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Quote (2besee @ Nov. 11 2012,11:58) Hi Devlolution and Wakeup, I haven't ignored your posts just will eventually get around to answering them! Still studying.
2Beesee.Good idea, dont just believe,but always check.
Ask many questions,and confirm with scriptures.
May the Holy spirit guide you all the way.wakeup.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 11 2012,12:48) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 10 2012,15:30) B,tharta. You are avoiding my question.
1.Where was the qur'an in Jesus days;to be preached?
2. Did the apostles wrote the qur'an? NO.
3. The gospel of the kingdom,is NOT the qur'an?
4. Jesus did not preach the qur'an,BUT the gospels.
5. The apostles did not teach the qur'an,BUT the gospels.
6. The apostles never mentioned a prophet called mohamad.
7.Paul is multi lingual;he never mentioned allah.
8. They never mentioned the holy city mecca.
9.They never mentioned to pray facing mecca.
10.They never mentioned the yearly hudge.
11. The prophecies never mentioned allah,or mohamad.
12. Yhvh,does not translate to allah.
13. Jesus called his God,Father,and we christians do the
same.
14. Jesus teach to pray in private: mohamad teach to pray
in the open, to be seen by many.
15. Jesus teach that he is the only door to God; mohamad
says NO NOT TRUE.
16. Mohamad teach to just submit; Jesus teach that we
must seek and eat his flesh.
17. The holy bible is inspired by the holy spirit.
The qur'an is inspired by an angel.
18. The holy bible is the word of God,and Jesus *IS* the
WORD.of God;of which you agree that he is.
But disagree with the bible??THE QUR'AN; IS NOT THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM TO BE PREACHED INTO ALL THE WORLD.
The little book in Gods right hand can only be opened by the Lamb that was slain for the world
Jesus Christ will come again in glory,with his saints.
And mohamad will not be amongst them.wakeup.
Revelation 10:7-10King James Version (KJV)
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Did you ever read about this little book?
You seemed to think that after the crucifixion the mystery of God was finished but these verses say there was more to come.
Each Prophet that preaches to a people is the only way to God who was another way in the day of Moses? If you did not go through Moses in that day you were not going to be in a covenant with God.
You say that the Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit and the Quran was inspired by an Angel? Okay so let me stop here and ask you one simple question. Is a Holy Angel a Holy Spirit?
Yes or No?
B,tharta.Please take note:
The first trumpet/First vial, will not start untill the mark/number, will be forced upon the people.
Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the *MARK OF THE BEAST*, and upon them which worshipped his image. ( the mark is already in progress).
1.2.3.4.5.one after the other, pouring out the vials,up on the earth;sea;rivers;the sun and moon;up on the seat of the beast;10horned beast;this is the 8th beast that *WILL* come out of the bottomless pit).
The 6th trumpet/vial is the gathering of the nations for the great war.
The 7th trumpet/vial is poured out into the air; this is the second coming. The END of the system of things.(babylon the great). The mystery will be finished here.
——————————————————————-The angel is not the Holy spirit,and the Holy spirit is not an angel. At pantecost there were NO angels involved,but the Holy spirit;The spirit of truth.
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2012,12:51) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 11 2012,01:43) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2012,22:12) Hi Wakeup, What's your question?
God bless
Ed J
EDj.one more time.
How about all; both rich and poor small and great,rich and poor,free and bond???
how would you inrepret this?
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup, I already told you…That refers to those who are under the control of the Eighth Empire.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.The 8th beast will controle the whole planet earth,and this includes the muslem world.
ALL means ALL: NO *MAN* CAN BUY OR SELL.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2012,13:03) Hi BD, The quran is a big book of garbage.
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
wow, your arguments have descended lower and lower. I guess you only spew hatred and garbage.Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 11 2012,14:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 11 2012,12:48) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 10 2012,15:30) B,tharta. You are avoiding my question.
1.Where was the qur'an in Jesus days;to be preached?
