Jehovah's witnesses

[david]

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We do not preach any denominations here so your idea lacks substance.

Does it? Does it?
Let's look at your words, with “JW” taken out and your name put it:

“I guess also [Nick] uses the obvious weakness of the trinity theory and other falsehoods taught in the traditional churches to break down trust in other denominations so they can build faith on [his] doctrines.“

So I'll say it again:
I think perhaps Nick sees in others what is true of himself.

[david]

See:

http://www.knocking.org

There are three clips you can view. This film is made by the son of a JW, someone who doesn't hold to our beliefs but finds our story interesting.

This page shows the three clips available on youtube:
http://www.knocking.org/Video_Highlights.html

[Proclaimer]

david. You can replace anybodies name in a sentence where there is mention of a denomination but that proves nothing.

E.g., JWs say Jesus came as a man.
Bob says that Jesus came as a man.

Is Bob a denomination?

No he is a person who believes that Jesus came as a man.

david I think you are clutching at straws.

The point is that we are only trying to search out the scriptures and read what they are saying. For this reason we shun denominations and cults.

Surely you can understand this?

Why all the opposition and why do all these bound up people in these organisations try so hard to recruit us.

Perhaps the enemy is angry because we are free?

Surely that must be the answer as to why there would be so much opposition to a group of people who are only seeking and searching out what is written in scripture in a likewise manor as the bereans who checked everything out to see if it was written.

Personally I can understand anyone being knocked for trying to get others to join an organisation made by men or trying to get you to serve or give financially to an organisation, whether it is the Mormons, Amway, or whatever. People tend to knock those who have recruitment programs that try to trap you inside them. People probably do that because in truth some do not want what they are trying to sell.

So does persecution or a negative reaction mean that Amway is the truth? Does knocking JWs make them the truth?

But as far as people who honestly seek what is written in scripture, surely God wouldn't be hindering people from searching the truth in scripture if that is what their hearts desired. So if it isn't God hindering us from seeking and asking, then who is it?

[NickHassan]

Hi,
JWs, like catholicism has a well kept secret. They both believe they are the only true faith and all outside of them are deceived. David as an ex catholic and a JW sincerely manifests this belief and thus is not interested in drawing anyone to Christ but only to join the JWs.

[Proclaimer]

That is my guess too.

I do not oppose him on some things that he believes if they are not absolutes or if what he teaches is correct.

But I oppose him on his denominationalism/cultist thinking and I think it is dishonest to have a recruitment program for a denomination or cult as the real reason for teaching and preaching here.

If a person is not helping to draw men unto Christ, then his work is in vain.

But even if someone is trying to recruit for a denomination or cult and they admit as such, at least the intention of the heart is clear and transparent for all to see.

But hiding under the cloke of being a nice guy all the while just waiting to pounce on someone who may be straying away from the path toward a doctrine or teaching that is promoted by a denomination or cult, then surely that seems like the behaviour of a wolf pretending to be a sheep.

If not then what else do we call such behavior?

Can you in all honesty say to me david that you are not here to recruit people for the JWs?

[NickHassan]

Hi t8,
I think david is sincere and theoretically should not be here at all according to his dogmas but he justifies being here because he sees it as an opprtunity to doorknock internationally for the JWs. That is the saddest part is that he has so much awareness of truth but that truth has yet to fasten onto his spirit such that he wants to serve Christ rather than the JWs.

[Proclaimer]

I agree Nick. But he does have a decision to make.

Will he follow Christ this day, or will he follow the Jehovah Witness leadership?

[david]

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Can you in all honesty say to me david that you are not here to recruit people for the JWs?

I'll say this for the 8th time. I was researching the trinity doctrine and was shocked greatly to find that there are people on the planet other than JW's who do not believe in the trinity. You argue against the trinity just as any Jehovah's Witness would, who knows the truth.
So, that caught my interest. It is an odd thing to disagree with this universal false belief. So I wanted to see what else you knew.
Over time I stayed because I like speaking to people about the Bible. That is the truth. You can believe the truth if you like, or not.
You will notice, dear T8, that for about a year, I actually avoided what you would think of as JW topics. And, really, I only answered when asked, or when charged or attacked or criticized. You'll notice that on this thread and the other JW threads that people have started (not me) it isn't me who keeps the conversation going. It is you. Here, you and Nick are discussing me. Why wouldn't I respond? As long as you continue to say wrong things, false things about JW's or about the truth or what the Bible says, I will want to correct you, or anyone who speaks falsely. It is in my nature to want to share the truth. That is why I am here. That is why I post this post. T8, perhaps you've noticed that there is an infinity of websites that say bad things about JW's, just as there is a great number of sites that say bad things about people who don't hold to the trinity belief. Often, the two go hand in hand. When I see such wrong things, I want to speak. When you hear someone saying that Jesus is God Almighty, don't you want to correct their thinking? That is why I say what I say.

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Why all the opposition and why do all these bound up people in these organisations try so hard to recruit us.

I assure you I have never tried to “recruit” you nor have I entertained the thought.
T8, have I ever asked you to become a JW? Or have I asked anyone on here that, ever? Have I ever said: You should become a JW? No, not to anyone. Ever.

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Will he follow Christ this day, or will he follow the Jehovah Witness leadership?

