Jehovah's Witness Church

[rejoycesing]

I have been looking for a church. Is this a scripturally sound church or should I stay away? I dont like that they believe that all other people and churches not associated with them are not christians.

[david]

2 TIMOTHY 3:1,2 ,5
“But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be . . . having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.”

Do Jehovah's Witnesses have a form of godly devotion [yes] but do they prove false to it's power?
I believe this scripture answers both your points. On the second point, that of them not associating with just anyone, what does this scripture say to do? It says to turn away from such ones.

Obviously, not everyone claiming to be a Christian is really a Chrisitan:
MATTHEW 7:21-23
““Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?’ And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness.”

So since many who seem to be Christians or think they are following Christ, really aren't, we must use discernment in choosing who we associate with.

1 CORINTHIANS 15:33
“Do not be misled. Bad associations spoil useful habits.”

Those words: “Do not be misled,” seem to imply that people would think they could associate with bad associates and come out unaffected. They are misleading themselves.

It is not wrong to associate with those who aren't Christians, especially if we are trying to preach to them.
MATTHEW 24:14
“And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”

But becoming close friends with people of the world is condemned in the Bible.
JAMES 4:4
“….do YOU not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.”
We would not want to be an enemy of God, so we should make certain that we are not becoming friends with the world or worldly people. Does that make senses? After all, Satan is described as the “ruler of the world,” so it is under his influence. We must nut be misled. Bad associations does spoil useful habits.

The Bible seems to indicate that Christ's followers would be a true international brotherhood. It speaks of the 'whole association of brothers in the world.' (peter)
The word's “brotherhood” and “association” do not seem to fit their beliefs. As well, Jesus followers would be United in obeying this commision to preach the good news all over the world. Such a mission involves great organization:
MATTHEW 24:14
“And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”

Really, I believe they are the only ones fullfilling this commision.

As well, they are united in love.
I found this quote about them in one of our older Encylopedias:
The Encyclopedia Canadiana (Under Jehovah’s Witnesses), second paragraph:
“The work of Jehovah's Witnesses is the revival and re-establishment of the primitive Christianity practiced by Jesus and his disciples during the first and second centuries of our era. Their services are kept simple. They have no ornate buildings or clerical vestments, no divisions of members into clergy and laity. All are brothers, and every one baptized is under obligation to be a minister.” (Toronto : Grolier of Canada, c1957-80. Vol 6)

Of course, they are not well liked. In fact, for the most part hated and slandered. But then again, Christ and his followers would be, wouldn't they?

As for “looking for a church”
You will find that about 80% on here don't think that you should really be associated with any group. They feel that Christ's followers are to be found in the world, in various religions, all over. I disagree. Here's why:

Heb. 10:24, 25: “Let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as you behold the day drawing near.”
(To carry out this Scriptural command, there must be Christian meetings that we can attend on a consistent basis. Such an arrangement encourages us to express love toward others, not only concern about self. To where would a person direct interested ones so they could obey this command if there were no organization with regular meetings where they could gather?)

1 Cor. 1:10: “Now I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.”
(Such unity would never be achieved if the individuals did not meet together, benefit from the same spiritual feeding program, and respect the agency through which such instruction was provided. See also John 17:20, 21.)

1 Pet. 2:17: “Have love for the whole association of brothers.”
(Does that include only those who may meet together for worship in a particular private home? Not at all; it is an international brotherhood, as shown by Galatians 2:8, 9 and 1 Corinthians 16:19.)

1 Pet. 2:9, 17: “But you are ‘a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies’ of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. . . . Have love for the whole association of brothers.” (An association of people whose efforts are directed to accomplish a particular work is an organization.)

Matt. 24:14; 28:19,20: “This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.” “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them . . . teaching them.”
(For all nations to be given the opportunity to hear that good news, the preaching must be carried out in an orderly way, with suitable oversight. How would this be accomplished without organization? When Jesus trained his early disciples for this work, He did not simply tell each one to go wherever he desired and to share his faith in whatever way he chose. He trained them, gave them instructions and sent them out in an organized manner. See Luke 8:1; 9:1-6; 10:1-16.)

