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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2009,21:03) Hi RFC,
But God was in him[2cor5]
Was he God as well or the son of God?
Why not both?Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 12 2009,21:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2009,21:03) Hi RFC,
But God was in him[2cor5]
Was he God as well or the son of God?
Why not both?
Then you believe in two G-ds?Quote rancherforChrist:
I say,
I hate manipulation and I won't react to it. I do not teach the trinity doctrine, nor did I bring it up here. Like I said before, people will believe what they will believe about me. I'm not interested in what they believe about me.You may not teach it but you do allude to it.
Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 13 2009,15:39) Quote (georg @ Nov. 12 2009,20:16) Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 13 2009,14:41) Quote (georg @ Nov. 12 2009,19:21) Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 13 2009,14:05) Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 12 2009,18:54) rancherforChrist, Why do you embrace and worship three gods? Is it the way you were taught? Or something that came along later?
Constitutional,I didn't say I worshiped three Gods. You did.
But what you did say you believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That makes People think that you believe in the trinity doctrine, do you?
Irene
Hi Irene,You said,
“But what you did say you believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.”
You are correct Irene. I do believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Then you said,
“That makes People think that you believe in the trinity doctrine, do you?”
Irene, people don't think that because of something I say. They think that because they are hung up on some doctrine called Trinity. Many of those same people believe in the power of their own intellect more than the Power of Christ.
As they see it, the trinity doctrine is something for some to use as a tool to try and pick away at the foundation of Jesus Christ, and I have no interest in their pursuits. People will believe what they will believe about me. I'm not interested in what they believe about me. I'm interested in what they believe about Jesus.
Love ya,
Chris
That my friend is no answer. The trinity doctrine is a doctrine of men and not of God, and I for one want to know if a person believes that or not? So are you afraid to answer that question or not? Jesus Himself said you will come and say 'have I not prophesied in your name and He will say' I never knew you.”
Math, 15:4 “But in vain do they worship Me, teaching for the doctrine the commandment of men.”
Irene
Irene,I love you and I care about your life. I care about your eternity. I care about your very soul. But I am not one bit interested in what you want, and I pray that God will not give you what you want, but instead give you what He wants for you, in the name of Jesus, amen.
Irene you said,
“So are you afraid to answer that question or not?”I say,
I hate manipulation and I won't react to it. I do not teach the trinity doctrine, nor did I bring it up here. Like I said before, people will believe what they will believe about me. I'm not interested in what they believe about me.If you want to know where I stand on the trinity doctrine, why don't you ask God about me. That's what I did about you. I asked God. After all, He is the source of all knowledge.
Love ya,
Chris
For your information I don't need you to tell me off. You do not have an ounce full of respect for people it looks like. What I want? That is almost laughable its so funny. Do you know how old I am? My wants are gone for ever. I am one with God the Father and have no wants. I am happy the way I am. You come on this site and trow your weight around like you are some kind of Movie Star or something. My German heritage is showing. I am sitting here and laughing. My friend I am 71 years young and have no wants.
IreneQuote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 13 2009,16:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2009,21:03) Hi RFC,
But God was in him[2cor5]
Was he God as well or the son of God?
Why not both?
Hi RFC,
So are you saying he is really his own father?
Or is SON OF GOD just a title?Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 12 2009,22:02) Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 12 2009,21:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2009,21:03) Hi RFC,
But God was in him[2cor5]
Was he God as well or the son of God?
Why not both?
Then you believe in two G-ds?Quote rancherforChrist:
I say,
I hate manipulation and I won't react to it. I do not teach the trinity doctrine, nor did I bring it up here. Like I said before, people will believe what they will believe about me. I'm not interested in what they believe about me.You may not teach it but you do allude to it.
And you make so many assumptions.Quote (rancherforChrist @ Nov. 12 2009,23:05) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2009,22:59) Hi RFC,
Who is your God?
You first.
My G-d is Yahweh.My Lord is Yeshua HaMashiach.
Quote (katjo @ Nov. 13 2009,14:59) NO George, all things were made bY HIM AND FOR HIM! PLease explain these scriptures to me? John14:7 If ye had known me, ye should of known my father also;and from hencefourth you know him and have seen Him!(8) Phillip says; show us the father and Jesus replys;(9) Have I been so long time with you and yet has thou not known me? He that sees me, sees the Father; than how do you say, show us the Father? John 17;5 And now, O Father,glorify thou me WITH THINE OWN SELF with the glory which I had with thee before THE WORLD WAS(not created) Acts 2;36 Therefore let all the house of Isreal know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus,whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.(Jesus is Lord) Than (39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are far off, even as many as the Lord OUR GOD SHALL CALL! acts 4;12 Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts10;36 tells us Jesus is Lord of all Romans 13:8 for whether we live, welie unto the Lord; and weather we die we die unto the Lord; whether we live therefore or die, we are the Lords!. 1Timothy 3;16 Literally tells us GOD was manifest in the flesh! God is spirit who became flesh! Are we not a spirit that lives in a body? You cant say God sends us His spirit but that dont make us Gods, Thats the Holy Spirit He sends! Do you think He would of been believed on as much if he was not seen in the flesh. There is scripture that even says with our eyes we shall see GOD! It would have to be in the flesh right? Rev. 16;7 He is called Lord God Almighty (Lord not LORD)but GOD. He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS! Rev 19;1 he is the Lord our God (21;7) He tells us I will be his God and he shall be my son. I dont understand how you truly take these scriptures any different. Please answer! katjo
katjoYou come up with a lot of new scriptures, but ignore the once I have quoted you; I'm not surprised, they would be hard to explain considering what you believe.