This is an either/or fallacy. What if the Jehovah's Witnesses who you say are leaders are following Christ, as undershephards? In that case, I could do both. There are all those scriptures about the older men or elders who are shepharding the flock, the way the original first century Christian congregation was organized. There was a governing body at that time, who oversaw the preaching work. And there is today, in these last days.

[Proclaimer]

OK dave that is good to hear.

My experience with those who are dedicated to a denomination or cult is that all they really want from you is to join that organisation.

But if you are different, then I welcome that.

Let us reason together my friend.

Regarding your last point.

When we follow Christ that means that we hear his voice and respond in obedience out of love. If you hear Christ through another person, then respond. If we hear him speak through a tax collector or other type of undesirable human, then respond. If he speaks to your spirit, then respond. If he speaks to you through people in these forums then respond. For the voice of another we do not hear.

But I wonder if the JWs as a whole or if their leadership would accept that?

[david]

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My experience with those who are dedicated to a denomination or cult is that all they really want from you is to join that organisation.

I have a question. When you follow Jesus command to preach the good news, when you follow this “order” as Paul (I think) called it, and someone responds favorably, do you not want them to “join” the body of Christ, as you believe yourself and others to be?
My motive on here is simply to dispence truth. There is a LOT of false statements, half truths, and outright lies in the world.
Another question: If you tell someone the truth about Christ and the good news, will you expect them to act on what they accept, if they accept the truth? Will you expect them to “join” what you consider to be the body of Christ?
Because it seems to me we are doing the same thing. You think I am recruiting when I think I am telling the truth. I think you are recruiting people to what you consider the body of Christ. And we both think we are doing these things by telling others the truth.

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But I wonder if the JWs as a whole or if their leadership would accept that?

What JW's as a whole do accept is that God draws people to him. If there is someone with the right heart, deserving, they will be drawn to God. But this does seem to coincide with the worldwide preaching work fortold for our time.

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When we follow Christ that means that we hear his voice and respond in obedience out of love. If you hear Christ through another person, then respond. If we hear him speak through a tax collector or other type of undesirable human, then respond. If he speaks to your spirit, then respond. If he speaks to you through people in these forums then respond. For the voice of another we do not hear.

Yes, we hear Christ's voice. But Christ is not divided. And his voice is not weak or unsure. His voice does not disagree with the Bible. It does not speak untruth.
I agree with what you say. While people look for the miraculous, often prayers or councel can come or be heard through brothers, fellow believers.

[Cult Buster]

David  

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Yes, and in 'defending the truth' it just so happens that in this case I'm apparently defending JW's who in truth, do not tithe.  That is the truth.  You have problems with truth, don't you?  I know it would make life easier for you if we did tithe.  Life would be more simple.  But we don't.

You should.

Mal 3:8  Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Mal 3:9  Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Mal 3:10  Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

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My experience with those who are dedicated to a denomination or cult is that all they really want from you is to join that organisation.

Why not join the HeavenNet clan. They don't like being called JW's but they share the same beliefs.

Jehovah's Witnesses are themselves doctrinally confused.

LOOK!

In Revelation 1:8. I am quoting from the Jehovah's Witness’s own Bible, and it reads,

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God.

Ask the Witness, “What does Alpha and Omega mean?” They'll reply, “The beginning and the end.”

Then ask them, “How many Alphas and Omegas can you have?” They'll answer, “Only one.” They will agree that there is only one Alpha and Omega.

Then turn to Revelation 22:12-13 which says, “Look I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me….I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Ask the Jehovah’s Witnesses, “Who do you say the Alpha and Omega is?” They will say, “Jehovah.” Now take a careful look. The Alpha and Omega in verse twelve is coming quickly. Let's see who is speaking in verse twelve.

Look at verse sixteen, “I Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star.”

It is Jesus speaking in verse twelve. If there is any doubt go to verse 20 which says, “He that bears witness of these things says, 'Yes; I am coming quickly' Amen come Lord Jesus.”

So it is clear that the Alpha and the Omega in verse twelve is Jesus.

Here is a strong proof text that Jesus is God because both Jehovah and Jesus are called the Alpha and the Omega.

Another pair of verses that are effective when used together are Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 1:17-18.

Again from the JW bible.

Isaiah 44:6 says, “This is what Jehovah has said, 'The king of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, I am the first and I am the last.'”

Ask the Jehovah’s Witnesses how many firsts and lasts can you have? It's obvious to anyone you can only have one first and one last. Ask them, “Who is the first and the last?” They will say, “Jehovah.”

Now turn to Revelation 1:17-18 which says, “Do not be fearful; I am the First and the Last, and the living one; and I became dead but look! I am living forever.” Who is speaking here? Obviously, it is Jesus for He died but is now alive, and guess what? He is called the First and the Last.

Here again we see Jesus is God. And the JW's and Arians are all alike confused.
   