1 Cor. 14:33, 40: “God is a God, not of disorder, but of peace. . . . Let all things take place decently and by arrangement.” (The apostle Paul is here discussing orderly procedure at congregation meetings. Applying this inspired counsel requires respect for organization.)

Are those who are faithful servants of God simply individuals who are scattered in the various churches of Christendom?

2 Cor. 6:15-18: “What portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? . . . ‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’; ‘and I will take you in.’ ‘And I shall be a father to you, and you will be sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah the Almighty.”
(Is a person really a faithful servant of God if he continues to share in worship with those who show by their way of life that they really are unbelievers?)

1 Cor. 1:10: “Now I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.”
(Such unity does not exist among the varied churches of Christendom.)

John 10:16: “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they w
ill become one flock, one shepherd.”
(Since Jesus would bring such ones into “one flock,” is it not obvious that they could not be scattered in Christendom’s religions?)

I hope this helps.

david

[rejoycesing]

Thanks David, what you are saying appears to be proved out in observing the churches today. Many of the churches of various names are more social organizations than anything. People who are truly hurting will find no place in those organizations. The mega church is about growth and numbers of members; teaching is geared toward motivational topics to inspire personal acheivement; and the tithe is preached to prosper the church leadership and build more buildings. I understand why most people on this site, if that is so, believe as I do that God has His people everywhere. Jehovah calls us to (2 Cor. 6:15-18) come out of her.. So this would appear to mean that His people is among them. Jehovah's Witnesses do not appear to recognize this. So all of God's people that are coming out of her (false churches) should be sought out by the Witnesses. Prehaps that is what they are doing, trying to get the wheat pulled out safely from among the tares. Well thank you for the help. It more than answers my questions and I have sent my name through the website to have someone from the JW come out and study with me. I have already studied every doctrine and the church thoroughly. Also the fact that so many speak so negatively about the JWs is a reason to believe that they may be right. I have had people vehemently oppose them when I mentioned my study of the JWs and usually what they believe about them is wrong. Just as I believed that they did not believe in Jesus Christ. I confronted two witnesses at my door one time that ask if they could pray with me. It was though God had sent them. I did not know a soul in the church I was going to that I could ask to pray with me. I didnt know what to say. I just told them that I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. They said they did too. I was shocked but I will never forget the pain and hurt I saw in their eyes, I will never forget it. I have had two other incidence which I am coming more and more to understand that God is answering my prayer about placing me in the right church. I agree that we should not forsake assembling ourselves with other believers. I have been a mega church member and there is very little fellowship there. So I have rather not go for the 10 min sermon which takes and hour to file in for and file out afterward.

However you could answer one more questions. Why do they have to have their own bible translation? I checked every thing from my NKJV bible and original translations to confirm scripture references in the study topics that I found on their site. I found no conflicts in what their bible translation said but this still concerns me. Do you know why they have their own translation?

[NickHassan]

Hi R,
Welcome.
Check out their teachings is my advice, and if you love the truth you will find them dangerously unsound.
We show our love for God and His Son by abiding in the Scriptures.
They do not abide in the scriptures.

[NickHassan]

ps,
Like all traditions they do not seek to correct what is false but use scriptural distortions to rationalise and justify what they teach.

[rejoycesing]

Nick, can you give me just a few of the dangerously unsound doctrine. I am reading a lot so if you give me some idea which doctrine it will help to me to look closer. Also I am trying to understand the significance of 1914 and I think it is presumptuous to assume that possibly Jesus may have been the Arch Angel Michael. Also they do appear to rationalise and justify what they teach. However, there will be no perfect church but I believe over the years I could see evidence that changes have been made which they have been greatly criticized for instead of praised for realizing that a teaching was wrong and needed to be changed.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
I will bring up threads on the matter.