2. Did the apostles wrote the qur'an? NO.
3. The gospel of the kingdom,is NOT the qur'an?
4. Jesus did not preach the qur'an,BUT the gospels.
5. The apostles did not teach the qur'an,BUT the gospels.
6. The apostles never mentioned a prophet called mohamad.
7.Paul is multi lingual;he never mentioned allah.
8. They never mentioned the holy city mecca.
9.They never mentioned to pray facing mecca.
10.They never mentioned the yearly hudge.
11. The prophecies never mentioned allah,or mohamad.
12. Yhvh,does not translate to allah.
13. Jesus called his God,Father,and we christians do the
same.
14. Jesus teach to pray in private: mohamad teach to pray
in the open, to be seen by many.
15. Jesus teach that he is the only door to God; mohamad
says NO NOT TRUE.
16. Mohamad teach to just submit; Jesus teach that we
must seek and eat his flesh.
17. The holy bible is inspired by the holy spirit.
The qur'an is inspired by an angel.
18. The holy bible is the word of God,and Jesus *IS* the
WORD.of God;of which you agree that he is.
But disagree with the bible??THE QUR'AN; IS NOT THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM TO BE PREACHED INTO ALL THE WORLD.
The little book in Gods right hand can only be opened by the Lamb that was slain for the world
Jesus Christ will come again in glory,with his saints.
And mohamad will not be amongst them.wakeup.
Revelation 10:7-10King James Version (KJV)
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Did you ever read about this little book?
You seemed to think that after the crucifixion the mystery of God was finished but these verses say there was more to come.
Each Prophet that preaches to a people is the only way to God who was another way in the day of Moses? If you did not go through Moses in that day you were not going to be in a covenant with God.
You say that the Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit and the Quran was inspired by an Angel? Okay so let me stop here and ask you one simple question. Is a Holy Angel a Holy Spirit?
Yes or No?
B,tharta.Please take note:
The first trumpet/First vial, will not start untill the mark/number, will be forced upon the people.
Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the *MARK OF THE BEAST*, and upon them which worshipped his image. ( the mark is already in progress).
1.2.3.4.5.one after the other, pouring out the vials,up on the earth;sea;rivers;the sun and moon;up on the seat of the beast;10horned beast;this is the 8th beast that *WILL* come out of the bottomless pit).
The 6th trumpet/vial is the gathering of the nations for the great war.
The 7th trumpet/vial is poured out into the air; this is the second coming. The END of the system of things.(babylon the great). The mystery will be finished here.
——————————————————————-The angel is not the Holy spirit,and the Holy spirit is not an angel. At pantecost there were NO angels involved,but the Holy spirit;The spirit of truth.
wakeup.
Notice the angel has the open book so this has nothing to do with the scroll of the lamb. But you still have not answered my QuestionsAre Angels “Spirit”
Are Angels “Holy”
Are angels “Holy Spirits”
Are the 7 spirits of God “Holy”
Revelation 4:5
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.Just Askin
Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 11 2012,15:09) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 11 2012,11:58) Hi Devlolution and Wakeup, I haven't ignored your posts just will eventually get around to answering them! Still studying.
2Beesee.Good idea, dont just believe,but always check.
Ask many questions,and confirm with scriptures.
May the Holy spirit guide you all the way.wakeup.
Thank you Wakeup.Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 11 2012,13:09) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 11 2012,11:58) Hi Devlolution and Wakeup, I haven't ignored your posts just will eventually get around to answering them! Still studying.
2Beesee.Good idea, dont just believe,but always check.
Ask many questions,and confirm with scriptures.
May the Holy spirit guide you all the way.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,I agree.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 12 2012,09:57) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2012,13:03) Hi BD, The quran is a big book of garbage.
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
wow, your arguments have descended lower and lower. I guess you only spew hatred and garbage.
Hi BD,No, I'm here to discuss “Truth” with you, are you not interested?