[charity]

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David   Quote Yes, and in 'defending the truth' it just so happens that in this case I'm apparently defending JW's who in truth, do not tithe.  That is the truth.  You have problems with truth, don't you?  I know it would make life easier for you if we did tithe.  Life would be more simple.  But we don't. You should. Mal 3:8  Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Mal 3:9  Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Mal 3:10  Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Quote My experience with those who are dedicated to a denomination or cult is that all they really want from you is to join that organisation. Why not join the HeavenNet clan. They don't like being called JW's but they share the same beliefs. Jehovah's Witnesses are themselves doctrinally confused. LOOK! In Revelation 1:8. I am quoting from the Jehovah's Witness’s own Bible, and it reads, “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God. Ask the Witness, “What does Alpha and Omega mean?” They'll reply, “The beginning and the end.” Then ask them, “How many Alphas and Omegas can you have?” They'll answer, “Only one.” They will agree that there is only one Alpha and Omega. Then turn to Revelation 22:12-13 which says, “Look I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me….I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Ask the Jehovah’s Witnesses, “Who do you say the Alpha and Omega is?” They will say, “Jehovah.” Now take a careful look. The Alpha and Omega in verse twelve is coming quickly. Let's see who is speaking in verse twelve. Look at verse sixteen, “I Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star.” It is Jesus speaking in verse twelve. If there is any doubt go to verse 20 which says, “He that bears witness of these things says, 'Yes; I am coming quickly' Amen come Lord Jesus.” So it is clear that the Alpha and the Omega in verse twelve is Jesus. Here is a strong proof text that Jesus is God because both Jehovah and Jesus are called the Alpha and the Omega. Another pair of verses that are effective when used together are Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 1:17-18. Again from the JW bible. Isaiah 44:6 says, “This is what Jehovah has said, 'The king of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, I am the first and I am the last.'” Ask the Jehovah’s Witnesses how many firsts and lasts can you have? It's obvious to anyone you can only have one first and one last. Ask them, “Who is the first and the last?” They will say, “Jehovah.” Now turn to Revelation 1:17-18 which says, “Do not be fearful; I am the First and the Last, and the living one; and I became dead but look! I am living forever.” Who is speaking here? Obviously, it is Jesus for He died but is now alive, and guess what? He is called the First and the Last. Here again we see Jesus is God. And the JW's and Arians are all alike confused.

And you think money shall open the windows of heaven?

Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that [there shall] not [be room] enough [to receive it].

Go and sell all you have then, and give to the poor and have the mind that thinks this way….without charity for a soul comforts on earth are wasted

1Cr 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profited me nothing.

Giving to each other freely is differing from a law of tithing made for the sinners to observe and guilt may consume
We have had enough of those that make a living selling eternal life to the poor and needy; of coarse many shall give under influence of deceit thinking it is a law.
Even to take money for a private jet no names, from the table of a family struggling
For the father did not know any different but wants to save his family by doing obeying

[david]

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“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God. Ask the Witness, “What does Alpha and Omega mean?” They'll reply, “The beginning and the end.”

CB, this is laughable. I'm sorry, but I have attempted to have this conversation with you. You're too busy to actually have a conversation with a JW. You're a busy guy, you said. Or scared, or something. Yet, you attempt to show others how to have one.

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So it is clear that the Alpha and the Omega in verse twelve is Jesus.

In the Alpha and Omega thread, I have shown several reasons why this is not the case. But, I realize you are not able to actually have a conversation with me on this, so your telling others who to apparently convince JW's that they are wrong is …. so many words come to mind.

You are all talk. But when someone actually tries to converse with you, you are suddenly busy, or silent, or just keep repeating the same posts ad infinitum.

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Ask the Jehovah’s Witnesses how many firsts and lasts can you have? It's obvious to anyone you can only have one first and one last.

This too I address in that thread on that subject. But obviously, you are completely wrong. Jehovah is the first and last in that he is God Almighty, king of eternity. Jesus is firstborn from the dead (actually, check those scriptures and the context and you'll note this) and he is the last to be raised to immortal life by Jehovah. from now on, he is the resurrection and the judge.

As I noted, T8 the moderator and creator of this website can be called the first and the last of this website. He created it and will be around to see it's finish. Nick, could be called the first and the last in that he is always the first to speak on any subject and always has to get the last word in.
Your reasoning is false. Logic suggests this. So does the Bible.

I say this again:

Cult Buster, if you ever want to actually follow your words and have a conversation, I would love that. But I imagine you are still too busy.
david

[Cult Buster]

David

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As I noted, T8 the moderator and creator of this website can be called the first and the last of this website.  He created it and will be around to see it's finish.  Nick, could be called the first and the last in that he is always the first to speak on any subject and always has to get the last word in.

You have a strange way of interpreting (twisting and perverting) scripture.

David

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As I noted, T8 the moderator and creator of this website can be called the first and the last of this website.  He created it and will be around to see it's finish.  Nick, could be called the first and the last in that he is always the first to speak on any subject and always has to get the last word in.

I find this a common practice with “Jehovah's Witnesses”. That is why they have their own corrupted bible version nwt; the evidence of a cult.

Their own Watchtower “bible” contradicts them.  LOOK AGAIN!

   In Revelation 1:8. I am quoting from the Jehovah's Witness’s own Bible, and it reads,

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God.

Ask the Witness, “What does Alpha and Omega mean?” They'll reply, “The beginning and the end.”

Then ask them, “How many Alphas and Omegas can you have?” They'll answer, “Only one.” They will agree that there is only one Alpha and Omega.

Then turn to Revelation 22:12-13 which says, “Look I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me….I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Ask the Jehovah’s Witnesses, “Who do you say the Alpha and Omega is?” They will say, “Jehovah.”

