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    2besee
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    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 28 2012,00:43)

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 27 2012,18:25)
    Wakeup (or anyone else for that matter),
    Can you answer then what these verses mean:

    Matthew 27:50

    And Jesus cried again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split; the tombs also were opened, and MANY BODIES OF THE SAINTS WHO HAD FALLEN ASLEEP WERE RAISED, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

    James 1:17-18

    Every good endowment and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth THAT WE SHOULD BE A KIND OF FIRST FRUITS OF HIS CREATURES.

    Revelation 14:1

    Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.

    And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and they sing a new song BEFORE THE THRONE AND BEFORE THE FOUR LIVING CREATURES AND BEFORE THE ELDERS. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been REDEMED FROM THE EARTH.

    It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; THESE HAVE BEEN REDEEMED FROM MANKIND AS FIRST FRUITS for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.

    Then I saw another angel flying in midheaven, WITH AN ETERNAL GOSPEL TO PROCLAIM TO THOSE WHO DWELL ON EARTH, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people.

    Quote
    Its not Good to start changing the scriptures to make a piont.
    The scriptures said one thousand years,why have to change it to; along time; meaning more than 2000years?

    Wakeup, most of the book of Revelation is symbolic.


    Hi 2Besee,

    Please ask “specific” questions; OK?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed.
    Okay.
    These verse show that there was a resurrection of the 'firstfruits' AND THEN (same chapter) John speaks about an eternal gospel to proclaim to all of those who dwell on the earth – to every nation, tribe, tongue and people. This is AFTER the first resurrection – the 'firstfruits'

    Do you see and believe that or not? Because it seems that others do not believe that.

    #318011
    2besee
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2012,13:11)

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 27 2012,18:25)
    Wakeup (or anyone else for that matter),
    Can you answer then what these verses mean:

    Matthew 27:50

    And Jesus cried again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split; the tombs also were opened, and MANY BODIES OF THE SAINTS WHO HAD FALLEN ASLEEP WERE RAISED, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

    James 1:17-18

    Every good endowment and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth THAT WE SHOULD BE A KIND OF FIRST FRUITS OF HIS CREATURES.

    Revelation 14:1

    Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.

    And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and they sing a new song BEFORE THE THRONE AND BEFORE THE FOUR LIVING CREATURES AND BEFORE THE ELDERS. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been REDEMED FROM THE EARTH.

    It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; THESE HAVE BEEN REDEEMED FROM MANKIND AS FIRST FRUITS for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.

    Then I saw another angel flying in midheaven, WITH AN ETERNAL GOSPEL TO PROCLAIM TO THOSE WHO DWELL ON EARTH, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people.

    Quote
    Its not Good to start changing the scriptures to make a piont.
    The scriptures said one thousand years,why have to change it to; along time; meaning more than 2000years?

    Wakeup, most of the book of Revelation is symbolic.


    2Beesee.

    When did Jesus come to resurrect the beheaded?
    Was it last year,or ten years ago,or what.(just give the year,and not scriptures).
    You must answer qustions in discussions.

    wakeup.

    Wakeup, the 'firstfruits' would have been resurrected with Jesus when the tombs were opened.

    And Jesus cried again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split; the tombs also were opened, and MANY BODIES OF THE SAINTS WHO HAD FALLEN ASLEEP WERE RAISED, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

    Dan. 12:2 says,
    'Many that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake.'
    Matthew says,
    'Many of the saints which slept arose.'  

    Quote:

    The New Testament teaching concerning the first resurrection was understood with the Jewish harvest in mind. This harvest, of which the first resurrection is patterned, has three “groups” – the first fruit, the main harvest, and the gleanings.

    1. THE FIRST GROUP

    The first group of the first resurrection are these saints who were raised when Christ rose from the dead…when He was “resurrected.” These saints who rose at Christ's resurrection are referred to as “first fruits” because they are equivalent to the “sheaf” of first fruits of the Jewish harvest that was taken unto the priest and waved as a “wave offering” before the Lord. The “first fruits” of the Jewish harvest were just that, they were the first few grains (“fruit”) that had ripened prematurely, before the main harvest ripened, when Israel would gather a handful of this very first ripe grain and bring it to the priest in the Tabernacle and there offered as a promise, (pledge) and assurance (guarantee) of the coming great harvest (Exodus 23:19, 34:26 and Leviticus 23:9-14).

    When Jesus rose from the dead, He was the “First Fruits” along with the company of the dead  – that He took with Him into heaven.

    Dan. 12:2 says, 'many that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake.' Matthew says, 'many of the saints which slept arose.'  

    2. THE SECOND GROUP

    The second group of the first resurrection will be those who will be raised at Jesus' second coming – when He returns for His Bride, the Church.

    The second part of the Jewish harvest was the “main harvest…the great ingathering of the grain. This resurrection, at Christ Jesus' second coming, will be the great ingathering of the main harvest, the great host of believers, whose bodies will be raised at this time.