[david]

Hi Rejoycesing,

You stated:

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Also the fact that so many speak so negatively about the JWs is a reason to believe that they may be right. I have had people vehemently oppose them when I mentioned my study of the JWs and usually what they believe about them is wrong.

Then Nick, who perhaps didn't read through what you said, stated:

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“you will find them dangerously unsound. . . . They do not abide in the scriptures. . . . Like all traditions they do not seek to correct what is false but use scriptural distortions to rationalise and justify what they teach.”

As you said, Rejoycing, “usually what people believe about them is wrong.”

Are you from the U.S.?
“The principal victims of religious persecution in the United States in the twentieth century were the Jehovah’s Witnesses,” says the book The Court and the Constitution, by Archibald Cox (1987).

Rejoycing, you also said:

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Also they do appear to rationalise and justify what they teach. However, there will be no perfect church but I believe over the years I could see evidence that changes have been made which they have been greatly criticized for instead of praised for realizing that a teaching was wrong and needed to be changed.

As far as justifying what we teach, is not this better than to just say: “This is the truth. Believe it.” What was Paul's custom?

ACTS 17:2-3
“So according to Paul’s custom he went inside to them, and . . . he REASONED WITH THEM FROM THE SCRIPTURES, EXPLAINING AND PROVING BY REFERENCES that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead….”

As for the second thing, in that above quote, when Nick, the administrator disagrees with me, (on the topic of Jonah, for example,) and realizes that he was wrong and Jonah was not dead while he was in the fish, and Nick says: “I learn,” he looks at that as proof that he has an open mind. Jehovah's Witnesses have similarly “learned” that some of their beliefs were wrong in the past and made changes. They have shed traditions and babylonian customs and beliefs.

PROVERBS 4:18
“But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established.”

Rejoycesing, As for Jesus being Michael THE Archangel, here is how we 'reason with people from the scriptures:'

(I do not wish to discuss this here as it has been discussed in another one of the JW threads and has been discussed in it's own thread. I simply state the following for those who may not be familiar with this forum and want to know how we reason on this subject. If any want to comment on it, I believe it has it's own thread and has been discussed in other threads:)

WHO IS MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL?
The spirit creature called Michael is not mentioned often in the Bible. However, when he is referred to, he is in action. In the book of Daniel, Michael is battling wicked angels; in the letter of Jude, he is disputing with Satan; and in Revelation, he is waging war with the Devil and his demons. By defending Jehovah’s rulership and fighting God’s enemies, Michael lives up to the meaning of his name–“Who is Like God?”
He is referred to as “the great prince who has charge of your [Daniel’s] people,” and as “the archangel.” (Dan. 10:13; 12:1; Jude 9, RS)
At times, individuals are known by more than one name. For example, the patriarch Jacob is also known as Israel, and the apostle Peter, as Simon (Gen 49:1,2; Mat 10:2) Likewise, the Bible indicates that Michael is another name for Jesus Christ, before and after his life on earth. There is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus. There are 5 or so points that all strongly imply it however.

JESUS CALLS OUT WITH AN ARCHANGELS VOICE.
1 THESSALONIANS 4:16
“because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.”
At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (RS), the command of Jesus Christ for the resurrection to begin is described as “the archangel’s call,” and Jude 9 says that the archangel is Michael.
It is reasonable to conclude that only an archangel would call “with an archangel’s voice.” Would it be appropriate to liken Jesus’ commanding call to that of someone lesser in authority?
For example, a king is above a noble. If you have a king, someone in great power and he calls out something of importance, you wouldn’t say: ‘He called out with a nobles voice,’ unless the King was a also a noble. If the king wasn’t a noble, you would say: He called out with the voice of a king. To say he called out with a nobles voice would be to diminish him, UNLESS HE WAS BOTH A NOBLE AND A KING.
It is only logical, therefore, that the voice expressing this commanding call be described by a word that would not diminish or detract from the great authority that Christ Jesus now has as King of kings and Lord of lords. (Mt 28:18; Re 17:14)
If the designation “archangel” applied, not to Jesus Christ, but to other angels, then the reference to “an archangel’s voice” would not be appropriate. In that case it would be describing a voice of lesser authority than that of the Son of God.
Reasonably, then, the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ.