Now take a careful look. The Alpha and Omega in verse twelve is coming quickly. Let's see who is speaking in verse twelve.
Look at verse sixteen,

“I Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star.”

It is Jesus speaking in verse twelve. If there is any doubt go to verse 20 which says, “He that bears witness of these things says, 'Yes; I am coming quickly' Amen come Lord Jesus.”

So it is clear that the Alpha and the Omega in verse twelve is Jesus.

Here is a strong proof text that Jesus is God because both Jehovah and Jesus are called the Alpha and the Omega.

Another pair of verses that are effective when used together are Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 1:17-18.

Isaiah 44:6 says, “This is what Jehovah has said, 'The king of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, I am the first and I am the last.'”

Ask the Jehovah’s Witnesses how many firsts and lasts can you have? It's obvious to anyone you can only have one first and one last.

Ask them, “Who is the first and the last?” They will say, “Jehovah.”

Now turn to Revelation 1:17-18 which says,

“Do not be fearful; I am the First and the Last, and the living one; and I became dead but look! I am living forever.”

Who is speaking here? Obviously, it is Jesus for He died but is now alive, and guess what? He is called the First and the Last.

Here again we see Jesus is God and the Jehovah's Witness church is in confusion once again.

[Cult Buster]

Charity

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Giving to each other freely is differing from a law of tithing made for the sinners to observe and guilt may consume We have had enough of those that make a living selling eternal life to the poor and needy; of coarse many shall give under influence of deceit thinking it is a law. Even to take money for a private jet no names, from the table of a family struggling For the father did not know any different but wants to save his family by doing obeying

Charity, how do you interpret the following.

Mal 3:8  Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Mal 3:9  Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Mal 3:10  Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

[david]

Cult Buster,

It is the definition of irony that you, who are completely unable to converse with JW's are attempting to explain how to do so.

If you can have a conversation with a JW, I'd like to see it.

If not, your words are empty.

[Cult Buster]

David

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Cult Buster, It is the definition of irony that you, who are completely unable to converse with JW's are attempting to explain how to do so.

David.

This is some of the rubbish you come out with when you have no answer to scripture. Didn't you read my postings to you on this and other pages?

Can you now understand why folk regard the Jehovah's Witness church as a cult? Your response to scripture is typical Watchtower side stepping tactics.

Just look at what you posted!

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As I noted, T8 the moderator and creator of this website can be called the first and the last of this website.  He created it and will be around to see it's finish.  Nick, could be called the first and the last in that he is always the first to speak on any subject and always has to get the last word in.

It's complete  and utter rubbish! Who are you going to convert to the Watchtower with this sort of stuff??

[Cult Buster]

         Jesus (Jehovah) The Alpha & The Omega (The First & The Last).

“Behold, He comes with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierced Him will see Him, and all the kindreds of the earth will wail because of Him. Even so, Amen. I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the Ending, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
(Rev 1:7-8)

“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the Ending,
the First and the Last.”

 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify these things to you over the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright and Morning Star.”
(Rev 22:13 & 16)

The Book of Revelation, which is the Testimony of Jesus Christ, identifies Jesus as the The Alpha & The Omega (The First & The Last). It further identifies Him as The Almighty. Further testimony by Jesus, showing that the title, The First & The Last belongs to Him is found in:

” And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying to me, Do not fear, I am the First and the Last, and the Living One, and I became dead, and behold, I am alive for ever and ever, Amen. And I have the keys of hell and of death.”
(Rev 1:17-18)

“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The First and the Last, who became dead and lived, says these things:”
(Rev 2:8)

It is Jesus Christ, Himself, who became dead and lived, who reveals that He is the First & the Last of Holy Scripture.

Since the Bible is one continual work stretching from Genesis to Revelation, it is clear that this title belongs to Jesus, and no other. There can only be One who is the First and one who is the Last .
 

We also find the following statements concerning the First & the Last in the Holy Bible:

– – “Who has planned and done it, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, Jehovah, am the first and the last; I am He.”
(Isa 41:4)

“So says Jehovah, the King of Israel, and His redeemer Jehovah of Hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besides Me there is no God.”
(Isa 44:6)

“Listen to me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I am He; I am the first, I also am the last. My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together.”
(Isa 48:12-13)
 

Isaiah, inspired by God, calls the First & the Last, Jehovah, Jehovah of Hosts, the Redeemer, and God (meaning the God of Israel). This further biblical evidence provide overwhelming Testimony from Holy Scripture that Jesus (Jehovah) is indeed God Almighty & Eternal.

  Here is overwhelming evidence from the Holy Bible that Jesus Christ The Almighty God is the eternal Jehovah, The Alpha & The Omega, The First & The Last, The Beginning and the Ending.      

Question: Are the Jehovah's Witnesses a scripturally sound church?

Answer:   No!

[david]

Notice the above post in no way proves anything. If I does, I'd love to know where.

ALPHA AND OMEGA

THE BOOK OF REVELATION
REVELATION 1:1-2
“A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John, who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, even to all the things he saw.”

