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Quote (Towshab @ Jan. 03 2008,13:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 02 2008,20:04) Hi Tow,
You cannot offer scriptural proofs for all scripture to you is dodgy.
The blood of the sacrificial lamb fell to earth for your sake.
Ah, so do you accept this?Lev 17:3 If any one of the house of Israel kills an ox or a lamb or a goat in the camp, or kills it outside the camp,
Lev 17:4 and does not bring it to the entrance of the tent of meeting to offer it as a gift to the LORD in front of the tabernacle of the LORD, bloodguilt shall be imputed to that man. He has shed blood, and that man shall be cut off from among his people.So if Jesus' blood fell to the ground, then Lev 17:4 says it was not a proper offering. Sorry, Christianity is false.
Hi Tow,
Christ was murdered.
The blood guilt then belongs to the murderers.
Christ, the eternal priest, entered the true Holy of Holies, heaven, bearing his sacrificial blood. [Heb 9]Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 02 2008,20:42) Quote (Towshab @ Jan. 03 2008,13:11) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 02 2008,20:04) Hi Tow,
You cannot offer scriptural proofs for all scripture to you is dodgy.
The blood of the sacrificial lamb fell to earth for your sake.
Ah, so do you accept this?Lev 17:3 If any one of the house of Israel kills an ox or a lamb or a goat in the camp, or kills it outside the camp,
Lev 17:4 and does not bring it to the entrance of the tent of meeting to offer it as a gift to the LORD in front of the tabernacle of the LORD, bloodguilt shall be imputed to that man. He has shed blood, and that man shall be cut off from among his people.So if Jesus' blood fell to the ground, then Lev 17:4 says it was not a proper offering. Sorry, Christianity is false.
Hi Tow,
Christ was murdered.
The blood guilt then belongs to the murderers.
Christ, the eternal priest, entered the true Holy of Holies, heaven, bearing his sacrificial blood. [Heb 9]
False words do not equal truth.Heb 8:4 Now if he were on earth, he would not be a priest at all, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law.
He died while on earth. Heb 8:4 says he was not a priest while on earth. Your assertion is proven false using your own GT.
He never entered. He died and faced the same fate as his other comrades on the cross: the heap of bodies. Only the GT says differently. History says crucified criminals were not allowed proper burial.
Hi tow,
We know he died but Pilate could not find a good reason.
If he did not die then God would not be glorified in his rising.
Joseph of Arimathea sought and obtained permission for his burial.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 02 2008,21:26) Hi tow,
We know he died but Pilate could not find a good reason.Yes he did, he had it engraved for all see. Jesus claimed to be a king and that was a crime (insurrection) punishable by crucifixion.
Quote If he did not die then God would not be glorified in his rising.
Joseph of Arimathea sought and obtained permission for his burial.
He died and stayed that way. The rest is unverifiable fiction.Hi tow,
Why not cast out the whole bible as you are almost there.
But then what would you do all day?Quote (Towshab @ Jan. 03 2008,14:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 02 2008,21:26) Hi tow,
We know he died but Pilate could not find a good reason.Yes he did, he had it engraved for all see. Jesus claimed to be a king and that was a crime (insurrection) punishable by crucifixion.
Quote If he did not die then God would not be glorified in his rising.
Joseph of Arimathea sought and obtained permission for his burial.
He died and stayed that way. The rest is unverifiable fiction.
Hi Tow,
Did you discover these things in the NT and not call them fiction too?
Consistency would be helpful.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 02 2008,21:51) Hi tow,
Why not cast out the whole bible as you are almost there.
But then what would you do all day?
Nick,Do you kneel before your bible? Is it on an altar?
Hi Tow,
It is a matter of having a base to build your learning on.
If you know scripture is truth then you can add the building blocks together and form an understanding.
But you cannot build on what you have because the basis on which you are building is sand-your own opinion.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 02 2008,21:55) Quote (Towshab @ Jan. 03 2008,14:36) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 02 2008,21:26) Hi tow,
We know he died but Pilate could not find a good reason.Yes he did, he had it engraved for all see. Jesus claimed to be a king and that was a crime (insurrection) punishable by crucifixion.
