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Quote (followerofJesus @ Oct. 22 2009,10:12) NH I try to reason with you but you still refuse to believe Still denyt the deity of Jesus Christ
Still try and confuse others with your 'teachings'
I can not make you to believe
Nobody can
I guess you would find out when you die
We all will die, be judged, learn the turth
The only thing is then it may be too late to do something about it
May God watch over you
followerofJesus: On your debate with Nick I agree with you totally. There is actually no separation between God the father, son, and the spirit. Even though the scriptures sometimes make it look like one coming or going away in truth it is mental awareness, consciousness or lack thereof. When we believe God is in us, he is and when we don't believe God is in us he still is but are unaware of the truth at that moment.
When Nick refers to flesh and blood not being able to see the Kingdom of God that flesh and blood is refering to: the flesh, the old carnal, physical way of old testament not the new spiritual way to God through the words of Jesus. Jesus himself said the Kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21
Those of the new way Spirit will see/understand it, those of the old, carnal, physical, flesh and blood covenant that should be past, will not understand it!
Actually we must die now to the old way to take on the new way of Christ in You.The word of God in you. God in you! We are his Temple (made without hands) not the old brick and mortar temple. We are the Church which is the physical body of Jesus the Christ. Now you, God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and all those who accept and believe are in God. IMO. Bless you, TKHi TK,
Read 1Cor 15 correctly please.
Flesh and blood cannot INHERIT the kingdom.
You must be born again as God does not dwell in all.
God does not magically enter those who somehow think He is in them.Hey Nick: Would you please interpret Luke 17:20 & 21 for me. I may be blind but it seems to me that Jesus himself is telling his disciples that the Kingdom of God is not going to come with observation like look over there or look over here, because the Kingdom of God is within you! Thats inside of flesh and blood!! Thats the red letter version with Jesus doing the talking.
Nick says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. If you are referring to the old covenant ritualistic works way to God, you are correct. That old way cannot be mixed with the New Covenant purification by faith. If you are talking about the human body that is the temple of God and the body of Christ, I disagree.
Jesus says the Kingdom of God is within. Who shall we believe? Bless you Nick, TKHi TK,
Do you think he was addressing all men and telling them repentance is unnecessary and none needs to be reborn because God lives within all already?Wake up.
God does not dwell in sin.The kingdom is also referred to as heaven. And no flesh and blood can not enter, BUT when Jesus ascended into heaven,in His glorified body , He was flesh and bone! LIke we will be.God in you is the holy spirit, and the holy spirit is referred to as He.
Your ignoring scripture! I know who my father is! And his spirit lives in me!
Is Jesus not Lord?
God Is a title- FOR THE LORD!
Father, Son, Holy Spirit(3 distinct persons) all ONE GOD!
Hi KAT,
That is what the catholic church taught you but what did Jesus say about his God?
Or is catholicism your master?Quote (katjo @ Nov. 20 2009,12:52) God Is a title- FOR THE LORD!
Hi Katjo,Lord is a title for owner, we all become owners with Christ.
Eph.1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one
all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:GOD is a title for “YHVH”(God's Name), and He is both “LORD of Lords” and “KING of Kings”.
The AKJV Bible used “LORD” as a replacement for יהוה
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Nov. 21 2009,00:53) Quote (katjo @ Nov. 20 2009,12:52) God Is a title- FOR THE LORD!
Hi Katjo,Lord is a title for owner, we all become owners with Christ.
Eph.1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one
all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:GOD is a title for “YHVH”(God's Name), and He is both “LORD of Lords” and “KING of Kings”.
The AKJV Bible used “LORD” as a replacement for יהוה
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
I wish you woiuld quote the Scriptures the way they are written.
LORD in capital letters is speaking of the Father and not Christ.
Also it does not say at the end – even Him, it says just-Him.
Adding to Scriptures???
Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. That is the correct way. Not LORD that is the Father. The Father never claimed to be Lord of Lords and King of Kings. That is Jesus.