As a side observation, this revelation was presented in signs and is given to show God’s “slaves” and not the world in general, the things that must take place. Much like Jesus illustrations, unreceptive hearts would not get the meaning, or have understanding. (Mat 13:10-15)
When looking at this symbolic book, we should remember this:
Revelation 1:1 explains that the revelation was given by GOD through JESUS CHRIST, and therefore the one speaking, through an ANGELIC REPRESENTATIVE at times is God himself, and at other times it’s Jesus Christ. And sometimes JOHN himself is speaking.
Hence, it is reasonable to expect the words of Jehovah God the Almighty to be quoted in the account, along with Jesus’ words, and John’s (and even the angel’s words, who transmitted the message.)
And in my opinion, they all seem to introduce themselves at the beginning or introductory words are mentioned in connection with them, and they all are mentioned at the closing of Revelation.

REVELATION 1:4
“John to the seven congregations that are in the [district of] Asia: May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from “The One who is and who was and who is coming,” and from the seven spirits that are before his throne,”
(Compare 2 Cor 13:14, where a similar greeting is given)

REVELATION 1:8
“The Lord God says, ‘I am the Alpha and the Omega, the One who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty!’” (The New American Bible)
While Jesus Christ is referred to in the previous verse as “coming with the clouds,” the words of Revelation 1:8 indicate that it is “the Lord God,” “the Almighty” who is speaking. In the Scriptures, only the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ is spoken of as “the Lord God” and as the “Almighty.”
Burden of proof: If we have a phrase or a title that is over and over again, repeatedly applied specifically to a certain one and we don’t find this word used in connection with anyone else by name, and we come across another instance of that word or phrase where it is uncertain who is being spoken of, it would have to be proved that this case is different from the majority and not the other way around.
“ALMIGHTY”:
Shaddai (Heb. “Almighty”) and Pantokrator (Gk. “Almighty”) are repeatedly used with reference to Jehovah, the Father. (Ex 6:3; 2 Cor 6:18; Rev 19:6, Rev 4:8, etc) Neither of these expressions are ever applied to “Jesus” or “Christ.” Yet, the word “almighty” is applied to Jehovah 42 other times, from the very first occurrence of that word to the very last occurrence:
GENESIS 17:1
“When Abram got to be ninety-nine years old, then Jehovah appeared to Abram and said to him: “I am God Almighty. Walk before me and prove yourself faultless.”
REVELATION 21:22 (King James Version)
“And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty AND Lamb ARE the temple of it.” (It’s clear in this verse that the Lamb, [Jesus] is distinguished and separate from the “Almighty” here. Both of them “are” spoken of. It does not say that the Almighty and Jesus “is,” but uses the plural: “are.”)
Since “Jehovah” is specifically and without question called “God” a thousand times in scripture, and many more without the actual use of his name, the “burden of proof” clearly rests on anyone who wants to prove that the words “God Almighty” refers to anyone but Jehovah.
(See the “*” in the section below entitled: “Can two different beings be called the same thing or be explained with the same words?”)
“LORD GOD”:
The expression “Lord God” occurs in many Bibles roughly 80 times. It never occurs with reference to the name “Jesus.” In fact, in the original languages, the expression found about 80 times is “Jehovah [or “Yahweh”] God.” The substitution of the word “Lord” and the removal of God’s name without question has confused many as to who this one is. The words “Lord God” never occur with reference to “Jesus,” although it does occur about 80 times with reference to Jesus’ Father, Jehovah.
Since the words “Lord God” are definitely used with reference to Jehovah many times and nowhere specifically clearly used with reference to “Jesus,” the burden of proof rests on those who wish to prove that this scripture refers to anyone other than Jehovah.
“THE ONE WHO IS AND WHO WAS AND WHO IS TO COME”
As well, this verse (1:8) is speaking of “the One who is and who was and who is to come.” Just a couple verses before, at Revelation 1:5, we see greetings are given from the one “who is, and who was, and who is to come,” “and from Jesus Christ.” (NIV)
In verse 5 it’s obvious that the one “who is, and who was, and who is to come” is not Jesus Christ, because greetings are given from him “AND from Jesus Christ. So, when the phrase “the one who is and who was and who is to come” occurs 3 verses later, it would seem that this again establishes that we are speaking of someone other than Jesus. Or at the very least, it’s not at all clear that it’s speaking of Jesus.
Moreover, in the very next verse, the apostle John, says: “I . . . came to be in the isle that is called Patmos for speaking about God and bearing witness to Jesus.” (Rev. 1:9) So John understood God to be separate and distinct from Jesus.
Also, compare Revelation 4:8 where it says: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.” (NIV) We notice the phrase “holy, holy, holy” occurs only one other time in the Bible at Isaiah 6:3, and there it is referring to “Jehovah.” (Also compare Rev 11:17)

