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[Devolution]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,07:47)

Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,07:40) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,06:07) Hi Ed, Quote Muhammad is the false prophet. (Rev.13:11) Quote He made false fire (the quran) come down from heaven in the sight of men. (Rev.13:13) Ed, you left out that he did great wonders Did Muhammad do great wonders? God bless. Hi Devolution, “And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men” (Rev 13:13) The great wonders are making of fire come down. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed,

Did Muhammad get his doctrine from heaven now Ed?
It does say he made fire come down FROM HEAVEN!!

Please address the above and the other points so we can all see how your doctrine stands up scripturally to those challenges.

Thanks Ed.

[Ed J]

Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,07:50)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,06:25) Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,06:22) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,05:07) Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 12 2012,14:16) STOP IT ED, YOU ARE RUINING IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE ruining what? Hi Ed, Nearly Every post on this prophecy section has you bringing up Muhammad being the beast, pages and pages of it on just about every post, and its making it extremely difficult for others to find their own conversations when every post looks the same…Muhammad, Muhammad, Muhammad!! Anyway Ed, sorry I got grumpy with you, maybe try not to flood multiple posts with pages of the same argument when it's not the topic. That's all I meant by ruining it for everybody else, because in reality, this site would be far less enjoyable without you, even though I think some of your interpretations are up with the fairies   So again brother, I apologise for getting grumpy….must be my broken ribs giving me a short fuse!! God bless. Hi Devolution It was you uncle who was asking me the very same questions on nearly every thread. I pointed this out to him and now you are blaming me for it?   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, Then you're both guilty as charged!!   You got the stern warning, and Wakeup will get a soft….suggestion   Don't take it to heart Ed….but at the same time, don't shrug it off!! God bless.

Hi Devolution,

We should all try to stay on the topic of each individual thread.
It will usually diverge from time to time, then we need to:

1. Start a new thread.   -or-  
2. Quickly make the point and get back to the topic at hand.

This is what I do and I hope you too.

Cheers
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,07:59)

Hi Ed, Did Muhammad get his doctrine from heaven now Ed? It does say he made fire come down FROM HEAVEN!! Please address the above and the other points so we can all see how your doctrine stands up scripturally to those challenges. Thanks Ed.

Hi Devolution,

The 'book of fraud' is reported to have been given by Gabriel, but it was really delivered by satan!
It's vital to understand that the 'book of fraud'(=quran book) teaches against The Gospel's message.

Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you
into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there
be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we,
or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have
preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any
man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

2Cor.11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if [Satan's ministers] also be transformed as the
ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Devolution]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,07:59)

Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,07:40) Hi Ed, Quote (3)nor regard any god: (1)Muhammad regarded Allah Ed. Quote for he shall magnify himself above all. (2)Muhammad never magnified himself above Allah Ed. Quote But in his estate shall he honor the God of forces: (5)and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. He shall trust in his power Ed, he trusts in riches and chariots which naturally increase the more power/wealth one has. (3)Ed, Tell me, what empire were the legs on king Nebs dream statue? God bless. Hi Devolution, 1) Context my friend… “Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god” (Daniel 11:39) 2) Muhammad magnified his words above all, calling them from 'al-Lah' (his strange god). 3) Roman Empire. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed,

If scripture says that he regards NO god….what does that mean?
It means NO GOD!!

so what can it mean then when scripture then turns around and says that he DOES regard a god?

Has God made a boo boo?

Or, is God telling us what he means by “god” by mentioning those material things within the message?…gold, precious things etc…or better said, what will be the god of ones own heart, which is not really a god, but is in place of God , thus being something personally exalted in absence of this:

Matthew 22:37
   Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Whatever takes Gods place in ones heart, 1st place, becomes that persons god!! Anything that is first in ones heart where God should be.

So when we see scripture explaining that this “god” is advanced by riches and power and strong holds, then it is speaking of not only what is in this mans heart but also of those very things that he has attained and thus glorified…his riches and his power that he has.

God bless.