Pointing out that the quran is a 'book of fraud' is one such truth.Häl-läl Ĕl-äh-hä
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 12 2012,11:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 12 2012,09:57) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2012,13:03) Hi BD, The quran is a big book of garbage.
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
wow, your arguments have descended lower and lower. I guess you only spew hatred and garbage.
Hi BD,No, I'm here to discuss “Truth” with you, are you not interested?
Pointing out that the quran is a 'book of fraud' is one such truth.Häl-läl Ĕl-äh-hä
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
You just say it isn't the truth because you don't want to hear the truth. It has been years and you will still post things you know the Quran doesn't say that makes you a false witnessQuote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 12 2012,14:07) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 12 2012,11:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 12 2012,09:57) Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 11 2012,13:03) Hi BD, The quran is a big book of garbage.
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
wow, your arguments have descended lower and lower. I guess you only spew hatred and garbage.
Hi BD,No, I'm here to discuss “Truth” with you, are you not interested?
Pointing out that the quran is a 'book of fraud' is one such truth.Häl-läl Ĕl-äh-hä
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
You just say it isn't the truth because you don't want to hear the truth. It has been years and you will still post things you know the Quran doesn't say that makes you a false witness
I'm a witness for “JEHOVAH GOD”, not the quran.Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 12 2012,10:52) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 11 2012,13:09) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 11 2012,11:58) Hi Devlolution and Wakeup, I haven't ignored your posts just will eventually get around to answering them! Still studying.
2Beesee.Good idea, dont just believe,but always check.
Ask many questions,and confirm with scriptures.
May the Holy spirit guide you all the way.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,I agree.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.MAny shall come in my name saying; I m Christ; and shall deceive many.
Watch ye therefore.
wakeup
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 12 2012,10:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 11 2012,14:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 11 2012,12:48) Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 10 2012,15:30) B,tharta. You are avoiding my question.
1.Where was the qur'an in Jesus days;to be preached?
2. Did the apostles wrote the qur'an? NO.
3. The gospel of the kingdom,is NOT the qur'an?
4. Jesus did not preach the qur'an,BUT the gospels.
5. The apostles did not teach the qur'an,BUT the gospels.
6. The apostles never mentioned a prophet called mohamad.
7.Paul is multi lingual;he never mentioned allah.
8. They never mentioned the holy city mecca.
9.They never mentioned to pray facing mecca.
10.They never mentioned the yearly hudge.
11. The prophecies never mentioned allah,or mohamad.
12. Yhvh,does not translate to allah.
13. Jesus called his God,Father,and we christians do the
same.
14. Jesus teach to pray in private: mohamad teach to pray
in the open, to be seen by many.
15. Jesus teach that he is the only door to God; mohamad
says NO NOT TRUE.
16. Mohamad teach to just submit; Jesus teach that we
must seek and eat his flesh.
17. The holy bible is inspired by the holy spirit.
The qur'an is inspired by an angel.
18. The holy bible is the word of God,and Jesus *IS* the
WORD.of God;of which you agree that he is.
But disagree with the bible??THE QUR'AN; IS NOT THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM TO BE PREACHED INTO ALL THE WORLD.
The little book in Gods right hand can only be opened by the Lamb that was slain for the world
Jesus Christ will come again in glory,with his saints.
And mohamad will not be amongst them.wakeup.
Revelation 10:7-10King James Version (KJV)
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
Did you ever read about this little book?
You seemed to think that after the crucifixion the mystery of God was finished but these verses say there was more to come.
Each Prophet that preaches to a people is the only way to God who was another way in the day of Moses? If you did not go through Moses in that day you were not going to be in a covenant with God.
You say that the Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit and the Quran was inspired by an Angel? Okay so let me stop here and ask you one simple question. Is a Holy Angel a Holy Spirit?
Yes or No?
B,tharta.Please take note:
The first trumpet/First vial, will not start untill the mark/number, will be forced upon the people.
Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the *MARK OF THE BEAST*, and upon them which worshipped his image. ( the mark is already in progress).