On this point and others, not the following:
“Verse 8. I am Alpha and Omega. These are the first and the last letters of the Greek alphabet, and denote properly the first and the last. So in Revelation 22:13, when the two expressions are united, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” So in Revelation 1:17, the speaker says of himself, “I am the first and the last.” Among the Jewish Rabbins, it was common to use the first and the last letters of the Hebrew alphabet to denote the whole of anything, from beginning to end. Thus it is said, “Adam transgressed the whole law from \^HEBREW\^ to \^HEBREW\^”–from Aleph to Tav. “Abraham kept the whole law from \^HEBREW\^ to \^HEBREW\^.” The language here is that which would properly denote eternity in the being to whom it is applied, and could be used in reference to no one but the true God. It means that he is the beginning and the end of all things; that he was at the commencement, and will be at the close; and it is thus equivalent to saying that he has always existed, and that he will always exist. Compare Isaiah 41:4, “I the Lord, the first, and with the last;'– Isaiah 44:6, “I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God;”–Isaiah 48:12, “I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.” There can be no doubt that the language here would be naturally understood as implying divinity, and it could be properly applied to no one but the true God. The obvious interpretation here would be to apply this to the Lord Jesus; for
(a) it is he who is spoken of in the verses preceding, and
(b) there can be no doubt that the same language is applied to him in Revelation 1:11.
As there is, however, a difference of reading in this place in the Greek text, and as it cannot be absolutely certain that the writer meant to refer to t
he Lord Jesus specifically here, this cannot be adduced with propriety as a proof-text to demonstrate his divinity. Many MSS., instead of “Lord,” \~kuriov\~, read “God,” \~yeov\~; and this reading is adopted by Griesbach, Tittman, and Hahn, and is now regarded as the correct reading. There is no real incongruity in supposing, also, that the writer here meant to refer to God as such, since the introduction of a reference to him would not be inappropriate to his manifest design. Besides, a portion of the language here used, “which is, and was, and is to come,” is that which would more naturally suggest a reference to God as such, than to the Lord Jesus Christ. See Revelation 1:4. The object for which this passage referring to the “first and the last–to him who was, and is, and is to come,” is introduced here evidently is, to show that as he was clothed with omnipotence, and would continue to exist through all ages to come as he had existed in all ages past, there could be no doubt about his ability to execute all which it is said he would execute. Saith the Lord. Or, saith God, according to what is now regarded as the correct reading. Which is, and which was, etc. See Barnes “Revelation 1:4”. The Almighty. An appellation often applied to God, meaning that he has all power, and used here to denote that he is able to accomplish what is disclosed in this book.” )–Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament (1974)
One place this can be found is here: http://www.studylight.org/com/bnn/view.cgi?book=re&chapter=001

REVELATION 1:11
The phrase “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last” found in the King James Bible and a few others, is not found in some of the oldest Greek manuscripts, such as the Alexandrine, Sinaitic, and Codex Ephraemi rescriptus.
As far as I can tell, most modern versions of the Bible don’t include the phrase “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last” in Revelation 1:11.
Here is a list of some Bibles that don’t have those words:

New International Version (and UK version)
American Standard Version
New American Standard Version
The Message Version
New Living Translation
English Standard Version
New English
Basic English Bible
American Standard Version
Darby Translations
Holman Christian Standard Bible
New International Reader’s Version
Worldwide English (New Testament)
Today’s New International Version
Contemporary English Version
New World Translation
Jerusalem Bible
New American Bible
Douay-Rheims Bible (and Challenor’s)
Weymouth NT

It also doesn’t occur in some of the older Bibles. The Latin Vulgate of Jerome, for example.
The words in question are found in the King James Versions, the Webster Bible, and the Young Literal Translation, and I’m sure there must be others, but I only checked the 25 that were the easiest to find for myself.
I believe that the words: “Alpha and Omega, the first and the last” found in the King James Version is at the least, very questionable.

REVELATION 1:17-18
“And when I saw him [referring to Jesus], I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand upon me and said: “Do not be fearful. I am the First [“First,” א?VgSyh; A, “Firstborn.”] and the Last, and the living one; and I became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Hádes.”

In what way does the Bible demonstrate that Jesus is the “first”?

REVELATION 1:5
“and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “The FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD,”. . . “
ACTS 26:23
“that the Christ was to suffer and, as the FIRST TO BE RESURRECTED FROM THE DEAD, . . .”“
(Obviously, he wasn't the first to be resurrected from the dead, so this must be referring to him being the first to be resurrected in a specific way. Jesus was the first to be resurrected of those who would not have to die again. Also, he was the first to be raised as a spirit person. (1 Peter 3:18)
COLOSSIANS 1:18
“and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the BEGINNING, THE FIRSTBORN FROM THE DEAD, that he might become the one who is FIRST in all things;”
So, we could guess that Jesus being the “first” means that he is God Almighty, but it doesn't say this. We do know 2 things:
1. He is described, even in the same chapter of revelation (1:5), as being the first in that we was the first to be resurrected to immortal spirit life. (Col 1:18)
2. The statement in question continues to say that he is the living one who “became dead, but, look! I am living forever and ever.”
I believe that based on the context and these other scriptures, and with no direct evidence to the contrary, we have to believe that Jesus is the first in this respect.
How is he the “last”?
That too is covered in the rest of the statement. It says that he had been given the keys of death and of hades. Jesus was the “last” to be resurrected by Jehovah personally.
JOHN 5:21
“For just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive, so the Son also makes those alive whom he wants to.”
JOHN 6:40
“For this is the will of my Father, that everyone that beholds the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him at the last day.””
REVELATION 2:8
““And to the angel of the congregation in Smyr?na write: These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ WHO BECAME DEAD AND CAME TO LIFE [again],” (Again, notice that with reference to Jesus, how these words are connected to Jesus death and resurrection.)
JOHN 11:25
“Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. He that exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life;”
It seems that Jehovah resurrected Jesus and that Jehovah has entrusted power of judging to Jesus, the power to resurrect. (Dan 7:13,14; 2 Tim 4:1,2) Jesus said: “I will resurrect him on the last day” and “I am the ressurection and the life…”
As Revelation 1:17,18 says, Jesus now has the keys of death and hades.
So I believe he was the “last” to be resurrected by Jehovah, the responsibility of resurrecting now being given to Jesus. For all others of humanity, Jesus himself is “the resurrection and the life.” (John 11:25)
This explanation looks at the words and ideas surrounding the actual phrase “first and the last” and it also looks at other scriptures that speak of Jesus being the first. (Compare Rev. 2:8) It is not based on the idea that I want something to be true. This is what the Bible says. And as far as I can tell, it carries much stronger evidence.