“ARCHANGEL” IS NEVER FOUND IN PLURAL IN SCRIPTURE.
Interestingly, the expression “archangel” is only found in the singular, never in the plural in the Scriptures, thus implying that there is only one. Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that Jehovah God has delegated to one, and only one, of his heavenly creatures full authority over all other angels.
(Adding to this, I would like to say that Nick and perhaps others on here like to use the phrase: “Archangels” or speak of them in plural. The Bible never does this. Perhaps they are taking this belief from the The book of Enoch, a non-biblical book, which while it may be useful for historical purposes, also seems to contain falsehood and is not part of the inspired Word of God.)

WHO TAKES ACTION AGAINST SATAN, “RULER OF THIS WORLD”?
Revelation 12:7-12 says that Michael and his angels would war against Satan and hurl him and his wicked angels out of heaven in connection with the conferring of kingly authority on Christ. Jesus is later depicted as leading the armies of heaven in war against the nations of the world. (Rev. 19:11-16)
Is it not reasonable that Jesus would also be the one to take action against the one he described as “ruler of this world,” Satan the Devil? (John 12:31)
Daniel 12:1 (RS) associates the ‘standing up of Michael’ to act with authority with “a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time.” That would certainly fit the experience of the nations when Christ as heavenly executioner takes action against them.
So the evidence indicates that the Son of God was known as Michael before he came to earth and is known also by that name since his return to heaven where he resides as the glorified spirit Son of God.

WHO ELSE IS SPOKEN OF AS HAVING ANGELS UNDER SUBJECTION?
Aside from the Creator himself, only one faithful person is spoken of as having angels under subjection—namely, Jesus Chr
ist. (Matthew 13:41; 16:27; 24:31) The apostle Paul made specific mention of “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7) And Peter described the resurrected Jesus by saying: “He is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.”—1 Peter 3:22.
ARMY LEADER:
The Bible states that “Michael and HIS angels battled with the dragon….and its angels.” (Rev 12:7) Thus, Michael is the Leader of an army of faithful angels. Revelation also describes Jesus as the Leader of an army of faithful angels. (Rev 19:14-16) And the apostle Paul specifically mentions “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels” (2 Thess 1:7; Mat 16:27; 24:31; 1 Pet 3:22) So the Bible speaks of both Michael and “his angels” and Jesus and “his angels.” (Mat 13:41) Since God’s Word nowhere indicates that there are two armies of faithful angels in heaven–one headed by Michael and one headed by Jesus–it is logical to conclude that Michael is none other than Jesus Christ in his heavenly role.

JESUS IS COMMISSIONED TO DESTROY ALL THE NATIONS AT ARMAGEDDON
There are also other correspondencies establishing that Michael is actually the Son of God. Daniel, after making the first reference to Michael (Da 10:13), recorded a prophecy reaching down to “the time of the end” (Da 11:40) and then stated: “And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s] people.” (Da 12:1) Michael’s ‘standing up’ was to be associated with “a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time.” (Da 12:1) In Daniel’s prophecy, ‘standing up’ frequently refers to the action of a king, either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king. (Da 11:2-4, 7, 16b, 20, 21) This supports the conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ, since Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed King, commissioned to destroy all the nations at Har–Magedon.—Re 11:15; 16:14-16.

Yes, there are other angelic creatures of high rank, such as seraphs and cherubs. (Genesis 3:24; Isaiah 6:2) Yet, the Scriptures point to the resurrected Jesus Christ as the chief of all angels—Michael the archangel.

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Well thank you for the help. It more than answers my questions and I have sent my name through the website to have someone from the JW come out and study with me.