1.2.3.4.5.one after the other, pouring out the vials,up on the earth;sea;rivers;the sun and moon;up on the seat of the beast;10horned beast;this is the 8th beast that *WILL* come out of the bottomless pit).
The 6th trumpet/vial is the gathering of the nations for the great war.
The 7th trumpet/vial is poured out into the air; this is the second coming. The END of the system of things.(babylon the great). The mystery will be finished here.
——————————————————————-The angel is not the Holy spirit,and the Holy spirit is not an angel. At pantecost there were NO angels involved,but the Holy spirit;The spirit of truth.
wakeup.
Notice the angel has the open book so this has nothing to do with the scroll of the lamb. But you still have not answered my QuestionsAre Angels “Spirit”
Are Angels “Holy”
Are angels “Holy Spirits”
Are the 7 spirits of God “Holy”
Revelation 4:5
And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.Just Askin
B,tharta.Revelation 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of HIM THAT SAT ON THE THRONE a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
That HIM is God: not an angel.
Angels are spirit and angels are holy.
The Holy spirit are not angels: the FATHER ;the SON;the HOLY SPIRIT. Not the holy angels; but the Holy spirit.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
I don't believe any of those people said they were Christ, did they?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Devolution @ Nov. 09 2012,22:44) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 09 2012,17:53) Hi Wakeup,
I follow exactly what Jesus and the Disciples have said. If the verses which you and others have PUT into Revelations are not there, then I will read them as not being there, because that is what it says – do not add to nor take away from.When Jesus comes back, all will be destroyed and only some will be left standing (The Chosen).
And you still haven't answered me (I don't think)…. How will you know that the “Jesus” who (IYO) will sit on a literal throne in Jerusalem will be the REAL Jesus?
2besse,Quote When Jesus comes back, all will be destroyed and only some will be left standing (The Chosen). Then why does revelation say this:
Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.Read carefully, these are not the “chosen”, as you put it, being ruled over!
This chapter concerns the 2nd coming & events following it.
You need to identify the “them” being spoken of here.
Because these are of “them” who are to be ruled over by Christ when He returns…and ruled with a rod of iron at that!!Read Zechariah ch14 for a clearer understanding, then tell me:
1- who the heathen are that Christ will be ruling over after His 2nd coming.
2- what heathen means.
Thank you.
Devolution,
Martin Luther said of Zechariah 14, “Here, in this chapter, I give up. For I am not sure what the prophet is talking about.” I know the feeling!!!With a little help, Quote:
“If the preterist/partial preterist interpretation is correct, then chapter 14 is a prophecy of AD70. All the nations (the Roman Empire) came to fight against Jerusalem. The city was severely defeated (2) leaving half of the survivors exiled. God, who had protected Jerusalem during the Maccabean period, now removed His presence from the temple and city and resided, so to speak, on the Mount of Olives to watch His sovereign Judgment (like He had when Babylon destroyed Jerusalem, Ezekiel 11:23).
Some, however, would remain part of Jerusalem, but, according to this interpretation, in a new way. No longer would they be part of a physical Jerusalem (no longer possible seeing as how it is utterly defeated), but they were now part of a spiritual Jerusalem (the city of God's people, the church). They would have access to living water (not literal water, but the Holy Spirit, see John 7:37-39). They would be part of the eternal Kingdom of God, a Kingdom that would remain secure forever. Subsequently, many enemies of the new Jerusalem would attack, but none would prevail against it. In fact, many of the enemies (gentiles) will become citizens of the new Jerusalem. In this kingdom, even the most mundane objects will be holy to the Lord. This seems to be a beautiful prophetic image of the church.”
Quote again from another discussion,
'These verses also use the phrase 'Day of the Lord'; but they weren't intended to be applied to a final endtime 2nd-Coming of Christ.
They were applied to the events of their Day in ancient history, long before the nativity in Bethlehem.
So it isn't accurate, to lump all 'Day of the Lord' phrases, as being only the future day when Christ returns.Isaiah Chapters 1-3
1:1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.