BUT JEHOVAH IS ALSO CALLED “THE FIRST AND THE LAST”
Can two different beings be called the same thing or be explained with the same words?

“The Greek word a·pósto·los is derived from the common verb a·po·steĺlo, meaning simply “send forth (or off).” (Mt 10:5; Mr 11:3) Its basic sense is clearly illustrated in Jesus’ statement: “A slave is not greater than his master, nor is one that is sent forth [a·pósto·los] greater than the one that sent him.” (Joh 13:16) In this sense the word also applies to Christ Jesus as “the apostle and high priest whom we confess.” (Heb 3:1; compare Mt 10:40; 15:24; Lu 4:18, 43; 9:48; 10:16; Joh 3:17; 5:36, 38; 6:29, 57; 7:29; 8:42; 10:36; 11:42; 17:3, 8, 18, 21-25; 20:21.) Jesus was sent forth by God as his appointed and commissioned representative.”–Insight, Vol 1, page 127.
Jesus is called apostle. Jesus apostles are called apostles. This does not mean they are the same being. Yet the word applies to both. What does it prove? It proves that those words can apply to both–not that they are the same person.
Similarly, Jesus is the first and last in certain respects, as the Bible itself plainly says. (See scriptures quoted above) And Jehovah is the first and last in that he is king of eternity a
nd Creator.
ILLUSTRATION:
As I’ve said before, the moderator of this board was probably the first to post and will be the last to post. Nick, another moderator can be spoken of as the first to comment on any specific topic and will be the last to have his word in. Nick is the first and last, in that he comments a lot. T8 is the first and last in that he has been here before and after everyone. They are in no way the same person, are they? We could say: ‘T8, the Super Administrator, the first and the last,’ and then apply that first and last to the fact that he is the super administrator and will always be here and always has. But this in no way prevents those words “first” and “last” from being applied to Nick in some other special way.
*It’s important that you not misunderstand what I’m saying here: I’m saying words CAN apply to more then one person (without them being the same person). I’m not saying words can’t be applied to more than one. You can’t say to me: ‘You say that the word “Almighty” CAN’T apply to more than one person, yet here you say that this phrase (first and last) can apply to more than one.’ No. I’m not saying that a word “can’t” apply to more than one. I’m saying that in the case of the word “almighty” it “doesn’t.” I’m saying this is what the Bible shows in that case. I don’t believe that it, a word, in itself “can” only apply to one person. I believe that scripture clearly shows that this word “Almighty” is only ever used with reference to Jehovah and is done so repeatedly, from beginning to end, from the first to the last. I’m not saying it’s impossible for a word to be applied to more than one. I’m saying, with the case of the word “Almighty” for example, the evidence doesn’t suggest this.

This scripture comes up a lot. Let’s look at it:
ISAIAH 44:6
““This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, ‘I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.”

In the original Hebrew at Isaiah 44:6, there is no definite article with the words “first” and “last,” whereas in Jesus’ description of himself in the original Greek at Revelation 1:17, the definite article is found. So, grammatically, Revelation 1:17 indicates a title, whereas Isaiah 44:6 describes Jehovah’s Godship.
When Jesus is presented by the title: “the First and the Last,” this doesn't in any way prove he is claiming equality with Jehovah or that he is Jehovah. He is using a title properly given him by God.
In Isaiah, Jehovah was making a statement about His unique position as the true God. He is God eternal, and besides him there is indeed no God. (1 Timothy 1:17) In Revelation, Jesus is talking about his bestowed title, calling attention to his unique resurrection.
Look at this verse again.
Imagine someone, the largest person on the planet said this true statement:
‘I am tall and wide and besides me no one weighs more.’
That does not mean that someone else can't be described as tall and wide.
WHAT IT DOES MEAN is that no one else can be described as weighing more.
How can we understand the expression: Besides me there is no God?
We know that the Bible uses the word God with reference to other mighty ones, angels, human judges of Israel, etc. Angels are not false gods.
Look at the scripture. Jehovah is the first and the last. There was no one before him and He will exist forever. He is described as the king of eternity in the Bible. In this sense, no one can be compared to him.

REVELATION 21:6-7
“And he said to me: “They have come to pass! I am the Aĺpha and the O·méga, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free. Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.”

