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Hi S,
I believe in the scriptures.
Do we need theology as well?The JW teachings are bizarre and founded on man and his carnal ideas.
But the watchtower casts a fearsome controlling shadow over it's adherents.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 16 2009,17:41) I believe in the scriptures.
Do we need theology as well?the·ol·o·gy
the study of religious faith, practice, and experience ; especially : the study of God and of God's relation to the world
Seems to be what we are doing here.
Quote The JW teachings are bizarre and founded on man and his carnal ideas. But the watchtower casts a fearsome controlling shadow over it's adherents
Yes, it seems all denominations lean solely on the teachings of one man – at least initially.
Seeking
Hi S,
No we encourage folk to seek and find a family relationship with their Father God.
Knowing too much about God can be a barrier.
The faith of children suffices.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 16 2009,19:12) Hi S,
No we encourage folk to seek and find a family relationship with their Father God.
Knowing too much about God can be a barrier.
The faith of children suffices.
Hello,Really! Getting to know the Father can be a barrier?
The faith of a child is sufficient? Perhaps as a starting point.1Pe 2:2 ESV Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation–
Your insistence to say black when someone says white
sounds quite ridiculous.Seeking
Hi S,
This is your definition
“the·ol·o·gythe study of religious faith, practice, and experience ; especially : the study of God and of God's relation to the world”
Does that include anything about KNOWING GOD or is it just KNOWING ABOUT HIM??
Hi:
David indicated:
God's name has meaning—“he causes to become.”
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Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call“Whosoever shall call upon the name of the LORD” = Yeshua = Jehovah is Salvation
Love in Christ,
MartyHi S,
Jl 2
32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.This is quoted in Acts2
Acts 2
17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
But Rom10 is NOT NECESSARILY A QUOTE
Rom10
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Just because it is in BOLD TEXT in your bible proves nothing.
Now in this context it is different, now relating to the Lordship of Jesus over Jew and gentile, but delightfully reminiscent of Jl2. The beauty and harmony of God's word delights.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 16 2009,20:21)
Nick,You say, This is your definition
“the·ol·o·gythe study of religious faith, practice, and experience ; especially : the study of God and of God's relation to the world”
Thank you, but actually it is Webster's.
This one you figure out – Does that include anything about KNOWING GOD or is it just KNOWING ABOUT HIM??
Seeking
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 16 2009,20:33)
Nick,What in the world kind of statement is this –But Rom10 is NOT NECESSARILY A QUOTE
Does that mean it could be but maybe it isn't?
And this – Just because it is in BOLD TEXT in your bible proves nothing.
Your truly magic, you can read my Bible. Actually I looked in several I own and it is not in BOLD TEXT. But then Nick will know better won't he!
You do move from the sublime to the ridiculous trying to prove who knows what.
Seeking
Hi S,
You really love getting personal.
But did you not tell us you were going to stop doing that sort of stuff?Hi S,
Why not let folks make their own mind up ?
We are here to make people question things.A bit of CRC loosens the rust of tradition.
Quote The JW teachings are bizarre and founded on man and his carnal ideas. But the watchtower casts a fearsome controlling shadow over it's adherents.
For someone who teaches the grand daddy of all “fearsome controlling” beliefs (hellfire) I wouldn't talk.
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 17 2009,14:28) Hi: David indicated:
God's name has meaning—“he causes to become.”
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Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call“Whosoever shall call upon the name of the LORD” = Yeshua = Jehovah is Salvation
Love in Christ,
Marty
Um, no 94, just wrong. No question. I'm sorry, but wrong.“lord” in that verse is not Yeshua (Jesus.)
It is unquestionably referring to The Father. The tetragrammaton is there, (God's name), not Yeshua.
This is why so many people believe in the trinity. It gets confusing when you take God's name out.
Quote What in the world kind of statement is this -But Rom10 is NOT NECESSARILY A QUOTE But the one in Acts, definitely without question is a quote from Joel. And the question is of “Jehovah” in the NT.
JOEL 2:30-32
““And I will give portents in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun itself will be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah. And IT MUST OCCUR THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF JEHOVAH WILL GET AWAY SAFE; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will prove to be the escaped ones, just as Jehovah has said, and in among the survivors, whom Jehovah is calling.””ACTS 2:16-21
“On the contrary, this is what WAS SAID THROUGH THE PROPHET JOEL, ‘“And in the last days,” God says, “I shall pour out some of my spirit upon every sort of flesh, and YOUR sons and YOUR daughters will prophesy and YOUR young men will see visions and YOUR old men will dream dreams; and even upon my men slaves and upon my women slaves I will pour out some of my spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. And I will give portents in heaven above and signs on earth below, blood and fire and smoke mist; the sun will be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the great and illustrious day of Jehovah arrives. AND EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF JEHOVAH WILL BE SAVED.”’”Quote (david @ Feb. 17 2009,16:23) Quote The JW teachings are bizarre and founded on man and his carnal ideas. But the watchtower casts a fearsome controlling shadow over it's adherents.
For someone who teaches the grand daddy of all “fearsome controlling” beliefs (hellfire) I wouldn't talk.
Hi david,
Do you not accept what scripture says about the lake of fire?
The JWs have sanitised that part have they not?You are on your own here Nick. Hey, isn't the “lake of fire” mentioned in the extremely highly symbolic book of Revelation?
Aren't we specifically told what the lake of fire is?Yes and yes.
Hi David,
Yes it is replete with symbolism but that gives nobody the right to allegorise away the fire prepared for the devil and his angelsSeeking, you opened this thread by saying:
ASAPH desires that all know He alone is “Jehovah” the most high over all the earth –
Psa 83:17-18 KJV Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame,and perish: That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH,art the most high over all the earth.
I found the following interesting:
The Qur’ān tells of someone “who was deeply versed in the Scriptures.” (Al-Naml [27]:40, NJD)
In explaining this verse, a commentary known as Tafsīr Al-Jalālayn says:
“It was Asaph the son of Berechiah. He was a righteous man. He knew God’s greatest name, and whenever he called on it, he was answered.”But who is this Asaph the son of Berechiah who knew the greatest name of God? The Qur’ān very often advises turning back to God’s ancient books in order to obtain the answers. (See Yūnus [10]:94; Al-Naḥl [16]:43; Al-Anbiyā’ [21]:7.)
These tell us that Asaph the son of Berechiah was the one who by inspiration wrote Psalm 83. (1 Chronicles 15:17; Psalm 83, superscription)Verse 18 of this psalm says: “That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, you alone are the Most High over all the earth.”
Asaph was not the only one who knew this great name. All the prophets whom God had inspired in the past to write the Holy Scriptures knew that name and used it. It also constitutes a part of many proper nouns, some of which we find in the Qur’ān. The name of the prophet John (Yaḥyā) means “Jehovah Has Been Gracious”; that of the prophet Elijah (Ilyās) means “My God Is Jehovah”; the name Zechariah means “Jehovah Has Remembered.”
Quote Hi David,
Yes it is replete with symbolism but that gives nobody the right to allegorise away the fire prepared for the devil and his angels………..[AND “DEATH” AND “HADES” DON'T FORGET THOSE.]If only the Bible told us what this symbolic lake of fire represented….
Oh, wait…
“the lake of fire. THIS MEANS THE SECOND DEATH.” (REV 20:14)
Anyway, off topic, and very few agree with you on your idea of God torturing people for eternity for the sins of a few years on earth. It goes against countless Bible principles.
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