2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan, And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up, And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall, And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
3:1 For, behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water.The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was the upcoming Captivity because of idolatry.
Isaiah 13-14
13:1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
14:1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. “The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was the destruction of Babylon, and the return of Israel to their Land as recorded by Nehemiah and Ezra.
Isaiah 45-46
“45:1 The word that Jeremiah the prophet spake unto Baruch the son of Neriah, when he had written these words in a book at the mouth of Jeremiah, in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, saying, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, unto thee, O Baruch: Thou didst say, Woe is me now! for the LORD hath added grief to my sorrow; I fainted in my sighing, and I find no rest. Thus shalt thou say unto him, The LORD saith thus; Behold, that which I have built will I break down, and that which I have planted I will pluck up, even this whole land. And seekest thou great things for thyself? seek them not: for, behold, I will bring evil upon all flesh, saith the LORD: but thy life will I give unto thee for a prey in all places whither thou goest.
46:1 The word of the LORD which came to Jeremiah the prophet against the Gentiles; Against Egypt, against the army of Pharaohnecho king of Egypt, which was by the river Euphrates in Carchemish, which Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon smote in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah. Order ye the buckler and shield, and draw near to battle. Harness the horses; and get up, ye horsemen, and stand forth with your helmets; furbish the spears, and put on the brigandines. Wherefore have I seen them dismayed and turned away back? and their mighty ones are beaten down, and are fled apace, and look not back: for fear was round about, saith the LORD. Let not the swift flee away, nor the mighty man escape; they shall stumble, and fall toward the north by the river Euphrates. Who is this that cometh up as a flood, whose waters are moved as the rivers? Egypt riseth up like a flood, and his waters are moved like the rivers; and he saith, I will go up, and will cover the earth; I will destroy the city and the inhabitants thereof. Come up, ye horses; and rage, ye chariots; and let the mighty men come forth; the Ethiopians and the Libyans, that handle the shield; and the Lydians, that handle and bend the bow. For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates. Go up into Gilead, and take balm, O virgin, the daughter of Egypt: in vain shalt thou use many medicines; for thou shalt not be cured. The nations have heard of thy shame, and thy cry hath filled the land: for the mighty man hath stumbled against the mighty, and they are fallen both together. The word that the LORD spake to Jeremiah the prophet, how Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon should come and smite the land of Egypt. “The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was the ancient attack of King Nebuchadnezzar's army upon the Egyptians under King Pharoahnecho.
Ezekiel 13:1 “And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken? Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD. Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD.”
The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was the false-prophets during the time of the Babylonian captivity circa 500 B.C., and their destruction.
Amos 5:17 “And in all vineyards shall be wailing: for I will pass through thee, saith the LORD. Woe
unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts. Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols. But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream. Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel? But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts. “The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was Amos prophesying about the impending Babylonian captivity.
Obadiah 1:15 “For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head. For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been. But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions. And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it. And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead. And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south. “
The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was Obadiah prophesying about the eventual return from Babylonian captivity.
Malachi 4:5 Behold, “I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD”
The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was Malachi prophesying of John the Baptist, who would come within the next 400 years.
Matthew 11:13-14 “until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elijah, which was for to come.”
Matthew 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, I say unto you, That Eliajah is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.”There may be other examples, where the phrase 'Day of the Lord' is found in the Bible, not referring to the 2nd Coming, but rather to a past, historic event….those are just a few examples.'………unquote
Quote (2besee @ Nov. 12 2012,18:39) Quote again from another discussion, 'These verses also use the phrase 'Day of the Lord'; but they weren't intended to be applied to a final endtime 2nd-Coming of Christ.
They were applied to the events of their Day in ancient history, long before the nativity in Bethlehem.
So it isn't accurate, to lump all 'Day of the Lord' phrases, as being only the future day when Christ returns.Isaiah Chapters 1-3
1:1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.