Who is the speaker? Notice verse 7. Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons.” The speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.
MATTHEW 25:40
“And in reply the king will say to them, ‘Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did it to one of the least of these my brothers, YOU did it to me.’” (Compare Mat 12:50)
HEBREWS 2:10-12
“For it was fitting for the one for whose sake all things are and through whom all things are, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the Chief Agent of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he who is sanctifying and those who are being sanctified all [stem] from one, and for this cause he is not ashamed to call them “brothers,” as he says: “I will declare your name to my brothers; in the middle of [the] congregation I will praise you with song.””
It is true that Jesus, because of being God’s chief agent of life, is referred to as Eternal Father at Isaiah 9:6. Looking at the Bible, we see that anyone who has followers, or those who exhibit his qualities, is regarded as a father to them. (Mt 5:44, 45; Ro 4:11, 12) In this sense the Devil is spoken of as a father. (Joh 8:44) But of course, “Father” is applied to Jehovah God numerous times.
Looking back at Rev 21:6,7, it indicates that Christians who are spiritual conquerors are to be ‘sons’ of the one known as the Alpha and the Omega. That is never said of the relationship of spirit-anointed Christians to Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke of them as his ‘brothers.’ But those ‘brothers’ of Jesus are referred to as “sons of God.” (Gal. 3:26; 4:6)
So this would seem to contradict other parts of the Bible, if it was taken that Jesus was the Alpha and Omega here.
As well, we have the phrase: “To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free.”
While Jesus spoke of giving such water (John 4:14; 6:35) Jehovah is spoken of as being the “source of living water.” (Jer 2:13; Ps 36:9)

REVELATION 22:12 (TODAY’S ENGLISH VERSION)
It's clear that some Bibles want this to be Jesus. At Revelation 22:12, TEV inserts the name Jesus, so the reference to Alpha and Omega in verse 13 is made to appear to apply to him. But the name Jesus does not appear there in Greek, and other translations do not include it.

REVELATION 22:12-13
““‘Look! I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. I am the Aĺpha and the O·méga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
It is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation.
–in verses 8 we have John talking.
–In verse 9, we have the angel speaking to John.
–verse 16 obviously applies to “Jesus,”
–the first part of verse 17 is credited to “the spirit and the bride,”
–and the one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself.
“The Alpha and the Omega” of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences.
As I said before:
“The expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God also speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment. (Compare Isa 26:21) Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Jehovah and his “messenger of the covenant.””
Of course, the coming judgment will be expressed by Jehovah God through his Son, for the apostle also says: “This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind.” (Rom. 2:5-10,16)
REVELATION 4:8
“And as for the four living creatures, each one of them respectively has six wings; round about and underneath they are full of eyes. And they have no rest day and night as they say: “Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah God, the Almighty, who was and who is and who is coming.””
REVELATION 1:4-5
“John to the seven congregations that are in the [dis
trict of] Asia: May YOU have undeserved kindness and peace from “The One who is and who was and who is coming,” and from the seven spirits that are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “The firstborn from the dead,” and “The Ruler of the kings of the earth.””

[Cult Buster]

” And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying to me, Do not fear, I am the First and the Last, and the Living One, and I became dead, and behold, I am alive for ever and ever, Amen. And I have the keys of hell and of death.”
(Rev 1:17-18)

“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: The First and the Last, who became dead and lived, , says these things:”
(Rev 2:8)

David. These verses are obviously identifying  Jesus as the First and Last. It can only be Jesus for He died but is now alive.

These verses can be found within the list of Bibles mentioned in your post.

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Rev 22:16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

It is obvious that Jesus is speaking and is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last and these verses can be found within the list of Bibles in your post..

In fact your own Jehovah's Witness nwt translation identifies Jesus as Jehovah.   LOOK AGAIN!

In Revelation 1:8. I am quoting from the Jehovah's Witness’s own Bible, and it reads,

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says Jehovah God.

Ask the Witness, “What does Alpha and Omega mean?” They'll reply, “The beginning and the end.”

Then ask them, “How many Alphas and Omegas can you have?” They'll answer, “Only one.” They will agree that there is only one Alpha and Omega.

Then turn to Revelation 22:12-13 which says, “Look I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me….I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Ask the Jehovah’s Witnesses, “Who do you say the Alpha and Omega is?” They will say, “Jehovah.”

Now take a careful look. The Alpha and Omega in verse twelve is coming quickly. Let's see who is speaking in verse twelve.
Look at verse sixteen,

“I Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you people of these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star.”

It is Jesus speaking in verse twelve. If there is any doubt go to verse 20 which says, “He that bears witness of these things says, 'Yes; I am coming quickly' Amen come Lord Jesus.”

So it is clear that the Alpha and the Omega in verse twelve is Jesus.

Here is a strong proof text that Jesus is God because both Jehovah and Jesus are called the Alpha and the Omega.

Another pair of verses that are effective when used together are Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 1:17-18.

Isaiah 44:6 says, “This is what Jehovah has said, 'The king of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, I am the first and I am the last.'”

Ask the Jehovah’s Witnesses how many firsts and lasts can you have? It's obvious to anyone you can only have one first and one last.

Ask them, “Who is the first and the last?” They will say, “Jehovah.”

Now turn to Revelation 1:17-18 which says,

“Do not be fearful; I am the First and the Last, and the living one; and I became dead but look! I am living forever.”

Who is speaking here? Obviously, it is Jesus for He died but is now alive, and guess what? He is called the First and the Last.

David:  Here again we see Jesus is Jehovah God  and your own JW's Watchtower Bible contradicts the teachings of your  church.

I will scrutinise your last posting some more.

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