is not a sin unto him?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
If a man does that he is not yet being led by the Spirit.[Gal5]
The Spirit is an investment by God and we must produce good fruit[mt25]

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 18 2009,14:55)

Hi BD, If a man does that he is not yet being led by the Spirit.[Gal5] The Spirit is an investment by God and we must produce good fruit[mt25]

So no born again Christian has cheated on his wife?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Babies have to learn.
None gifted the Spirit can rest on his laurels
They poo their nappies and get into all sorts of mischief
Sons of God have to learn the ways of righteousness by walking in the Spirit.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 18 2009,16:56)

Hi BD, Babies have to learn. None gifted the Spirit can rest on his laurels They poo their nappies and get into all sorts of mischief Sons of God have to learn the ways of righteousness by walking in the Spirit.

So what your saying is that since those who did not have the guidance of the spirit before they could not have been guilty?

I would think that those with The Guidance of The Spirit have less excuse to sin since that was the point of them repenting as repentance clearly demonstrates the knowledge of right and wrong.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Those outside the Law are under the wrath of God apart from His mercy.
There is no righteousness before God except in His son.

God gives repentance to those who are invited and their awareness of sin leads them to seek forgiveness.
But no man is aware fully of his sin and no renewed man walks without stumbling.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 19 2009,06:09)

Hi BD, Those outside the Law are under the wrath of God apart from His mercy. There is no righteousness before God except in His son. God gives repentance to those who are invited and their awareness of sin leads them to seek forgiveness. But no man is aware fully of his sin and no renewed man walks without stumbling.

Then why did God call Abraham, Noah, Job and others righteous? Were they His sons?

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