    3. THE THIRD GROUP  

    In the Jewish harvest, after the main body of the harvest had been gathered in, there was the gathering in of “the gleanings,” the grain that ripened late.

    This would be the resurrection of all of the dead – the great white throne judgment – where all who ever lived will stand before the judgment seat of God and are given either eternal life or eternal death according to what they have done.  

    1 Cor 15:23

    But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

    So this scripture shows that Jesus is the first to be resurrected – with the firstfruits – and then they that are Christs at his coming, as the verses in the earlier post show you.

    #318012
    2besee
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 28 2012,00:58)
    Hi 2Besee: OK, Ill take this one to explain…

    Melchizedek was a “King Priest” office
    rather than just merely a person.
    Jesus Christ fills this office.  →  →  →  →  (Link)   


                           
    “Blessed be the LORD God of Shem” (Gen 9:26)
        “Tents of Shem” equal 144

    Genesis 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in
    the tents of Shem(144); and Canaan(Ham's son) shall be his servant.


                           
                              The Holy City, New Jerusalem  (Rev 21:16-17 )          

    The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof,
    an hundred and forty and four(144) cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.

    Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and
    no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four(144) thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.


                                   
                                  Here's where it starts to get interesting

    Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed
    an hundred and forty and four thousand(144,000) of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

    an hundred and forty and four thousandequals 373 (which is the 74th Prime number)


                           
                         Here's where it starts to get's even more interesting

    JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS”=373 (John 19:19)
    This most popular phrase curiously adds up to the 74th prime number: 373.
    Furthermore: “The King” equals 74 as well, which is at the center of this complete phrase.


                                                 
                            The significance of the number 74

    In English, the significant number 74 is attributed to “JOSHUA”=74 and “Messiah”=74; also
    in the following: “JESUS”=74, “Cross”=74, “Gospel”=74, and even “English”=74.

    “Jesus Christ” (74×32) also factors 74 in Greek Theomatically:
    [Jesus] Ιησους=74(x12), [Christ] Χριστоς=74(x20).
    [Son of Man] υιος τον ανθρωπου=74(x40).

    And even GEMATRIA equals 74.


            (LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)                                    

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)


    Hi Ed, I like your post.
    Not sure about all of the NUMBERS but I do see the connection which you made regarding the number of the sealed – 144000 – and the measurements of the temple being 144 cubits. It was the same connection I was trying to show in another thread.

    Here is some excellent reading:

    http://www.gospelchapel.com/Devotions/12_97/devotion_12-13-97.html

    #318013
    2besee
    Participant

    STONES OF THE TEMPLE
    Excerpt from book #A9, Chapter 3

    The seven beatitudes are distinguishing marks of the work of grace. Some profess that the beatitudes describe seven different paths in which the Lord leads His church. On the contrary, the beatitudes are the distinguishing marks of the work of grace in the soul.

    When Jesus opened His mouth to bring forth the gospel, He began building the temple of His Kingdom. Let's look at the beauty of this temple. Then we can consider the individual steps the Lord used in fitting each stone into the temple.

    This process was what moved the Apostle Paul to Give “…thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet  to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light,” COL 1:12.

    These beatitudes are, in fact, the steps in Christ’s staircase by which believers enter the temple, i.e., the body of Christ, “for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” REV 21 illustrates the Kingdom of heaven as the heavenly city, which is the New Jerusalem. V:11 speaks of one of the building blocks, or stones He uses in building His temple, which is the body of Christ. “Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal.”

    This chapter speaks of the stones, the walls, and the gates. These are all symbols of the building of the heavenly Jerusalem wherein is the Temple, i.e., the King, V:22.

    Let's consider this as we read REV 21. This chapter refers to the golden reed, the measurements, the wall, and the foundations of the wall. V:20 names the twelve precious stones which point to the twelve tribes of Israel. V:21 says, “And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.” This chapter shows the twelve separate pearls that are being used to build the wall of the city. Each pearl had a specific place.

    V:22-23 says, “And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.” This is showing the Kingdom of heaven in the illustration of a literal city.

    Let's look at the individual stones that Christ is preparing for the temple from the Sermon on the Mount. In that sermon, Christ teaches us how He prepares each stone for His Kingly temple.

    The body of believers, that is the body of Christ, is the temple. 1PE 2:5 says, “Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.” In the Sermon on the Mount, the Lord Jesus Christ prepares the stones, which He uses to build His temple. Jesus carves out each individual stone to fit its proper place. This is the preparation of the building of His temple.

    The seven beatitudes are the steps the Lord uses to prepare each stone for the building of this temple. I will be referring to them as a staircase. These beatitudes illustrate the steps by which the believers ascend into the temple, which Christ is building.