IreneIRENE!! YOU BETTER READ REV. 19;16 AGAIN BECAUSE JESUS IS KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. ALL CAPITALS!!! AND lord GOD IS ALSO IN SCRIPTURE Together AND NO CAPITALS!!! I will show you if you'd like!
katjoIn the original languages of the Bible, capitalizing pronouns referring to God was not an issue. In Hebrew, there was no such thing as upper-case and lower-case letters. There was simply an alphabet, no capital letters at all. In Greek, there were capital (upper-case) letters and lower-case letters. However, in all of the earliest copies of the Greek New Testament, the text is written in all capital letters.
katjoblueletterbible.org– Look at these scriptures! The Hebrew words Elohim and Adonai are applied to something other than the true and living God. There is, however, one name that is unique to the God of the Bible. This name is Yahweh—an alternative transliteration is Jehovah. Yahweh refers to “the self-existent, eternal God” the name God revealed to Moses:
And God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM. And He said, ‘Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you' (Exodus 3:14).
Moses later wrote.
The Lord is a warrior; the Lord is his name (Exodus 15:3).
The prophet Isaiah declared.
I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols (Isaiah 42:8).
Jeremiah wrote.
Therefore I will teach them – this time I will teach them my power and might. Then they will know that my name is the LORD (Jeremiah 16:21).
Jeremiah also wrote.
This is what the LORD says, he who made the earth, the LORD who formed it and established it -the LORD is his name (Jeremiah 33:2).
The prophet Amos wrote.
He who made the Pleiades and Orion, who turns blackness into dawn and darkens day into night, who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out over the face of the land – the LORD is his name (Amos 5:8).
In Amos it also says.
The One who builds his upper chambers in the heavens and has founded his vaulted dome over the earth, he who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the face of the earth, the Lord is his name (Amos 9:6).
Therefore the name Yahweh or Jehovah (Lord) is the name that God uses of Himself.
All Capital Letters In English Translations
In English translations of the Old Testament, whenever we find the word Lord spelled LORD with all capital letters, it is the translation of the name Yahweh.
The Vowel Points Were Taken From Adon
The name Jehovah or Yahweh is taken from the consonants of the divine name and the vowels for the Hebrew word for master “Adon.” The four letters that spell the divine name (YHWH or JHVH) are called the Tetragrammaton.
Yahweh Is The Sacred Name
The name Yahweh is sacred. The Jews considered as unpronounceable and incommunicable.
Yahweh Is The Covenant Keeping Name
Yahweh is the covenant-keeping name of God. When the creative aspect of God is recorded then the name Elohim is used (Genesis 1). However when there is a relationship involved with humanity the name Yahweh is used (Genesis 2). These differences are consistent throughout the entire Old Testament.
Yahweh Is Used With Other Names For God
Yahweh is used in combination with other names for God.
Yahweh-Elohim
This is translated “the Lord God.” This title is used of God relationship to humanity as the Creator, and Redeemer.
This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens (Genesis 2:4).
Later, in the same chapter, we read.
So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place (Genesis 2:21).
When Adam and Eve sinned, Yahweh-Elohim made them garments of skin.
The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them (Genesis 3:21).
This name is also used of God's relationship to Israel.
The Lord, the God of heaven, who took me from my father's house and from the land of my birth, and who spoke to me and who swore to me, saying, ‘To your descendants I will give this land,' He will send His angel before you, and you will take a wife for my son from there (Genesis 24:7).
Moses also wrote.
God, furthermore, said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, `The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations” (Exodus 3:15).
Adonai Yahweh
The combination of Adonai Yahweh is used. Moses said.
O Lord God, you have begun to show your servant your greatness and your strong hand; for what god is there in heaven or on earth who can do such works and mighty acts as yours? (Deuteronomy 3:24).
Joshua wrote.
Joshua said, “Alas, O Lord God, why did you ever bring this people over the Jordan, only to deliver us into the hand of the Amorites, to destroy us? If only we had been willing to dwell beyond the Jordan” (Joshua 7:7).
Yahweh Sabaoth – The Lord Of Hosts
He is also known as the Lord of Hosts.
Now this man would go up from his city yearly to worship and to sacrifice to the Lord of hosts in Shiloh (1 Samuel 1:3).
