Israel in prophecy

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So in essence, what you are saying is, what you don't understand, you don't agree with?

Georg

April 14, 2009 at 6:52 pm#127614

Texas

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Quote (Tiffany @ Oct. 03 2008,03:08)

This is and article from my Husband, so please don't ask to many question, please, I am just putting it up for your study on the sunject.

I S R A E L

At one time, Jesus lamented over the people in Jerusalem saying;
Mat. 23:38“Behold, your house (nation) is left unto you desolate.”
But no one understood. In 70 A. D. however, it became apparent; the Israelites as a nation ceased to exist. God did warn his people that he would do this;
Ezek. 22:15 “And I will scatter thee among the heathen, and disperse thee in the countries, and will consume thy filthiness out of thee.”
While the Jews were in captivity of the Babylonians; God had Ezekiel prophecy in a demonstration, what he would do to them, if they would not turn from their evil ways;
Ezek. 5:1 “And thou, son of man, take thee a sharp knife, take thee a barber’s razor, and cause it to pass upon thine head and upon thy beard; then take thee balances to weigh and divide the hair.”
v. 2 “Thou shalt burn with fire a third part in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are fulfilled; and thou shalt take a third part, and smite about it with a knife; and a third part thou shalt scatter in the wind; and I will draw out a sword after them.”
They were in fact very severely punished; the fire meant very severe trials, the smiting with the knife meant death by the sword, scattering in the wind is just what it implies scattering into the entire world; but was this the end of the nation Israel? Obviously not;
Jer. 30:3 “For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD; and I will cause them to return to the Land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.”
Jer. 46:28 “Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD; for I am with thee, for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee, but correct thee in measure, yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.”
The evidence shows, God has kept his promise; since 1948, Israel again is a nation. But what did happen, for that to happen? At the time Jesus pronounced the destruction of their house, nation, they were already serving a seven-time punishment period. A time is a year of 360 days, God’s punishment is a year for a day, or 7×360 = 2520 years.
Lev. 26:18 “And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.”
This punishment started with the invasion of the Babylonians in 606 B.C., and ended in 1914 A.D., the beginning of World War One. Is that important? VERY! For one thing, Palestine was occupied by the Muslim Turks, how to get them out? The whole process started with the cleansing of the sanctuary.
Dan. 8:14 “And he said unto me, unto two thousand and three hundred days (years), then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.”
What sanctuary are we talking about hear? God’s throne in heaven;
Ps. 102:19 “ For he has looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth.”
The starting point for these 2300 years, was the same as the seventy weeks, Dan. 9:24; that is, when the order was given to rebuild the city Jerusalem and her walls, 457 B.C. It was Gods sanctuary that was cleansed of Satan and his angels, their access to Gods throne has since then been denied.
Rev. 12:7 “And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels.”
v. 8 “And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.”
v. 9 “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
v. 10 “And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ; for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”
v. 12 “Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe (third woe) to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea (Nations)! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he has but a short time.”
v. 13 “And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.”
The woman is symbolic for a church or religious organization; Israel is the woman that brought forth the man-child, Jesus; and Satan was going to make war with the remnant of her seed, the Jews.
v. 17 “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep (have) the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
What are the testimonies of Jesus?
Rev. 19:10 “And I fell at his feet to worship him, And he said unto me, See thou do it not; I am thy fellowservent, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus; worship God; for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
God had sent to them all the prophets, but they had paid little or no attention to them even killed them. There should be no mistake, that the Israelites, which were scattered all over the world, are the remnant of her seed. Satan himself however cannot harm anyone, as we read in the book of Job.
Job 1:12 “And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thyne hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.”
But there are those that will do his evil work.
v. 15 “And the Sabe’ans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.”
According to the time given by Daniel, the cleansing of the sanctuary took place in 1843. By 1914, 70 years, a generation later,
Ps. 90:10 “The days of our years are threescore years and ten (70 years); and if by
reason of stength (health) they be fourscore years (80 years), yet is their strength
labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.”
Satan had the whole world on edge, that all it took was one shot, the assassination of the Austrian Archduke Francis Ferdinand. Hardly ever will the older generations start a rebellion or a revolution, because they are content with their lives. It is the progressive dissatisfaction of the younger generations that will bring that about. It took one shot, and the whole world exploded into World War One. It was by the means of this war, that God cleared the way for the Jews to return to their Land, now called Palestine. He had the British drive out the Turks; and in 1918 the British secretary of State for foreign affairs Arthur Balfour, promised British support for the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people. By 1919 the number of Jewish immigrants to Palestine had risen to about 58000. Sounds a bit like Ezra 2:64, 65, does it not? Arab nations tried to stem the flow, but were unable to.
In 1933, 30,000 Jews came to Palestine,
In 1934, 42,000 Jews came, and
In 1935, 61,000 Jews immigrated to Palestine.
By 1939, Jewish Colonies had increased to 200, and population had reached almost 500,000. World War One served another purpose; it was the reason for World War Two.
After becoming Chancellor of Germany; Adolf Hitler displayed hatred toward the Jews, unequaled by any other. Satan had found his man, and the Jews were to experience a kind of persecution, like never before. Jesus said this time would come.
Mat. 24:21 “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the b
eginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
This is exactly what we read in,
Jer. 30:7 “Alas! For that day (time) is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.”
And saved out of it he was, Jesus said he would be,
Mat. 24:22 “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.”
We even read about this time in,
Dan. 12:1 “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered…”
There should be no doubt that, the children of thy people – Daniels people -, are the Jews; and the remnant of the seed of the woman are what is left of the Jews, scattered all over the world. So in all we are talking about the same people, the Jews. But Jesus said “for the elect’s sake”, are the Jewish people the elect? YES!
Is. 45:4 “For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect…”
Is. 65:22 “They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.”
Rom. 11:28 “As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes, but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers sakes.”
It should not be too difficult to figure out how the days were shortened; God defeated Germany. Think about it; had Hitler won the war, no flesh, Jew, would be alive today! For the Jews to regain their land and independence did not come easy. They had to fight, literally, against overwhelming odds, but the odds don’t matter when you have God on your side.
Zeph. 10:6 “And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them; and they shall be as though I had not cast them off; for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them.”
While God is looking ahead and making things happen, we have to look back and try to understand, what did happen? And even then, looking at history is like looking at pieces of a puzzle, and without the help of God’s Holy Spirit, we would never know where they fit.
1 Cor. 2:11 “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”