    The seven steps are:

    1. Humility – MAT 5:3, “Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

    2. Penitence – MAT 5:4, “Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.”

    3. Meekness – MAT 5:5, “Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.”

    4. Spiritual Hunger- MAT 5:6, “Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.”

    5. Mercifulness – MAT 5:7, “Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.”

    6. Inward Purity – MAT 5:8, “Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.”

    7. Making Peace – MAT 5:9, “Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.”

    MAT 5:10-16 teach the sacrificial sufferings and the examples these Christians witness before the world. Amen.

    http://www.gospelchapel.com/Devotions/12_97/devotion_12-13-97.html

    #318016
    2besee
    Participant

    The firstfruits would have been the 144000.

    Revelation 14:1-5

    Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

    #318071
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 28 2012,19:26)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 28 2012,13:11)

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 27 2012,18:25)
    Wakeup (or anyone else for that matter),
    Can you answer then what these verses mean:

    Matthew 27:50

    And Jesus cried again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split; the tombs also were opened, and MANY BODIES OF THE SAINTS WHO HAD FALLEN ASLEEP WERE RAISED, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

    James 1:17-18

    Every good endowment and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth THAT WE SHOULD BE A KIND OF FIRST FRUITS OF HIS CREATURES.

    Revelation 14:1

    Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.

    And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and they sing a new song BEFORE THE THRONE AND BEFORE THE FOUR LIVING CREATURES AND BEFORE THE ELDERS. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been REDEMED FROM THE EARTH.

    It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; THESE HAVE BEEN REDEEMED FROM MANKIND AS FIRST FRUITS for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.

    Then I saw another angel flying in midheaven, WITH AN ETERNAL GOSPEL TO PROCLAIM TO THOSE WHO DWELL ON EARTH, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people.

    Quote
    Its not Good to start changing the scriptures to make a piont.
    The scriptures said one thousand years,why have to change it to; along time; meaning more than 2000years?

    Wakeup, most of the book of Revelation is symbolic.


    2Beesee.

    When did Jesus come to resurrect the beheaded?
    Was it last year,or ten years ago,or what.(just give the year,and not scriptures).
    You must answer qustions in discussions.

    wakeup.

    Wakeup, the 'firstfruits' would have been resurrected with Jesus when the tombs were opened.

    And Jesus cried again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split; the tombs also were opened, and MANY BODIES OF THE SAINTS WHO HAD FALLEN ASLEEP WERE RAISED, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

    Dan. 12:2 says,
    'Many that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake.'
    Matthew says,
    'Many of the saints which slept arose.'  

    Quote:

    The New Testament teaching concerning the first resurrection was understood with the Jewish harvest in mind. This harvest, of which the first resurrection is patterned, has three “groups” – the first fruit, the main harvest, and the gleanings.

    1. THE FIRST GROUP

    The first group of the first resurrection are these saints who were raised when Christ rose from the dead…when He was “resurrected.” These saints who rose at Christ's resurrection are referred to as “first fruits” because they are equivalent to the “sheaf” of first fruits of the Jewish harvest that was taken unto the priest and waved as a “wave offering” before the Lord. The “first fruits” of the Jewish harvest were just that, they were the first few grains (“fruit”) that had ripened prematurely, before the main harvest ripened, when Israel would gather a handful of this very first ripe grain and bring it to the priest in the Tabernacle and there offered as a promise, (pledge) and assurance (guarantee) of the coming great harvest (Exodus 23:19, 34:26 and Leviticus 23:9-14).

    When Jesus rose from the dead, He was the “First Fruits” along with the company of the dead  – that He took with Him into heaven.

    Dan. 12:2 says, 'many that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake.' Matthew says, 'many of the saints which slept arose.'  

    2. THE SECOND GROUP

    The second group of the first resurrection will be those who will be raised at Jesus' second coming – when He returns for His Bride, the Church.

    The second part of the Jewish harvest was the “main harvest…the great ingathering of the grain. This resurrection, at Christ Jesus' second coming, will be the great ingathering of the main harvest, the great host of believers, whose bodies will be raised at this time.

    3. THE THIRD GROUP  

    In the Jewish harvest, after the main body of the harvest had been gathered in, there was the gathering in of “the gleanings,” the grain that ripened late.

    This would be the resurrection of all of the dead – the great white throne judgment – where all who ever lived will stand before the judgment seat of God and are given either eternal life or eternal death according to what they have done.  

    1 Cor 15:23

    But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

    So this scripture shows that Jesus is the first to be resurrected – with the firstfruits – and then they that are Christs at his coming, as the verses in the earlier post show you.


    2Beesee.

    You are quoting many scriptures, but not putting them in the right order.

    The saints that came out of their graves; They were not resurrected, but they were revived; brought back to live in the flesh.
    Because they went back to their city,and was *SEEN* by many.

    They will continue to live untill they die again; just like Lazarus.