This combination occurs at times with reference to warfare. It occurs mostly when the nation Israel is in some type of crisis. For example we read.
The Lord of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our stronghold (Psalm 46:7).
It also speaks of God' power and glory.
Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he is the King of glory (Psalm 24:10).
The primary idea behind, “hosts” is the angels but the name also refers to the divine power that is available to meet the need of the Lord's people.
The Word Yahweh Implies A Relationship
He is Yahweh only to those who have a relationship with Him. The name Yahweh is used throughout the Old Testament with compound words that describe something of His character.
He Is The Lord Who Provides
Yahweh is the providing God.
And Abraham called the name of the place, The-Lord-Will-Provide (Genesis 22:14).
He Is The Lord Who Heals
He is the Lord who heals.
He said, “If you listen carefully to the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in his eyes, if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees, I will not bring on you any of the diseases I brought on the Egyptians, for I am the LORD, who heals you (Exodus 15:26)
He Is Our Banner
He is called the Lord our banner.
And Moses built an altar and called it, The LORD is my banner (Exodus 17:15)
Yahweh Is Our Peace
The Lord is also our peace.
Then Gideon built an altar there to the LORD, and called it, The LORD is peace. To this day it still stands at Ophrah, which belongs to the Abiezrites (Judges 6:24).
He Is A Shepherd
The Lord is the Shepherd to believers.
The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want (Psalm 23:1).
Yahweh Is The Lord Our Righteousness
He is also the Lord our righteousness.
Now this is his name by which he will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS (Jeremiah 23:6).
He Is The Lord Who Is There
When His kingdom comes to this earth, He is the Lord who is there.
The circumference of the city shall be eighteen thousand cubits. And the name of the city from that time on shall be, The LORD is There (Ezekiel 48:35).
Each of these names of the Lord shows how He meets the needs of humanity.
The Divine Qualities Are Stressed With His Name
There are also a number of the divine qualities or attributes of the Lord that is stressed. These include the following.
The Lord Is Mighty
The Lord is mighty.
The Lord shall go forth like a mighty man; he shall stir up his zeal like a man of war. He shall cry out, yes, shout aloud; he shall prevail against his enemies (Isaiah 42:13).
The Lord Is Our Maker
He is the Lord our Maker.
Oh come, let us worship and bow down; let us kneel before the Lord our Maker (Psalm 95:6)
The Lord Most High
He is the Lord Most High.
I will praise the Lord according to His righteousness, and will sing praise to the name of the Lord Most High (Psalm 7:17)
The Lord Is The Judge
Scripture says that the Lord is the Judge.
Therefore I have not sinned against you, but you wronged me by fighting against me
. May the Lord, the Judge, render judgment this day between the children of Israel and the people of Ammon (Judges 11:27).Summary
In the Old Testament the divine name is the Lord. The Hebrew word is pronounced Yahweh or Jehovah. This is the special name that God with to His people. In the English Bible it is spelled with all capital letters LORD. The name is also used in compound form with other divine names. This includes Yahweh-Elohim, Yahweh-Adonai, and Yahweh Sabaoth. The compound forms of the divine name emphasize the various ways in which the Lord relates to humanity. The name Yahweh is the covenant name between God and His people. It is not used of false gods.
-Isiah 29;13 wherefore the Lord said(Old Testament no capitals) For as much as these people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men–Jesus makes same claim in new testament! Isiah 37;16 O LORD of host, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cher'-u-bims, thou art thy God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth- COL.TELLS ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY JESUS, BY HIM AND FOR HIM! ISAIH 41;4 WHO HATH WROUGHT AND DONE IT, CALLING THE GENERATIONS FROM THE BEGINNING? I AM THE LORD, THE FIRST, AND WITH THE LAST; (I AM He)!! REV.THATS old TESTAMENT. REV TELLS US IN JESUS'S WORDS- HE IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST, THE BEGINNIG AND THE END. NNOW GO TO JOHN8;24 JESUS' WORDS; I SAID THEREFORE UNTO YOU, THAT YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS; FOR IF YOU BELEIVE NOT THAT (I AM HE) YE YOU SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS. no condradictions there?
katjo
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