Quote If he did not die then God would not be glorified in his rising.
Joseph of Arimathea sought and obtained permission for his burial.
He died and stayed that way. The rest is unverifiable fiction.
Hi Tow,
Did you discover these things in the NT and not call them fiction too?
Consistency would be helpful.
His claiming to be a king is in the GT, as is the inscription on the cross. The other is a historical fact of all others that died on the cross. But since the GT is fiction, why believe a silly notion of resurrection unless Jesus was just in a coma?Hi Tow,
You have rejected Christ Jesus but we are believers that he is the way to God and the truth and the life. He has the words of Life. To whom else can we go? He was dead and he lives.It is a matter of living faith but you have grown a tree of useless doubt.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 03 2008,02:07) Hi Tow,
You have rejected Christ Jesus but we are believers that he is the way to God and the truth and the life. He has the words of Life. To whom else can we go? He was dead and he lives.[/quote]You can go to the on true G-d, YHVH.
It is a matter of living faith but you have grown a tree of useless doubt.
I have a living faith in a real G-d not a false messiah. Therein lies a difference. Just read your OT without the Jesus glasses on. The truth will come alive.Hi Tow,
The OT was never designed to be the whole truth
and the sending of the Son was intended to be a secret
only revealed to those who knew the heart of the Law of God.
You may feel more comfortable and in control restricting yourself to a dead bible contraction.
The Spirit of God is bigger than your damaged OT and that wine bursts out of human religious constructs.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 03 2008,02:21) Hi Tow,
The OT was never designed to be the whole truth
and the sending of the Son was intended to be a secret
only revealed to those who knew the heart of the Law of God.Haha that's one of the better ones you've come up with. It basically says that you cannot provide a shred of evidence that Jesus can be the King Messiah according to the Tanakh, so now its all secrets and incomplete revelations. What did your Jesus say?
Joh 5:39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me
You say the OT was not the “whole truth” yet Jesus says they testify of him. Where Nick? Deu 13?
Strange that the majority of ones who really knew the Torah rejected him while the common folk who knew little accepted him. They were impressed with his parlor tricks.
Even today, the ones who really know Tanakh still do not accept him.
Quote You may feel more comfortable and in control restricting yourself to a dead bible contraction.
The Spirit of God is bigger than your damaged OT and that wine bursts out of human religious constructs.
Oh, I'm supposed to read between the lines! With a gigantic dose of eisegesis, closing my eyes and ignoring what is written of the messianic age and the real King Messiah, I too can believe!Sorry, I don't need fire insurance.
Nick, if you can't provide scriptural evidence from the OT, stop making such excuses as secrets and such. You are doing your religion a disservice.
Original Post because Nick Hassan's only defense is to take threads off topic.
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Christians say that before Jesus died on the cross, the only true way to receive forgiveness of sins was via animal blood sacrifice. Even Hebrews saysHeb 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.
Was Jesus under the law? What did he say?
Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
If the new covenant, the covenant that no longer needed blood sacrifice because of Jesus' shed blood had not come until Jesus's death, what of the following?
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Mar 2:5 And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”Luk 7:48 And he said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
==================================What is this? I see no sacrifice here. How can sins be forgiven under the “old covenant” without blood?
Hi Tow,
If you knew the Son of God and God in him
you would understand that God is sovereign
and does not need laws given to man to forgive.Sorry, but you said G-d, not Jesus. So even you agree Jesus did not have the authority because you cannot provide a single shred of evidence that G-d said He would give the authority to another.
Hi tow,
You memory is failing.
God gave all authority to His appointed Lord.
Daniel 7:14
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
This is supposed to be Jesus? Oh, thanks, you just gave me another prophecy that he does not match. Jesus does not have dominion, 3/4 of the world is not Christian so 3/4 of the world does not serve Jesus. You make a very valid point about Dan 7:14 being about someone else, certainly not Jesus.
Really, you should read all of the words of scripture you quote.
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