Yes, Jesus did the creating, but the power behind him was the Father.Jhn 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Do I understand you correctly, you say by your scriptures that, seeing Jesus is seeing the father? Jesus has something different to say.
Jhn 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
The glory Jesus had before, was a spirit body; after he had finished the work here on earth and ascended to heaven, God gave him a divine and immortal body.
Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Had Jesus been God and immortal, he could not have died for us; that is what immortality means, death is impossible; you can not be immortal and then decide you want to die for some one.
You quoted a scripture that goes against your own believe, and you didn't even know it.Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
You see what it says? “that God has made that same Jesus”. Peter is talking about the Jesus they crucified, God made him.
Yes, Jesus will be king of kings, and lord of lords.Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
No human will ever see God, and neither will any human see Jesus ever again.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Have you ever looked at the sun in full strength?
Paul saw Jesus for just a moment, and it blinded him.Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, [even] Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
Georg
Quote (georg @ Nov. 13 2009,01:04) Quote (katjo @ Nov. 13 2009,14:59) NO George, all things were made bY HIM AND FOR HIM! PLease explain these scriptures to me? John14:7 If ye had known me, ye should of known my father also;and from hencefourth you know him and have seen Him!(8) Phillip says; show us the father and Jesus replys;(9) Have I been so long time with you and yet has thou not known me? He that sees me, sees the Father; than how do you say, show us the Father? John 17;5 And now, O Father,glorify thou me WITH THINE OWN SELF with the glory which I had with thee before THE WORLD WAS(not created) Acts 2;36 Therefore let all the house of Isreal know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus,whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.(Jesus is Lord) Than (39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are far off, even as many as the Lord OUR GOD SHALL CALL! acts 4;12 Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts10;36 tells us Jesus is Lord of all Romans 13:8 for whether we live, welie unto the Lord; and weather we die we die unto the Lord; whether we live therefore or die, we are the Lords!. 1Timothy 3;16 Literally tells us GOD was manifest in the flesh! God is spirit who became flesh! Are we not a spirit that lives in a body? You cant say God sends us His spirit but that dont make us Gods, Thats the Holy Spirit He sends! Do you think He would of been believed on as much if he was not seen in the flesh. There is scripture that even says with our eyes we shall see GOD! It would have to be in the flesh right? Rev. 16;7 He is called Lord God Almighty (Lord not LORD)but GOD. He is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS! Rev 19;1 he is the Lord our God (21;7) He tells us I will be his God and he shall be my son. I dont understand how you truly take these scriptures any different. Please answer! katjo
katjoYou come up with a lot of new scriptures, but ignore the once I have quoted you; I'm not surprised, they would be hard to explain considering what you believe.
Yes, Jesus did the creating, but the power behind him was the Father.Jhn 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Do I understand you correctly, you say by your scriptures that, seeing Jesus is seeing the father? Jesus has something different to say.
Jhn 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
The glory Jesus had before, was a spirit body; after he had finished the work here on earth and ascended to heaven, God gave him a divine and immortal body.
Jhn 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Had Jesus been God and immortal, he could not have died for us; that is what immortality means, death is impossible; you can not be immortal and then decide you want to die for some one.
You quoted a scripture that goes against your own believe, and you didn't even know it.Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
You see what it says? “that God has made that same Jesus”. Peter is talking about the Jesus they crucified, God made him.
Yes, Jesus will be king of kings, and lord of lords.Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
No human will ever see God, and neither will any human see Jesus ever again.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
Have you ever looked at the sun in full strength?
Paul saw Jesus for just a moment, and it blinded him.Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, [even] Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
Georg
Trinity is nothing but dogma.
FRAUDULENT BIBLICAL PASSAGES IN 1ST JOHN 5:7-8 Further proof that the doctrine of the trinity is false lies in the book of 1st John.
Trinitarians have used the words of 1st John 5:7-8 as a key argument for the trinity.
“For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.”
There is an enormous problem however in using these verses to bolster the trinity doctrine.
The passage is not authentic!
These words only appear in five later manuscripts and are not found in any of the earlier New Testament texts.
These verses are such obvious forgeries that even staunch Trinitarian scholars have been forced to admit as much.
Among them are the publishers of the New King James translation and various study bibles.
Trinitarians promote these false teachings!
1st John 5:7-8 1st John 5:7-8 in its true context without the spurious passage.
“For there are three who bear witness, the spirit, the water, and the blood, and these things agree as one.”
Upon seeing how these verses are intended to read, it is clear that in no way do they offer a credible argument for the trinity.
Now examine verse nine “If we receive the witness of men, the witness of 'Elohim is greater; for this is the witness of 'Elohim that he has testified in his SON Yeshua HaMoshiach.”
Clearly these passages are talking about two separate beings, the Heavenly Father and his only begotten SON Yeshua HaMoshiach.
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Nov. 13 2009,21:25) THE TRINITY-SATAN'S FALSE DOCTRINE
What are you talking about, my Husband and I do not believe in the trinity doctrine. Next time better make sure before you accuse a Brethren.
Irene
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