Your welcome. Those who come to study with you will be more than qualified to answer any questions you have about JW's or the Bible.

I'd like to quote the third paragraph of a broshure that we often study with people:
“God made sure that the Bible was accurately copied and preserved. More Bibles have been printed than any other book. Not everyone will be happy to see you studying the Bible, but do not let that stop you. Your eternal future depends on your getting to know God and doing his will despite any opposition.—Matthew 5:10-12; John 17:3.”

david

[david]

Also, Rejoycesing, on this statement:

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I understand why most people on this site, if that is so, believe as I do that God has His people everywhere. Jehovah calls us to (2 Cor. 6:15-18) come out of her.. So this would appear to mean that His people is among them. Jehovah's Witnesses do not appear to recognize this. So all of God's people that are coming out of her (false churches) should be sought out by the Witnesses. Prehaps that is what they are doing, trying to get the wheat pulled out safely from among the tares.

The scripture you mentioned:
2 CORINTHIANS 6:14-18
“Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be′li·al? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols? For we are a temple of a living God; just as God said: “I shall reside among them and walk among [them], and I shall be their God, and they will be my people.” “‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take YOU in.’” “‘And I shall be a father to YOU, and YOU will be sons and daughters to me,’ says Jehovah the Almighty.””

Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. I've talked with different ones about this topic quite a bit, as to me, this forum seems to be the Church of Anti-Denominationalism. So what is an unbeliever? That's the question, isn't it? If 98% of people who say they are Christians believe the Jesus is God Almighy and this is false, are these people fellow believers? If someone believes that God tortures people for all time for the sins of a few years on earth, and that this is what a God of Justice and love does, are they a fellow believer? If someone thinks it's good and fine to go to war and kill people in another country, your country, even though they claim to believe in the same God as you, are they true believers? I believe that the world in general has been blinded by Satan the devil. (2 Cor 4:4) I believe he rules the world and is the god of this system of things and is misleading the entire inhabited earth (rev 12:9) Hence the persecution on Jesus' followers. Hence the common false ideas, which I believe includes the idea that you can be in Babylon the great and friends with God. How does the Bible describe Babylon? The plea is an urgent one: Get out of her! If you are rightly disposed, of the right heart condition, God will draw you to Him. You will not remain a part of Babylon, which is described as something disgusting, an enemy of God which will be done away with.

What agreement does God's temple have with idols? It's a question in the scripture you mention. Many temples have idols in them. Are people who go to such churches in line with the meaning behind this scripture?

“Get out from among them and separte yourselves,” says the Bible.

If you do this, “I will take you in,” he says. “I SHALL be a father to you,” it says.

And if someone decides not to do this? The Bible says you will “share with her” in her [Babylon the Great's] sins. And who wants that?

david.

[He’s Coming in the Clouds]

Dear rejoycesing,

The JW is not a church you should consider joining. I will give you one point that they stand on that is against scripture.

The JW believe that when a man dies, his soul dies along with the body. They believe that the soul and the body are basically the same thing and when a man dies, he will cease to exist until the resurrection.

Now, this is completely untrue. For when a man dies, his soul goes to be with Jesus and his body sleeps in the grave if he is born again at the time of his physical death. Those who die without being save go to hell.

[david]

Rejoycesing, when you speak with those who come to discuss the Bible with you, do not let them simply say: “the soul is immortal” or the “soul is not immortal” as some like to do. Obviously, they won't do this. They'll show you what the Bible says about the soul.

[He’s Coming in the Clouds]

Well David, I gave you one scripture how long ago to come up with an explaination for. Now is your chance to give the answer. I will post it again and then, I will toss in much more. When the smoke clears, we will see who is left standing. Are you game?

[He’s Coming in the Clouds]

Dear rejoyceing,

Listen to David's own words.

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They'll show you what the Bible says about the soul.

That is what believing in God is all about. The Word of God.