2:1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan, And upon all the high mountains, and upon all the hills that are lifted up, And upon every high tower, and upon every fenced wall, And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.
3:1 For, behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water.The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was the upcoming Captivity because of idolatry.
Isaiah 13-14
13:1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
14:1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. “The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was the destruction of Babylon, and the return of Israel to their Land as recorded by Nehemiah and Ezra.
Isaiah 45-46
“45:1 The word that Jeremiah the prophet spake unto Baruch the son of Neriah, when he had written these words in a book at the mouth of Jeremiah, in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, saying, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, unto thee, O Baruch: Thou didst say, Woe is me now! for the LORD hath added grief to my sorrow; I fainted in my sighing, and I find no rest. Thus shalt thou say unto him, The LORD saith thus; Behold, that which I have built will I break down, and that which I have planted I will pluck up, even this whole land. And seekest thou great things for thyself? seek them not: for, behold, I will bring evil upon all flesh, saith the LORD: but thy life will I give unto thee for a prey in all places whither thou goest.
46:1 The word of the LORD which came to Jeremiah the prophet against the Gentiles; Against Egypt, against the army of Pharaohnecho king of Egypt, which was by the river Euphrates in Carchemish, which Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon smote in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah. Order ye the buckler and shield, and draw near to battle. Harness the horses; and get up, ye horsemen, and stand forth with your helmets; furbish the spears, and put on the brigandines. Wherefore have I seen them dismayed and turned away back? and their mighty ones are beaten down, and are fled apace, and look not back: for fear was round about, saith the LORD. Let not the swift flee away, nor the mighty man escape; they shall stumble, and fall toward the north by the river Euphrates. Who is this that cometh up as a flood, whose waters are moved as the rivers? Egypt riseth up like a flood, and his waters are moved like the rivers; and he saith, I will go up, and will cover the earth; I will destroy the city and the inhabitants thereof. Come up, ye horses; and rage, ye chariots; and let the mighty men come forth; the Ethiopians and the Libyans, that handle the shield; and the Lydians, that handle and bend the bow. For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates. Go up into Gilead, and take balm, O virgin, the daughter of Egypt: in vain shalt thou use many medicines; for thou shalt not be cured. The nations have heard of thy shame, and thy cry hath filled the land: for the mighty man hath stumbled against the mighty, and they are fallen both together. The word that the LORD spake to Jeremiah the prophet, how Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon should come and smite the land of Egypt. “The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was the ancient attack of King Nebuchadnezzar's army upon the Egyptians under King Pharoahnecho.
Ezekiel 13:1 “And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing! O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts. Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD. They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word. Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken? Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD. And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD. Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it; To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD.”
The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was th
e false-prophets during the time of the Babylonian captivity circa 500 B.C., and their destruction.Amos 5:17 “And in all vineyards shall be wailing: for I will pass through thee, saith the LORD. Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light. As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him. Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it? I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies. Though ye offer me burnt offerings and your meat offerings, I will not accept them: neither will I regard the peace offerings of your fat beasts. Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols. But let judgment run down as waters, and righteousness as a mighty stream. Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel? But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts. “
The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was Amos prophesying about the impending Babylonian captivity.
Obadiah 1:15 “For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head. For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been. But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions. And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it. And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead. And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south. “
The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was Obadiah prophesying about the eventual return from Babylonian captivity.
Malachi 4:5 Behold, “I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD”
The context of 'the day of the Lord' above, was Malachi prophesying of John the Baptist, who would come within the next 400 years.
Matthew 11:13-14 “until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elijah, which was for to come.”
Matthew 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, I say unto you, That Eliajah is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.”There may be other examples, where the phrase 'Day of the Lord' is found in the Bible, not referring to the 2nd Coming, but rather to a past, historic event….those are just a few examples.'………unquote
Hi 2Besee,Who is this post to?
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http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Nov. 12 2012,18:40) Stick to the NT..
Hi 2Besee,And who is this post to?
God bless
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