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David,
You asked Nick, “”
Quote So Elijah has you speaking hebrew now? David, I will also defend Nick too!
What's wrong with speaking the original Hebrew, which is the very original language that the scriptures were written?
David, why don'y you “” LOOK “” in the “” footnotes “” of your ( N.W.T.), what are those Hebrew words doing there?
Eliyah C.
David, it is even written in the ( Appendix ) in the back of your ( N.W.T.) where they( The JWs) admit that the Father's more correct Name is Yahwih=Yahweh=YaHWeH “”.
Much of the Scriptures were written in Hebrew Elijah.
When something is translated, it's good to look at the original expressions, obviously, for clarity.
But the Scriptures themselves are in English.
We speak English.If you like Elijah, I can help you in your effort to convince me.
Why don't you ask why we have transliterated the words hades and sheol instead of using the word hell?
We have just confirmed that no Jehovah's Witnesses were killed in the New Orleans disaster. This would be owing to our organization Nick.
“The text located i the U.S.S.R., namely, the Codex Leningrad B 19A, used for Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia (BHS), vowel-points the Tetragrammaton to read Yehwah, Yehwih and a number of times Yehowah, as in Ge 3:14. The edition of the Hebrew text by Ginsburg (Gins.) vowel-points YHWH to read Yehowah.”
Is this what you were trying to say?
David,
Then WHY do the JWs admit in the BOOKLET called ( Let Your Name be Sanctified, Pages 16 and 20) that the Name Yahweh is the more correct Name, but they( The JWs) use the name ” Jehovah ” because people are more familiar with that name??
David, I wanted people to KNOW the more correct “” Hebrew to English Transliteration” is the Name YAHWEH, because the name of ” Jehovah ” was derived at by combinning the “” Vowel pointing of the word ” Adonia “” with the four letters “” YHWH “”.
Ps. You NEVER did go answer that question in the “” Baal Gad Topic “” for me ??
Eliyah C.
Here is ANOTHER interesting Article in the ( New World Translation, Page 1561 of the Appendix)
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Quote The Edition of the Hebrew text by Ginsburg( Gins.) VOWEL POINTS YHWH to read Yehowah. While many translators FAVOR THE PRONOUNCIATION ' YAHWEH ', the New World Translation CONTINUES TO USE THE FORM 'JEHOVAH ' BECAUSE OF PEOPLE'S FAMILIARITY WITH IT FOR CENTURIES. There is also ANOTHER interesting Article here ON THE SAME PAGE that absolutely PROVES what I've been saying about substituting ” titles ” for YHWH'S Name was developed IN THE LATER COPIES OF THE SEPTUAGINT, the Latin Vulgate, and MANY OTHER TRANSLATIONS, ancient and modern.
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Quote A Greek-English Lexicon, by Liddel and Scott(LS), page 1013, states Kuplos=Hebrew YAHWEH, LXX Gen.11:5, al”” End of Quote from ( N.W.T. Page 1561 in the Appendix)
I rest my case for YHWH'S name being Substitued for ” TITLES” in LATER COPIES OF THE SEPTUAGINT.
The sacred Name of YAHWEH is in THE FIRST CENTURY fragments of the LXX, but the Name was later substituted with “” TITLES “” in the later copies of the 3rd century LXX.
I have studied all this before, and even the ( N.W.T.) will back me up on those pagan substituted ” Titles “” for His true Name of YHWH=Yah( Psalms 68:4).
Eliyah C.
Why are you still awake. Isn't it like 4:00 in the morning there?
Hey, do you have a New Zealand accent?
The meeting went fine. A chinese brother was teaching me the proper pronunciation of some things.
Quote (david @ Sep. 15 2005,06:35) Nick, doens't it wear you down constantly having to defend your beliefs, hour after hour?
Hi david,
Attack all you like. I learn with each brick thrown.I'll just briefly describe the two meetings we had tonight.
The Theocratic Ministry School is made up of several students giving talks on a variety of subjects. It helps them in their speaking ability. It helps them with public speaking and with talking with people in the preaching work. Plus, we get to discuss Bible topics and we are constantly being refreshed with Scriptural thoughts.
Then, the Service Meeting. There are announcements, then a couple other Audience discussions with question and answer parts.
This particular meeting, we were visited by a brother tsi. As I've mentioned, he's chinese. He gave a little talk and will be giving a talk in Chinese on Sunday in the afternoon. We have about 13 new Chinese congregations in the past 6 years in Canada. A lot of Chinese people in this city in which I live. They come to school here. They are very receptive to the kingdom message. Often it seems like we're helping them with their english while studying with them. Personally, it's quite a change to study with someone who doesn't have any of the Christendom false beliefs to deal with.david
6.30 pm david here so not bedtime yet. Yes I work fulltime .This is my diversion and it helps me grow.
OOOH. 6:30 PM. I thought you were 6 hours ahead of me, not behind me. That makes more cents, working fulltime.
“They could have been immediately freed.”
Genevieve De Gaulle, niece of Charles de Gaulle, former president of France got to know Jehovah’s Witnesses personally in the Nazi concentration camp at Ravensbruck, northern Germany. She wrote the above words in a letter in August 1945.
The concentration camp at Auschwitz, Poland, was liberated on January 27, 1945. Ever since 1996, this date has been a memorial day in Germany for victims of Hitler’s Third Reich.
During an official memorial speech on January 27, 2003, the president of the State Parliament of Baden-Wurttemberg, Peter Straub, commented: “All those who suffered persecution because of their religious or political beliefs and who were willing to accept death rather than submit deserve our great respect, such respect as is hard to express in words. Jehovah’s Witnesses were the only religion that completely refused to accede to the demands of the Hitler regime: They did not raise their hand to give the Hitler salute. They refused to swear allegiance to ‘Fuhrer and State,’ just as they refused to perform military and labor service. And their children did not join the Hitler Youth Movement.”
Jesus Christ said of his followers: “They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.” (John 17:16) Hence, the stand of Jehovah’s Witnesses was purely on religious grounds. Straub continued: “Jehovah’s Witnesses, who had to wear a purple triangle on their clothes as concentration camp prisoners, were the only ones who could themselves have put an end to their own martyrdom. Signing a declaration denying their faith would have been sufficient.”
For the vast majority of the Witnesses, denying their faith was out of the question. Thus, about 1,200 of them died during the Nazi period. Two hundred and seventy were executed as conscientious objectors. They paid much more than just lip service to the statement: “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” (Acts 5:29)
Hi David,
I remember speaking with a Christadelphian who told me of all the persecutions and martyrdoms they have suffered over the years but it does not make their doctrines any more true. Catholics constantly speak of their suffering at the hands of the other religious groups, in Ireland especially but this also gives no added credence to their doctrines. Neither does the antiwar stance show that the JW's are saved.
What Yeshua says is still true and the basis for salvation.
” You must be born again”
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