    The resurrection will not occur before the 7th trumpet.
    For the last trump will sound and the dead in christ shall be raised incorrubtible.(1 cor.15:52.).

    The sealing of the 144000 will happen BEFORE the first trumpet will sound.(rev.7:2.3.).

    The first trumpet has not sounded yet:even today.

    One trumpet after the other will sound; one plaque,after the other. And at the sound of the 7th trumpet will be the coming, and the resurrection of the majority.

    The 144000.will be taken up with the Lord,just before the first trumpet.read (rev7:2.3 again).

    Bear in mind,there will be onlyTWO RESURRECTIONS,not more.

    wakeup.

    #318107
    2besee
    Participant

    Wakeup,

    Quote
    The saints that came out of their graves; They were not resurrected, but they were revived; brought back to live in the flesh.
    Because they went back to their city,and was  *SEEN*  by many.

    That is just assuming things Wakeup.

    Quote

    They will continue to live untill they die again; just like Lazarus.

    John 21:22 'If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you?'
    There is more to the Book of “John” than you would imagine.

    Quote
    The sealing of the 144000 will happen BEFORE the first trumpet will sound.(rev.7:2.3.).

    The first trumpet has not sounded yet:even today.

    One trumpet after the other will sound; one plaque,after the other. And at the sound of the 7th trumpet will be the coming, and the resurrection of the majority.

    The 144000.will be taken up with the Lord,just before the first trumpet.read (rev7:2.3 again).

    Thanks I will look at that I am still studying revelation.

    #318133
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 28 2012,19:06)

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 28 2012,00:43)

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 27 2012,18:25)
    Wakeup (or anyone else for that matter),
    Can you answer then what these verses mean:

    Matthew 27:50

    And Jesus cried again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit. And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom; and the earth shook, and the rocks were split; the tombs also were opened, and MANY BODIES OF THE SAINTS WHO HAD FALLEN ASLEEP WERE RAISED, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

    James 1:17-18

    Every good endowment and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth THAT WE SHOULD BE A KIND OF FIRST FRUITS OF HIS CREATURES.

    Revelation 14:1

    Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.

    And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and they sing a new song BEFORE THE THRONE AND BEFORE THE FOUR LIVING CREATURES AND BEFORE THE ELDERS. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been REDEMED FROM THE EARTH.

    It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; THESE HAVE BEEN REDEEMED FROM MANKIND AS FIRST FRUITS for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless.

    Then I saw another angel flying in midheaven, WITH AN ETERNAL GOSPEL TO PROCLAIM TO THOSE WHO DWELL ON EARTH, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people.

    Quote
    Its not Good to start changing the scriptures to make a piont.
    The scriptures said one thousand years,why have to change it to; along time; meaning more than 2000years?

    Wakeup, most of the book of Revelation is symbolic.


    Hi 2Besee,

    Please ask “specific” questions; OK?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)


    Hi Ed.
    Okay.
    These verse show that there was a resurrection of the 'firstfruits' AND THEN (same chapter) John speaks about an eternal gospel to proclaim to all of those who dwell on the earth – to every nation, tribe, tongue and people. This is AFTER the first resurrection – the 'firstfruits'

    Do you see and believe that or not? Because it seems that others do not believe that.


    Hi 2Besee,

    “Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God:
    for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you
    the rain, the “former rain(117) , and “the latter rain”(151)  in the first month. And the floors shall be full of wheat,
    and the fats shall overflow with wine and oil. And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten,
    the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm,

    my great army which I sent among you. And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God,
    that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.And ye shall know that I in the midst of Israel,
    and that I the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.” (Joel 2:23-27)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

    #318134
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 28 2012,19:42)
    STONES OF THE TEMPLE
    Excerpt from book #A9, Chapter 3

    The seven beatitudes are distinguishing marks of the work of grace. Some profess that the beatitudes describe seven different paths in which the Lord leads His church. On the contrary, the beatitudes are the distinguishing marks of the work of grace in the soul.

    When Jesus opened His mouth to bring forth the gospel, He began building the temple of His Kingdom. Let's look at the beauty of this temple. Then we can consider the individual steps the Lord used in fitting each stone into the temple.

    This process was what moved the Apostle Paul to Give “…thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet  to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light,” COL 1:12.

    These beatitudes are, in fact, the steps in Christ’s staircase by which believers enter the temple, i.e., the body of Christ, “for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” REV 21 illustrates the Kingdom of heaven as the heavenly city, which is the New Jerusalem. V:11 speaks of one of the building blocks, or stones He uses in building His temple, which is the body of Christ. “Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal.”

    This chapter speaks of the stones, the walls, and the gates. These are all symbols of the building of the heavenly Jerusalem wherein is the Temple, i.e., the King, V:22.