Peace and Love Irene

Hello Tiffany!

I should like to remind that something you stated is entirely incorrect! You said, in part:
“There should be no doubt that, the children of thy people – Daniels people -, are the Jews; and the remnant of the seed of the woman are what is left of the Jews, scattered all over the world. So in all we are talking about the same people, the Jews. But Jesus said “for the elect’s sake”, are the Jewish people the elect? YES!”

The answer to that is really NO! Why? For the following scriptural reasons! Jesus made this statement at Matthew 28: 19 to the eleven Apostles just prior to his ascension to sit at the right hand of his Father: “Go therefore and make disciples of people of ALL THE NATIONS {not just the Jews} baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit!” Aw, but there's more even yet that shows your reasoning is totally wrong! Look at Matthew 25:31-46. Specifically verses 31-33- it is worded thusly: “When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious Throne. And ALL THE NATIONS will be gatered before him, and he will separate people one from another just as a shepherd seperates the sheep from the goats. And he will put the sheep on his right hand, {position of favor} but the goats on his left.” {Position of disfavor} Now, read on from verse 33 to verse 46 to get the full flavor of what is actually going on here!

I should also mention that people from among the Nations will make up a part of the elect! Pay close attention now to Romans 9: 22-26 which also shows your reasoning to be quite wrong! It states there: “If, now, God, although having the will to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known, tolerated with much long – suffering vesells of wrath made fit for destruction, in order that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vesells of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory, namely, us, whom he called NOT ONLY FROM AMONG JEWS but also from AMONG NATIONS, [what of it] It is as he says also in Ho–se'a: “Those not my people I will call my people,' and her who was not beloved'; beloved.” and in the place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called 'sons of the living God.” Now finish up by reading verses 27-33 and even more of your error will be exposed! Ephesians 3:5,6 will also show you your reasoning is very flawed, for there it shows you that people from among the Nations will make up a part of the elect; there it reads: “In other generations this [secret] was not made known to the sons of men as it has now been revealed to his holy Apostles and prophets by Spirit, namely that people OF THE NATIONS should be JOINT HEIRS and fellow members of the body and partakers with us of the promise in union with Christ Jesus through the good news.”

Don't forget! We are now dealing with “The Israel of God” not fleshly Israel! Galations 6: 15,16! or better yet, Spiritual Israel! This is a house that is inhabited by Jehovah's Holy Spirit! {Ephesians 2: 11-22 This now, is a spiritual house, as I said Jehovah inhabits by Holy Spirit! 1 Peter 2: 4,5
What does all of this prove? It proves that you have much correcting to do in your reasoning, because you are quite wrong! Texas!

April 14, 2009 at 10:03 pm#127650

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Congratulation, Nick has a twin brother.

Georg

April 15, 2009 at 9:28 am#127715

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Hello Texas

((“What does all of this prove? It proves that you have much correcting to do in your reasoning, because you are quite wrong! Texas!”))

Let me introduce you to some scriptures, and if you don't like them you can take it up with God.

