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May 3, 2007 at 5:46 am#51333

Unisage

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Hi
Unisage

Is the Holy Ghost the Gift of specking the word of God perhaps?

Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Hbr 2:4 God also bearing [them] witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

God bless And glad you have come

Charity

I will get with you later on this ok?Its 145 am I need some sleep…

Good morning and Good nite.

May 3, 2007 at 6:22 am#51334

NickHassan

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Hi U,
Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit of God.
God was in heaven and has never been reported as leaving.
Jesus referred to the Spirit of God as the finger of God [lk11]and that description is valid.

May 3, 2007 at 8:01 am#51337

Tim2

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God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory

Again, this talks about God being manifest in the flesh, i.e. the Logos becoming manifest as the man Jesus Christ. It says nothing of the Father being manifest as the Holy Spirit. Let me know when you get something that says that.

Tim

May 3, 2007 at 8:43 am#51342

NickHassan

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Hi Tim2,
We know the Son of God is not the God of Whom he is the Son
and God was not Christ but was in Christ, to the fullness of deity.

Without weaving anymore tales of fantasy we should stay with revelation.

May 3, 2007 at 2:40 pm#51344

Unisage

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Tim

I did this all for you.Because you will have a Tough time trying to convince those that Jesus is God.When Scriptures Says other wise! And Sorry so long.

Jesus was sent by God,He speaks for God,He represents God, and was raised and glorified by his God! The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus never claimed to be God! And Neither do the scriptures present Jesus as, The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Jesus represents and speaks for his Father.It is the Father who was with his Son Like a Great Parent that the Father is.

Deuteronomy 18:15-19

15The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

16According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

17And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

18I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee,and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Matthew 22:32

32I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Matthew 23:39

39For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Mark 11:9-10

9And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord:

10Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.

Mark 12:26
26And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?

Luke 13:35
35Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Luke 20:37
37Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.

John 3:2
2The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

John 3:17
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:32-35
32And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
John 4:34
34Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
John 5:19
19Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

John 5:30
30I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:36
36But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.
John 5:43
43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
John 6:57
57As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

John 7:16
16Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 7:28
28Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.
John 8:26
26I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

John 8:28
28Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

John 8:38
38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

John 10:25
25Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

John 12:49-50
49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

John 14:10
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 15:15
15Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

John 17:8
8For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

John 17:26
26And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them

John 20:17
17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Acts 2:22
22Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Acts 2:34-36
34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Acts 3:13
13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 3:22
22For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Acts 5:30
30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Romans 15:6
6That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:3
3Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2 Corinthians 8:6
6Insomuch that we desired Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also finish in you the same grace also.

2 Corinthians 11:31
31The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.

Colossians 1
:3
3We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
Colossians 1:15
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Colossians 2:9-12
9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Hebrews 1:1-3
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Revelation 1:1

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

May 3, 2007 at 3:13 pm#51345

Unisage

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 03 2007,18:22)

Hi U,
Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit of God.
God was in heaven and has never been reported as leaving.
Jesus referred to the Spirit of God as the finger of God [lk11]and that description is valid.

Hebrews 4:13 says, Nothing in all creation is hidden from Gods sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must given an account. Jeremiah 23:24 exclaims, Can anyone hide in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord.

May 3, 2007 at 3:19 pm#51346

Unisage

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Quote (Unisage @ May 04 2007,03:13)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 03 2007,18:22)

Hi U,
Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit of God.
God was in heaven and has never been reported as leaving.
Jesus referred to the Spirit of God as the finger of God [lk11]and that description is valid.

Nick

This also..

Psalm 139

Psalm 139
1O lord, thou hast searched me, and known me.

2Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off.

3Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.

4For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether.

5Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me.

6Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.

7Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

8If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

9If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;

10Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

11If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.

12Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

13For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

14I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

15My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

16Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

17How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

18If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.

19Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.

20For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.

21Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

22I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

23Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

24And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

May 3, 2007 at 4:54 pm#51348

Unisage

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Quote (charity @ May 03 2007,16:18)

Hi
Unisage

Is the Holy Ghost the Gift of specking the word of God perhaps?

Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Hbr 2:4 God also bearing [them] witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

God bless And glad you have come

Charity

The Holy Ghost is the Spirit of God. I hope this was what you are looking for.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

John 20:21-23

21Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 4:8
Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,

Acts 4:31
And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

May 3, 2007 at 5:49 pm#51349

NickHassan

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Quote (Unisage @ May 04 2007,03:19)