    Let's consider this as we read REV 21. This chapter refers to the golden reed, the measurements, the wall, and the foundations of the wall. V:20 names the twelve precious stones which point to the twelve tribes of Israel. V:21 says, “And the twelve gates were twelve pearls: every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.” This chapter shows the twelve separate pearls that are being used to build the wall of the city. Each pearl had a specific place.

    V:22-23 says, “And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.” This is showing the Kingdom of heaven in the illustration of a literal city.

    Let's look at the individual stones that Christ is preparing for the temple from the Sermon on the Mount. In that sermon, Christ teaches us how He prepares each stone for His Kingly temple.

    The body of believers, that is the body of Christ, is the temple. 1PE 2:5 says, “Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.” In the Sermon on the Mount, the Lord Jesus Christ prepares the stones, which He uses to build His temple. Jesus carves out each individual stone to fit its proper place. This is the preparation of the building of His temple.

    The seven beatitudes are the steps the Lord uses to prepare each stone for the building of this temple. I will be referring to them as a staircase. These beatitudes illustrate the steps by which the believers ascend into the temple, which Christ is building.

    The seven steps are:

    1. Humility – MAT 5:3, “Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”

    2. Penitence – MAT 5:4, “Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.”

    3. Meekness – MAT 5:5, “Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.”

    4. Spiritual Hunger- MAT 5:6, “Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.”

    5. Mercifulness – MAT 5:7, “Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.”

    6. Inward Purity – MAT 5:8, “Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.”

    7. Making Peace – MAT 5:9, “Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.”

    MAT 5:10-16 teach the sacrificial sufferings and the examples these Christians witness before the world. Amen.

    http://www.gospelchapel.com/Devotions/12_97/devotion_12-13-97.html


    Hi 2Besee,,

    Why it's important to understand the seven feasts of God? Because in them is the recording of the Gospel:

    1. The Passover (Pesach) – Nisan 14-15 (Leviticus 23:5)…………………..Passover is the feast of (יה) YÄ's Salvation.
    2. Unleavened Bread (Chag Hamotzi) – Nisan 15-22 (Levi.23:6)……….Unleavened Bread is Jesus, the bread of life.
    3. First Fruits (Yom Habikkurim) – Nisan 16-17 (Leviticus 23:10)………..First Fruits is resurrection or victory over death.
    4. Pentecost (Shavu’ot) – Sivan 6-7 (Leviticus 23:16)…………………………Pentecost is God’s spirit given to indwell in man.
    5. Trumpets (Yom Teru’ah) – Tishri 1 (Leviticus 23:24)………………………..Trumpets is our proclamation of liberty through faith.
    6. Atonement (Yom Kippur) – Tishri 10 (Leviticus 23:27)…………………….is Jesus’ atoning sacrifice for our sins upon (†) a cross.
    7. Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot) – Tishri 15-22 (Lev.23:34)…………….is the Feast of our ingathering unto The LORD our GOD.

    Chanaukah symbolizes repentance, which is the rededication of life unto the LORD our GOD (יהוה האלהים YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm).

    ___
    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

    #318168
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 25 2012,14:15)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 25 2012,12:25)

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 24 2012,22:47)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 24 2012,11:11)

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 23 2012,08:49)
    Hi BD,

    That is incorrect; 'islam' is submission to the teachings of 'the false prophet'(Muhammad).

    יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
    עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)


    Incorrect as always Ed


    Have you not submitted to the teachings in the quran – yes or no?


    I have submitted to God and have done so even before reading the Quran that is why I read the Quran


    B.tharta.

    Did you read the bible before you submitted to God?

    wakeup.


    Yes, I unlike many here have read the ENTIRE Bible from from to back and have studied the Bible for perhaps over 30 years and 7 years ago I read and started studying the Quran so believe me I know what is in both and I know that they are both from God MOST HIGH

    #318181
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 22 2012,07:35)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 18 2012,10:10)
    TO THE MUSLEMS SEEKING THE TRUTH.

    Prophesy:
    Jesus prophesied,that the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world;–For a witness.
    And this has come true.Preached to you guys to.

    I know there are many muslems in the world that are seeking the truth;seeking God,not religion.
    religion is a man thing; man always seek for something to worship,and they are led by men to a religion that suits them.

    Just pic one that make you feel good,or most of them just follow traditions;follow their parents religion,same with the Christians.

    But what is truth? Everything that comes out of the mouth of God is truth. Now what comes out of the mouth of God?
    His word comes out of Gods mouth.

    Who,or what is his word? God said that everything is made by his word,He spoke and it is done. Let there be light; and there was light,even you muslems know this.

    You need to read the Bible also if you are truly seeking.
    In John 1:1 it says; In the beginning was the word,and the word was with God and the word was God.

    This is so confusing to the christians,they just can not put their finger on it.So they invented the doctrine of the trinity.

    Back to the word now:
    Verse 2. the same was in the beginning with God: (yes, this make sense; his word is always with him,inside him).