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.
Eze 36:17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.
Eze 36:18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it:
Eze 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
Eze 36:21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
Eze 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

I think that's enough for a starter.

Georg

April 15, 2009 at 10:09 am#127721

Tim Kraft

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I feel the Love! Jesus said the Law and the Prophets testified of him! The old is over. Why haggle over an old covenant that is completely fulfilled? The New Way is paid for by Jesus. It free to those who will believe. Believers are the chosen people of God. God is no respector of person's. Jesus is the way to God. Israel means nothing! The Jew's mean nothing! What you are calling the Holy City of Jerusalem and the nation of Israel are some of the killingest, lowest, meanest bunch of non-believing people on the planet. If they do not believe in the saving grace of Jesus Christ they are nothing better than infidels! Peace to all, the work is finished! TK

April 15, 2009 at 10:36 am#127722

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Quote (Tim Kraft @ April 15 2009,22:09)

You feel the love, but you spread hate; it is obvious you have a bias toward the Israelites.

Gen 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Gen 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

The Israelites are the decendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel.

Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Georg

November 12, 2010 at 3:24 am#224242

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Quote (t8 @ Oct. 03 2008,04:06)

Thought is was interesting that no discussion exists about Israel and the miracles and prophecies that are synonymous with Israel.

From another discussion I posted the following, but thought that it would make a good starter for its own topic.

In hindsight it is always easier to see what someone was saying after the event. In the case of the prophecies pertaining to the restoration of Israel it is probably true too.

How many people pre-1948, didn't believe the scriptures about to the restoration of Israel because it was too amazing to believe that an ancient nation could be resurrected? I am sure that many people just assumed it was symbolic or was just plain false hope.

Here is a bit of history. King David ruled Israel about 3000 years ago. The land was conquered and destroyed by the Babylonians, Assyrians and Romans later on. The land has been in ruins for much of the past 2000 years. The Jews, who had been scattered throughout the world, began to return in large numbers during the past 100 years. Since then, they have been rebuilding many of Israel's ancient cities.

Scripture talks of the restoration of the nation of Israel, the restoration of the language, and that the nation would be fruitful in agricultural terms. So how is it possible that a people are lose their land, are scattered throughout the world, lose their language, and the land becomes a desert, turns into a place of Jewish people speaking Hebrew who have burgeoning agricultural industry?

Too hard to believe, well we know it has happened, so now lets look back at scripture and history together.

Restoration of Israel

Ezek 39:27-29
“When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will show myself holy through them in the sight of many nations.” 28 “Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind.” 29 “I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the house of Israel, declares the Sovereign LORD.”

Amos 9:14-15
“14 I will bring back my exiled people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. 15 I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them, says the LORD your God.”

Jer 30:2
“This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you. 3 The days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will bring my people Israel and Judah back from captivity and restore them to the land I gave their forefathers to possess,' says the LORD.”

Jer 31:10
“Hear the word of the LORD, O nations; proclaim it in distant coastlands: 'He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.”

Jer 33:7
“I will bring Judah and Israel back from captivity and will rebuild them as they were before.”

Ezek 37:21-27
…..”I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. 22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms.”

Isaiah 43:5-6
“Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth…

A wasteland reversed

During the past 100 years, the Jews have been using advanced farming and irrigation techniques to turn barren land into productive farmland. Today, Israel is a source of food for many countries and is perhaps the only country in the world to have successfully reverse desertification on a significant scale. Most countries are losing against desertification. Today, Israel even has the same flag, the flag of David.

Ezekiel 36:11
I will increase the number of men and animals upon you, and they will be fruitful and become numerous. I will settle people on you as in the past and will make you prosper more than before. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

Amos 9:11, 13
“In that day I will restore David's fallen tent. I will repair its broken places, restore its ruins, and build it as it used to be,'' … “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills.”

Isaiah 41:18-20
I will make rivers flow on barren heights, and springs within the valleys. I will turn the desert into pools of water, and the parched ground into springs. I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together, so that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the Lord has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it.

I heard someone say that 45% of the bible is prophecy, but I cannot confirm if this is true right now, but in any case it is a significant percentage. Prophecy is something tangible by which you can judge scripture by. If prophecies are wrong people will notice. But as you can see from the above prophecies they are not vague by anyones terms.

And as for miracles, you need not look any further than Israel. It is surrounded by greater enemies than it faced 2700 years ago, and it not only survives but it is a dominant force in the area. Israel is surrounded by a sea of hate and yet it prospers as God said it would.