[Wakeup]

Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,07:40)

Ed wrote: [/quote] Hi Ed, Quote Muhammad is the false prophet. (Rev.13:11) Quote He made false fire (the quran) come down from heaven in the sight of men. (Rev.13:13) Ed, you left out that he did great wonders Did Muhammad do great wonders? Quote The Apostle John said: He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (1John 2:22)                                  Islam says: 'al-Lah' has no son. Yes Ed, islam is antichrist, but so is Bhuddism, Shinto, Hindu etc Quote Daniel 11:37-39 (1)Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, But Muhammad did regard the god of his fathers Ed!! You've surely heard of the black stone and its origins? How Muhammad destroyed every idol except the black stone which is venerated even today by Muslims on their pilgrimages when they visit it and kiss it in hope of its rumoured magical powers!! That Muhammad saluted this stone and regarded it…this stone that came down from his forefathers moon god, you know, the god Muhammad regarded just like his tribe did, just like his fathers did. Hmmm. Quote (2)nor the desire of women, Revelation 17:3    So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. Revelation 17:18    And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Revelation 12:1    And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: Jeremiah 6:2    I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman. Revelation 12:17    And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Isaiah 66:7-9    Before she travailed, she brought forth, before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. Who hath heard such a thing? Who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as ZION travailed, SHE brought forth HER children See Ed, woman has a specific meaning metaphorically. Quote (3)nor regard any god: Muhammad regarded Allah Ed. Quote for he shall magnify himself above all. Muhammad never magnified himself above Allah Ed. Quote But in his estate shall he honor the God of forces: (5)and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. He shall trust in his power Ed, he trusts in riches and chariots which naturally increase the more power/wealth one has. Ed, Tell me, what empire were the legs on king Nebs dream statue? God bless.

Big bump for ed.
But still will not see.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Hi Wakeup,

I responded to that post already.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Devolution]

Ok Ed,

What about the miracles he did in the sight of men?

The only miracle Muhammad ever did according to islam, is ride his donkey up to Allah!….um….unfortunately it was a “miracle” done at night and….um….nobody actually saw it!!
Except of course the donkey!!
The donkey saw it!!

So miracles Ed…what miracles did Muhammad do in the sight of men?

[Wakeup]

Hi Devo.

He did make fire when he was in the cave to keep himself warm,maybe his donkey also.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,08:51)

Ok Ed, What about the miracles he did in the sight of men? The only miracle Muhammad ever did according to islam, is ride his donkey up to Allah!….um….unfortunately it was a “miracle” done at night and….um….nobody actually saw it!! Except of course the donkey!! The donkey saw it!! So miracles Ed…what miracles did Muhammad do in the sight of men?

Hi Devolution,

Make fire (See Gal.1:8 & 2:Cor.11:14) come down from heaven in the sight of men.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,09:15)

Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,08:51) Ok Ed, What about the miracles he did in the sight of men? The only miracle Muhammad ever did according to islam, is ride his donkey up to Allah!….um….unfortunately it was a “miracle” done at night and….um….nobody actually saw it!! Except of course the donkey!! The donkey saw it!! So miracles Ed…what miracles did Muhammad do in the sight of men? Hi Devolution, Make fire (See Gal.1:8 & 2:Cor.11:14) come down from heaven in the sight of men. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EDJ.

What fire did mohamad make to come down from heaven?
Is it the qur'an?
This fire is physical, to show his (false prophet) power for the world to SEE.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 13 2012,11:43)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,09:15) Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,08:51) Ok Ed, What about the miracles he did in the sight of men? The only miracle Muhammad ever did according to islam, is ride his donkey up to Allah!….um….unfortunately it was a “miracle” done at night and….um….nobody actually saw it!! Except of course the donkey!! The donkey saw it!! So miracles Ed…what miracles did Muhammad do in the sight of men? Hi Devolution, Make fire (See Gal.1:8 & 2:Cor.11:14) come down from heaven in the sight of men. God bless Ed J EDJ. What fire did mohamad make to come down from heaven? Is it the qur'an? This fire is physical, to show his (false prophet) power  for the world to SEE. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,  (See Gal.1:8 & 2:Cor.11:14)

Do you not look up the verses that prove my point?     <– please answer
Yes, the (strange) fire is the quran.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,07:51)

Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,07:40) Hi Ed, Quote (2)nor the desire of women, See Ed, woman has a specific meaning metaphorically. God bless. HI Devolution, Women have no rights in islam, because islam does not regard the desire of women. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Edj

Islam do desire women.
They take them for their wives,
have sex with them, and produce children.
If this is not desire, then what is it?

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 13 2012,12:04)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,07:51) Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,07:40) Hi Ed, Quote (2)nor the desire of women, See Ed, woman has a specific meaning metaphorically. God bless. HI Devolution, Women have no rights in islam, because islam does not regard the desire of women. God bless Ed J Hi Edj Islam do desire women. They take them for their wives, have sex with them, and produce children. If this is not desire, then what is it?