    Verse3. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.(all is made by the word).

    verse14. And the word was MADE flesh,AND DWELT AMONG US. Jesus was that man, made of flesh;he is THE WORD OF GOD,in the flesh.
    The word of God came down to earth to teach men the truth about God,he is the light of the world.(spiritual light)

    No man can come to God but by his word; not some other prophets word. Jesus is the only door to come to God,there is no back door.

    Do you know that one of the apostles,is a palestinian? Read mathew 10:2–4.(simon the canaanite).
    Jesus said to know him we must eat his flesh,and drink his blood. He is spirit and if we take in the scriptures we are eating his flesh(the word),seeking the scriptures and digest it.
    The scripture,is the word of God(Jesus)

    Gods word only can lead to eternal life; there is no other word that can give eternal life.
    This is just a little something for you guys to ponder on.
    Religion only causes wars,in God there is peace.
    In God we are all brothers,and sisters,all bound by the one spirit.

    When you see israel attacked by the kings of the north,this will be the time of great troubles.

    wakeup.


    I hope you are being serious because if you are then take this serious:

    (1) And the angels called to him as he stood praying in the sanctuary: Allah giveth thee glad tidings of (a son whose name is) John, (who cometh) to confirm a Word from Allah lordly, chaste, a prophet of the righteous.  
    (  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #39)

    (2) (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).  
    (  سورة آل عمران  , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)

    O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.  
    (  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)

    Did you not know that Muslims have always known Jesus to be the Word of God and a Spirit that proceeded from HIM?


    B,tharta.

    It is writtem that the word was God.
    You said muslems believe that Jesus is the word of God.
    But they also rejected the next verse;and the word was God.

    They say,oh no,not that fast: Jesus is a prophet of God,just like mohamad.

    Mohamad had a father,you probably know his name.
    But who is Jesus father? He said;who is my father and my mother?

    Can you tell me who Jesus father is?

    wakeup.

    #318195
    2besee
    Participant

    Hi Ed thank you but you didn't answer the question exactly.
    How many resurrections do you believe that there will be, and in what way?

    #318218
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 30 2012,19:18)
    Hi Ed thank you but you didn't answer the question exactly.
    How many resurrections do you believe that there will be, and in what way?


    Hi 2Besee,

    The bible seems to indicate there are two.      …'and in what way?'      …???

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

    #318219
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (t8 @ Oct. 20 2012,00:45)


    Do not think for a moment that only the muslems are the deceivers.
    The christian world are the greater deceivers.
    The apostasy will come out of them,and not out of the muslems.

    The apostasy must come first and is already here;then the false prophet will be revealed,the son of perdition,whom the Lord will destroy with the brightness of his coming.

    wakeup.

    #318323
    2besee
    Participant

    I agree wakeup.

    #318324
    2besee
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 31 2012,05:52)

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 30 2012,19:18)
    Hi Ed thank you but you didn't answer the question exactly.
    How many resurrections do you believe that there will be, and in what way?


    Hi 2Besee,

    The bible seems to indicate there are two.      …'and in what way?'      …???

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)


    Hi Ed no don't worry about my question I was only thinking aloud.
    I was reading this yesterday:

    The Second Resurrection

    At the second resurrection the dead will be judged out of the books in which the deeds of people are recorded. Then the Book of Life will be examined to see if the individual’s name is there. If the person’s name is found in the Book of Life he will be permitted to enter the Kingdom of God and to eat of the tree of life. If his name is not found written in the Book of Life he will be thrown into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:12-15).

    The participants in the second resurrection can be divided into two groups: those who have heard the Gospel of Christ and those who have not heard the Gospel of Christ.

    Those who have heard the Gospel of Christ will be judged on the basis of whether or not they have received the Gospel and also on their subsequent manner of life as a Christian believer.

    Those who have not heard the Gospel of Christ will be judged on the basis of their works alone.

    The current teaching that Christian people will not be judged according to their works is in error. The Scriptures teach clearly that every person will be judged according to his works and will receive the good or the evil he has done (II Corinthians 5:10).

    The current teaching that those who never have heard the Gospel of Christ will be condemned because they have not received Jesus, is abominable. Will God assign to eternal torment an individual, a child perhaps, or a baby who never has heard the Gospel, on the basis that he or she has not accepted the atonement made by the Lord Jesus?

    Such a concept is not at all in keeping with the ways of the God of Heaven or with any reasonable standard of equity. God always is reasonable. It is religious people who draw unreasonable, false, abominable conclusions from their theological beliefs.

    The basis for assignment either to eternal life or to the Lake of Fire is our works, whether we have done good or done evil (John 5:29). Righteous works bring the person to eternal life. Works of wickedness bring the person to condemnation.

    In our zeal for advancing the concept of Divine grace we have wiped out the New Testament stress on righteous behavior. The result of our error has been the destruction of the Church of Christ. The people do not live righteously today because they have been taught that God is concerned only with our “making a decision for” His Son, not with how we behave.