Isaiah 41:12-14
Though you search for your enemies, you will not find them. Those who wage war against you will be as nothing at all. For I am the Lord, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear; I will help you. Do not be afraid, O worm Jacob, O little Israel, for I myself will help you,” declares the Lord, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

this is a good post and yes it describes some of the prophecies
that have come trough but many still do not understand
them the application nor there time in wich they are fulfilled,

so i think it need refreshing the topic

pierre

November 12, 2010 at 9:51 pm#224338

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Pierre

Why would you pick up this topic, which we have debated in length.
You don't believe the word of God, so what else is there to discuss?

Georg

November 13, 2010 at 6:17 am#224402

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Quote (Baker @ Nov. 13 2010,14:51)

Pierre

Why would you pick up this topic, which we have debated in length.
You don't believe the word of God, so what else is there to discuss?

Georg

georg

there are new members who knows

Pierre

November 13, 2010 at 10:29 am#224427

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 13 2010,16:17)

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 13 2010,14:51)

Pierre

Why would you pick up this topic, which we have debated in length.
You don't believe the word of God, so what else is there to discuss?

Georg

georg

there are new members who knows

Pierre

So you have made it you mission to confuse them too, is that it?

Georg

November 13, 2010 at 11:31 am#224433

seekingtruth

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Quote (Baker @ Nov. 13 2010,17:29)

terraricca,Nov. wrote:

[quote=Baker,Nov. 13 2010,14:51]Pierre

Why would you pick up this topic, which we have debated in length.

Georg,
Isn't that the point of a forum?

November 13, 2010 at 3:57 pm#224445

Ed J

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Quote (Cindy @ April 15 2009,21:36)

Quote (Tim Kraft @ April 15 2009,22:09)

You feel the love, but you spread hate;

Georg

Hi Georg,

Right on brother!

Your brother in
Christ, Jesus!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

November 14, 2010 at 1:56 pm#224628

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Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 13 2010,21:31)

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 13 2010,17:29)

terraricca,Nov. wrote:

[quote=Baker,Nov. 13 2010,14:51]Pierre

Why would you pick up this topic, which we have debated in length.

Georg,
Isn't that the point of a forum?

Yes it is, but Pierre knows what I mean. He and I have discussed this topic in length on another thread.

Georg

November 15, 2010 at 4:05 am#224764

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georg

my cousin,yes you right,but i am ready to be walked trough what you see,
one step at the time

Pierre

November 15, 2010 at 11:24 am#224806

Tim Kraft

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Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 14 2010,01:57)

Quote (Cindy @ April 15 2009,21:36)

Quote (Tim Kraft @ April 15 2009,22:09)

You feel the love, but you spread hate;

Georg

Hi Georg,

Right on brother!

Your brother in
Christ, Jesus!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Georg & Ed: Actually that would be impossible. You cannot feel love in your heart and spread hate. One will always spread or express outside what is on the inside.

You went back to April for that quote. Are we trying to go ahead or backward on this site?

I think maybe when you are busy denying what Jesus says you feel angry. I didn't say the law ended at John. Jesus said in several places that the law and the prophets were until John. Jesus finished everything pertaining to the Kingdom of God. Who will believe? TK

November 15, 2010 at 9:04 pm#224836

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Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2010,14:05)

georg

my cousin,yes you right,but i am ready to be walked trough what you see,
one step at the time

Pierre

You know that is not true; you reject truth.

Georg

November 15, 2010 at 9:13 pm#224837

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Quote (Tim Kraft @ Nov. 15 2010,21:24)

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 14 2010,01:57)

Quote (Cindy @ April 15 2009,21:36)

Quote (Tim Kraft @ April 15 2009,22:09)

You feel the love, but you spread hate;

Georg

Hi Georg,

Right on brother!

Your brother in
Christ, Jesus!
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Georg & Ed: Actually that would be impossible. You cannot feel love in your heart and spread hate. One will always spread or express outside what is on the inside.

You went back to April for that quote. Are we trying to go ahead or backward on this site?

Yes Tim, the Law and the prophets, what does that include? the Old Testament, the old covenant.
Jesus instituted the New Covenant at the last supper. His death on the cross, his blood, is what cleanses us from our sins, “IF” we confess them, and repent of them, “THEN” God will apply the the blood of Christ, his sacrifice, to us which then cleanses us from all unrighteousness.

So, who is denying Jesus, or the word of God?

Georg

November 15, 2010 at 9:30 pm#224839

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Quote (Baker @ Nov. 16 2010,14:04)

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 15 2010,14:05)

georg

my cousin,yes you right,but i am ready to be walked trough what you see,
one step at the time

Pierre

You know that is not true; you reject truth.

Georg

georg

i am truthful,but you have to walk me trough it one step at the time,and i will ask question/s as we go along.

if it is ok with you ,to make it easy for both of us we may create a new topic,so it will be easier to go there,

so what you say???

pierre

November 15, 2010 at 9:39 pm#224842