Hi Georgie,

It does not say the desire for women, but the desire of women; meaning women's rights.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 13 2012,12:04)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,07:51) Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,07:40) Hi Ed, Quote (2)nor the desire of women, See Ed, woman has a specific meaning metaphorically. God bless. HI Devolution, Women have no rights in islam, because islam does not regard the desire of women. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Edj Islam do desire women. They take them for their wives, have sex with them, and produce children. If this is not desire, then what is it?

Hi j42.

I am having a hard time communicating with Ed.
He is very stiff necked.
He is one of the oppressed.(Jer.25:38.).

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 13 2012,12:12)

Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 13 2012,12:04) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,07:51) Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,07:40) Hi Ed, Quote (2)nor the desire of women, See Ed, woman has a specific meaning metaphorically. God bless. HI Devolution, Women have no rights in islam, because islam does not regard the desire of women. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Edj Islam do desire women. They take them for their wives, have sex with them, and produce children. If this is not desire, then what is it? Hi j42. I am having a hard time communicating with Ed. He is very stiff necked. He is one of the oppressed.(Jer.25:38.). wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

It does not say the desire for women, but the desire of women; meaning women's rights.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[journey42]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,12:32)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 13 2012,12:12) Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 13 2012,12:04) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,07:51) Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,07:40) Hi Ed, Quote (2)nor the desire of women, See Ed, woman has a specific meaning metaphorically. God bless. HI Devolution, Women have no rights in islam, because islam does not regard the desire of women. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Edj Islam do desire women. They take them for their wives, have sex with them, and produce children. If this is not desire, then what is it? Hi j42. I am having a hard time communicating with Ed. He is very stiff necked. He is one of the oppressed.(Jer.25:38.). wakeup. Hi Wakeup, It does not say the desire for women, but the desire of women; meaning women's rights. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Women edj

Daughters of the harlot.
Religions.
There are many of them,
he does not regard them, any religion
for he says he is God.

[Ed J]

Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 13 2012,12:56)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,12:32) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 13 2012,12:12) Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 13 2012,12:04) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,07:51) Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,07:40) Hi Ed, Quote (2)nor the desire of women, See Ed, woman has a specific meaning metaphorically. God bless. HI Devolution, Women have no rights in islam, because islam does not regard the desire of women. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Edj Islam do desire women. They take them for their wives, have sex with them, and produce children. If this is not desire, then what is it? Hi j42. I am having a hard time communicating with Ed. He is very stiff necked. He is one of the oppressed.(Jer.25:38.). wakeup. Hi Wakeup, It does not say the desire for women, but the desire of women; meaning women's rights. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Women edj Daughters of the harlot. Religions. There are many of them, he does not regard them, any religion for he says he is God.

Hi Journey,

The very next verse says this (not what you say)…
But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces:” (Dan 11:38)

What you are referring to is the 'the son of perdition' (2Thess.2:3-4), not the false prophet.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Wakeup]

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,12:32)

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 13 2012,12:12) Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 13 2012,12:04) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,07:51) Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,07:40) Hi Ed, Quote (2)nor the desire of women, See Ed, woman has a specific meaning metaphorically. God bless. HI Devolution, Women have no rights in islam, because islam does not regard the desire of women. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Edj Islam do desire women. They take them for their wives, have sex with them, and produce children. If this is not desire, then what is it? Hi j42. I am having a hard time communicating with Ed. He is very stiff necked. He is one of the oppressed.(Jer.25:38.). wakeup. Hi Wakeup, It does not say the desire for women, but the desire of women; meaning women's rights. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

EdJ.

If you only could decern the scriptures,you would have found the answer.

It says: Neither shall he regard the GOD of his fathers,
nor the desire of women(religion) ,nor regard any GOD.
For HE shal MAGNIFY HIMSELF ABOVE ALL.

Nothing to do with womens rights;but about worshipping,
him.

wakeup.

[2besee]

Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 12 2012,23:12)

Quote (t8 @ Oct. 12 2012,20:20) Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 12 2012,17:16) One reason against TV being the image of the beast is that the false prophet forces people to worship this image! So this image is going to represent/speak for this first beast and that first beast ONLY…TV is not exclusive nor does it stand for one thing and one thing only. Every nation already has its own image that speaks and acts, but these images are not THE image…because that beast has not yet come out into the open to be acknowledged yet. These images are the laws of the land…and they speak:do not kill…and they act: detain/punish the killer. Might have something to do with the Internet. Maybe people will be able to plug into it one day. The Hebrew equivalent of our “w” is the letter “vav” or “waw”. The numerical value of vav is 6. So the English “www” transliterated into Hebrew is “vav vav vav”, which numerically is 666. Also the world has run out of IP numbers because no one expected it would be so big. IPV6 comes to the rescue. This  numbering system can number every website, person, and manufactured item on Planet Earth for the rest of time (or something like that). T8. Ephesians.2:2. Wherein in time past ye walked acording to the course of this world,acording to the prince  OF THE POWER OF THE AIR,the spirit that now worked in the children of disobedience: We are showered with all kinds of frequencies,day and night, and satan has used this for his own purpose. To corrupt mankindand to cause harm to mankind;done through the air. But the children of God will use this for the good. Regarding the mark or the number: The scripture is very clear about this,for it says; it is the number of a man. and *hIS* number is,666.(rev13:18.). verse17. It says –no one might buy or sell, save he has the mark or the number of *HIS* name. This is the name of the beast that came out of the earth. The false prophet,the other beast is the 10 king empire;the new order. wakeup.