    Could there be a more deadly error than this?—one more opposed to all Christ represents? Could any device of Satan be more effective in blotting out the testimony of the churches?

    There is a wicked, blind, proselytizing error throughout Christianity. The notion that lukewarm church-attenders because they profess belief in Jesus will be carried to beds of bliss in Paradise, while ignorant people and babies will burn in the Lake of Fire for eternity because they never heard of Jesus, is one symptom of this blind, pharisaic spirit.

    If we hear the Gospel we must accept Jesus and be baptized in water, repenting of our sins. If we hear the Gospel and do not do this we come under condemnation. No amount of good works on our part will avail to permit our entrance into eternal life if we reject the Lord Jesus when He is presented to us.

    Also we must, after receiving Jesus, practice the good works of the Kingdom of God. We must walk in righteousness and holiness, obeying God, showing mercy and humility in our attitude and behavior. If we do not do this we stand in danger of having our name blotted out of the Book of Life.

    He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. (Revelation 3:5)

    The statement “I will not blot out his name out of the book of life” reveals clearly that it is possible for a member of the golden lampstand, the church of Christ, to have his or her name blotted from the Book of Life.

    It is not that we add to our salvation by practicing righteousness or that we earn our salvation. Rather it is that the salvation in Christ always produces and is accompanied by righteous, holy, and obedient behavior. Whoever truly is in Christ is a new creation, a righteous creation. If this is not the case, if there is little or none of the fruit that always accompanies true salvation, then we have received the grace of God in vain. We still are in our sins.

    By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. (I Corinthians 15:2)

    It is possible to believe in vain!

    We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. (II Corinthians 6:1)

    If we do not truly repent and serve the Lord, our receiving of Jesus, the sweeping of uncleanness out of our “house,” has done little more than prepare the way for seven devils worse than the first to enter us.

    Faith apart from works of righteousness is dead!—absolutely dead! It is worse than worthless because the Christian faith apart from righteous works tends to destroy our natural adamic integrity, making us as salt that has lost its taste. We become good for nothing in the world.

    God’s people of today must be warned of the fact that God will not acquit the wicked. The place for rebels against God is the Lake of Fire. We cannot use our profession of belief in Jesus as a legal maneuver with which to outwit God so we can practice wickedness and inherit eternal life. This is what many Christians are doing today and they will reap what they are sowing. God cannot be mocked.

    We must believe, be baptized, and then practice righteousness, love mercy, and walk humbly with God. Anything other than this will bring chastening on us and may place in jeopardy our very salvation.

    The person who never has heard the Gospel will be judged according to his understanding of God’s will, his conscience being a help in this regard. If he is a good person, practicing righteousness, behaving honorably, not harming his fellow man, he will inherit eternal life. If he aids the Lord’s saints he will be blessed of the Lord.

    He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward. (Matthew 10:41)

    The Gospel has been given so the poor of the world, especially those who walk humbly before God, can inherit eternal life. This is the Good News.

    We gain eternal life by walking righteously as the Lord Jesus enables us. We have stated previously that we are required to receive Christ if we have been presented with the Gospel. If we reject the Lord Jesus, no amount of godly behavior will qualify us for eternal life. On
    the other hand, a profession of belief in Christ will not qualify us for eternal life if we do not turn away from our wicked behavior and live to please the Lord.

    Let us see if the Scripture teaches us that good works will qualify us to enter life.

    Speaking of the second resurrection, that which will take place at the end of the thousand-year period, the Apostle Paul states that this day will be the “day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God” (Romans 2:5).

    Then the Apostle continues to describe how the Lord will judge every man according to his works:

    Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: (Romans 2:6,7)

    How do we gain eternal life? By patient continuance in well doing.

    There is no other way.

    But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, (Romans 2:8)

    What will happen to us, Christian or not, if we obey unrighteousness?

    We will experience Divine indignation and wrath.

    Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; (Romans 2:9)

    Every person who practices evil, who engages in adultery, fornication, lying, stealing, occult practices, pride, covetousness, drunkenness, malice, hatred, will be paid in tribulation and anguish whether he is a Jew, a Gentile, or a Christian. There is no respect of persons with God. God judges all equitably.

    But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: (Romans 2:10)

    What will be given to the person who works good? He will receive glory, honor, and peace, whether he is a Jew, a Gentile, a Christian, or of any other race or creed.

    Christians have ignored and perverted this clear teaching of the Apostle Paul. The result has been the moral destruction of the Christian churches. They are worthless as witnesses of the Person, will, way, eternal purpose, and Kingdom of Almighty God.

    God will not have fellowship with the doer of evil works whether or not the individual professes faith in Christ.