[david]

Sorry Rejoycesing, I missed this question:

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Why do they have to have their own bible translation? I checked every thing from my NKJV bible and original translations to confirm scripture references in the study topics that I found on their site. I found no conflicts in what their bible translation said but this still concerns me.

For information (more of a defence) on the NWT, you may go here:
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/newworldtranslation/home.htm

There are many reasons for publishing our own Bible. It should be stated that for half a century, we used primarily the KJV in English speaking areas. There are a few Bibles that we publish. Restoration of God's name and the use of modern English is part of the reason that we created.

Let us listen to what Jason BeDuhn has said.
(He is a Greek scholar and Associate Professor of Religious Studies Department of Humanities, Arts, and Religion Northern Arizona University. He holds a B.A. in Religious studies from the University of Illinois, Urbana, and M.T.S. in New Testament and Christian Origins from Harvard Divinity School, and a Ph.D. in the Comparative Study of Religions from Indiana University, Bloomington. He is the author of many articles in the areas of Biblical Studies and Manichaean Studies, and of the book, The Manichaean Body: In Discipline and Ritual (Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press, 2000), winner of the “Best First Book” prize from the American Academy of Religion.)

“Atrocious, deceitful, and inaccurate” may be what some call the NWT, but such a characterization is completely erroneous. Nearly every message I have received since the Watchtower article came out has claimed that “all reputable scholars,” “every Greek or biblical scholar,” etc. has condemned the NWT. It often sounds like people are getting this quote from the same source. But whatever the source, it is a lie. I have looked into the matter, and found almost no reviews of the NWT in academic journals. Most date from the 50s and 60s (the NWT has been improved since then). This kind of blanket condemnation of the NWT does not exist, for the most part because biblical scholars are far too busy to review WBTS publications which are considered outside of academic interest. It is simply something we don't pay attention to. I would welcome the names of any scholar who has written a review of the KIT or NWT; I am looking for these reviews, which seem few and far between. For [this]characterization to be correct, [a critic] would have to point out places in the NWT where the translators deliberately give a false meaning for a word or phrase. Not a meaning within the range of possibility for the Greek, but something actually false and ungrammatical. Despite dozens of contacts in the last month, no one has yet supplied a single example which shows deliberate distortion (and I have checked many passages suggested to me). The fact is that the NWT is what I call a “hyper-literal” translation, it sticks very close to the Greek, even making awkward English reading. There are a few places where the translators seem to have gone far out of their way, sometimes to clarify something suggested by the Greek, often for no apparent reason (maybe my ignorance of fine points of Witness theology prevents me from grasping what they are up to). And if you look at any other available translation, you will find similar instances where interpretation has been worked into the text in a way that stretches, if it does not violate the Greek. Every translation is biased towards the views of the people who made it. It is hard to judge who is right and who is wrong simply by comparing versions. You must go back to the Greek.”

Of course, if you don't “trust” our Bible, you may specifically ask those who come to see you to use the KJV or your own Bible. Always check everything in your own Bible. Don't simply believe someone when they say, for example, “the soul is immortal.” Always have them show you several scriptures to confirm what someone believes.

david

[He’s Coming in the Clouds]

So are you game David, you talk the talk, now walk the walk.

[david]

I would love to say more, and find H's question, but I'm going to go follow this scriptural command:

HEBREWS 10:24-25
“And let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as YOU behold the day drawing near.”

bye for now.

david

[He’s Coming in the Clouds]

That is why David doesn't like my bible, which is the King James bible. It takes all the words of men that their religion is built on and shreds it to pieces.

[david]

As seekingtruth said of me on Aug 18, in the other JW thread,

“David,
I assume you missed my question as your usually very good at responding.”

H, I'm not sure what your question is. I have to go now. As I stated in my previous post, we used the KJV for half a century. We still use it. I own one. We quote from it in our publications.

I have to go.

david

[He’s Coming in the Clouds]

You just don't stand on it.

[He’s Coming in the Clouds]

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

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