Wakeup,

Regarding this, have you ever looked into the Zionist “protocols” I think it is called, and they had a plan, years ago, and that plan was to dumb down people by means of education; entertainment; phsychiatry; and other things? Apparently, they believed in evolution and they believed that they would evolve into a higher life form as they considered themselves to be the “elite”, and they planned to use some people, as we use animals, and the rest of humanity they planned to kill off by various means, while they (the self called “elite”) waited to evolve? (That's only going from distant memory, don't quote me on that)

But if you look at how easy it is for a hypnotiser to hypnotise others… how easy do you think it would be to control the masses through various means such as through the television or through the music or even through various Internet programs?

Jesus told us to watch that we are not deceived, and what exactly does the word deceived mean? If you are being deceived, you do not know that you are being deceived. And Jesus said to watch that we are not deceived, for even the very ELECT could be deceived.

Also, another thing,
In Revelation 13, it says,  

“Then I saw another beast which rose out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon.

It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed.

It works great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in the sight of men; and by the signs which it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast, it deceives those who dwell on earth, bidding them make an image for the beast which was wounded by the sword and yet lived; and it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast so that the image of the beast should even speak, and to cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.

Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.

This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six.

Ok so, go back to the OT, to Deut 6, it says, regarding the commandments of God:

“Now this is the commandment, the statutes and the rules that the Lord your God commanded me to teach you, that you may do them in the land to which you are going over, to possess it, that you may fear the Lord your God, you and your son and your son’s son, by keeping all his statutes and his commandments, which I command you, all the days of your life, and that your days may be long. Hear therefore, O Israel, and be careful to do them, that it may go well with you, and that you may multiply greatly, as the Lord, the God of your fathers, has promised you, in a land flowing with milk and honey.

“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might. And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. You shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

Remember, Revelations is a book which is full of symbolism. The OT says to bind the commandments on the RIGHT HAND and as frontlets BETWEEN THE EYES (forehead).

Now the ten commandments of God – how many of the comandments are BROKEN by the content which is on – not ONLY the TV (which is the precursor to the Internet), but also the Internet. And also, do we not use the Internet for all of our buying and selling, to a point? Are not all of the banking systems linked up to the World Wide Web, which in Hebrew is 666?? Could there be a day when we can only buy and sell THROUGH the Net?

Just some things to think about.

Also mans number is six. Man was made on the sixth day.

God created the Heavens and the Earth and all that was in them.

MAN created the Internet, and all that was in it.

And all that is in it, is NOT good.

————–

BTW, you said the mark was IN the hand, not ON the hand, but it says in the Greek:

“It causes all the small, and the great; and the poor; and the servents that it should give them on the hand of them right, or on the forehead of them; should be able to buy or to sell, if not he who has the mark the name of the beast, or the number of the name of it the wisdom is. He who has understanding let him count the number of the beast: number indeed it is; and the number of it, six hundred sixty six.”

[2besee]

Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,09:59)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,07:47) Quote (Devolution @ Oct. 13 2012,07:40) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 13 2012,06:07) Hi Ed, Quote Muhammad is the false prophet. (Rev.13:11) Quote He made false fire (the quran) come down from heaven in the sight of men. (Rev.13:13) Ed, you left out that he did great wonders Did Muhammad do great wonders? God bless. Hi Devolution, “And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men” (Rev 13:13) The great wonders are making of fire come down. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi Ed, Did Muhammad get his doctrine from heaven now Ed? It does say he made fire come down FROM HEAVEN!! Please address the above and the other points so we can all see how your doctrine stands up scripturally to those challenges. Thanks Ed.

That could be America and other countries which make fire come down from heaven (the sky) in the site of men, by means of either bombs or what you see too on the television and the Internet.

Just saying!

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