    For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (Romans 2:12)

    We think we are in harmony with the Apostle Paul when we state that as many as have sinned in the Gospel will be judged by the Gospel. The Gospel of Christ states in many passages that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God (Galatians 5:21, for example).

    Every person who is raised in the second resurrection will be judged according to his works. Those who have practiced righteousness will be permitted to live on the new earth. They will inherit the Kingdom of God. They will be permitted to enter through the gates of the new Jerusalem and eat of the tree of life (Revelation 22:14).

    The wicked never will be permitted past the walls of the new Jerusalem.

    The judgment of the people of the sheep and goat nations is an example of how the Lord Jesus will judge people according to their works.

    All nations will be gathered before the Lord Jesus. They will be raised from the dead and will stand before the white throne of Christ.

    Some of the people Christ will place at His right hand. Some of them He will place at His left hand.

    Those at His right hand have treated Christ’s brothers with kindness. They have practiced righteousness.

    Those at Christ’s left hand did not treat the saints with kindness. They practiced wickedness during their life on the earth. They despised the elect, God’s witnesses, and lived in pleasure.

    To the righteous it is given to enter the Kingdom of God, into eternal life.

    But the wicked shall be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

    Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: (Matthew 25:34)

    Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: (Matthew 25:41)

    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (Matthew 25:46)

    It is clear in the New Testament that those who practice righteousness will enter eternal life. Those who practice evil will be assigned to torment.

    Men have changed the Gospel of grace into an alternate route to eternal life, into a means of having fellowship with God while we continue in lawlessness. The purpose of the Gospel is to give us hope through the forgiveness of our sins, and then to provide many Divine helps and guidances so we can learn to lead a righteous and holy life.

    In the New Testament, as well as in the Old, life always is associated with righteousness. Eternal death always is associated with sin and rebellion against God. Christ did not come to make us righteous by imputation (ascribed righteousness), except as a beginning blessing so we may find and start on the narrow, pressured way that leads to eternal life.

    The wages of sin always is death. The gift of God is eternal life. The gift of eternal life is not like a gift of money. The gift of eternal life is the gift of an opportunity to follow Christ to the attainment to life.

    But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. (Romans 6:22)

    The “end” of holiness is everlasting life. The outcome of sanctification is eternal life.

    God never confers the fullness of eternal life on a sinner. Rather, God forgives the sinner and touches him with the Spirit of God, which is a promise of a fuller redemption to come in the future if the sinner continues to abide in Jesus. The sinner then is able to choose to live a righteous, holy, and obedient life. It is the practice of living in righteousness that brings the fullness of life into the personality.

    The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. (John 10:10)

    Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. (I Timothy 6:12)

    The righteousness of the blood of the Lord Jesus applied to our account makes it possible for God to put Divine life into our personality. But after that, the believer must choose to follow the Spirit of God into the righteous ways of the Lord.

    If he does not follow the Spirit but chooses instead to live in the appetites of the flesh, he will lose the eternal life that had been given to him.

    For if ye live in the appetites of the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify [put to death] the deeds of the body, ye shall live. (Romans 8:13)

    The darkness and death he has chosen will overcome his personality. He had been given life initially because of his receiving of Christ, but he has chosen to walk in death rather than in the life that had been given to him as a gift. He will die spiritually as a result of his choice.

    Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. (Romans 6:12,13)

    The Gospel of the Kingdom, of salvation, is preached in terms of the promise and warning of the second resurrection. It is at the second resurrection that men will enter eternal life or else into eternal torment. The great mass of earth’s people will be raised from the dead at the second resurrection—that which will occur at the termination of the thousand-year period.

    And many of them that sleep in the dust of the eart
    h shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (Daniel 12:2)

    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (Matthew 25:46)

    And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. (John 5:29)

    http://www.wor.org/Books/r/Reqments.htm

    #318325
    2besee
    Participant

    oops, I didn't realize that was so long sorry

    #318332
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ Oct. 31 2012,21:22)
    oops, I didn't realize that was so long sorry


    Excellent post 2Beesee.

    The first fruits resurrection is for them that followed the Lamb wheresoever he goeth,the sealed.They are not defiled with women(false religion),they are virgins in spirit,never have bowed down to idols.(rev.14:4).

    Only they know the new song. (they have seen the big picture).verse3.

    Then the rest that have gone through tribulations and have not received the mark of the beast, will aso be resurrected,soon after the tribulation.
    This is all in the first resurrection.

    They will reign with Christ for a 1000yrs,over the jews only that have been brought back by election of all generations.
    1kings.19:18. Jr.31:15–17. Romans 11:4.–7.
    And in turn they also will teach the gentiles outside the kingdom,and also the christians that did not made it in the first resurrection.;they are shut out from the kingdom.

    There will be gnashing of teeth,and wailing.

    wakeup.

    #318438
    2besee
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup I actually didn't write that post I was only quoting it. The link to the full text which also includes the first resurrection is in that same post. God bless.

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