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Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,10:28) Quote (t8 @ Oct. 10 2012,20:13) Interesting theory 2besee. But then so is Edj's and so is a 10 leader superstate of Europe.
All worth looking at, but IMO, not worth backing anyone of them yet as we need more evidence due to many possibilities.I do have a quick question for you.
What do you say about the verse that talks about being blessed for blessing Israel and being cursed for cursing them. Many think that the day the USA goes against Israel is the day that they will receive a curse for doing so. Is your take that it is talking about Old Israel.
And what of the OT prophecies that talk about the restoration of Israel. Last time I read them, they didn't appear to be condemning about this restoration.
Hi T8,Thanks!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi t8.The 10 kings is mentioned in rev.17:3.12.16.
Dan.7:7.end time beast; verse11.wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 10 2012,22:13) What do you say about the verse that talks about being blessed for blessing Israel and being cursed for cursing them. Many think that the day the USA goes against Israel is the day that they will receive a curse for doing so. Is your take that it is talking about Old Israel.
Do you mean the verse in Genesis 12:3?God said to ABRAHAM,
“I will bless them that bless you, and curse him that curses you, and in you shall all the families of the earth be blessed.”And all the families on earth were blessed through Jesus Christ.
2beesee.
only them that truly follow Jesus Christ is blessed,for they are his family.He who touch them touched the apple
of Gods eye.wakeup.
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 10 2012,22:13) And what of the OT prophecies that talk about the restoration of Israel. Last time I read them, they didn't appear to be condemning about this restoration. Ok.
Zionists do not represent Jews.
Quoted from here.
From the inception of the Zionist State and particularly in recent times, the impression has been created in the World that there is some connection between the State, which falsely calls itself Israel, and the Jewish people as a whole. Therefore, we who continue to uphold the never-changing tradition of the Jewish people find it proper to again clarify the following points:
- The Holy Land was given to the Jewish people on the condition that they observe the Torah and its commandments. When they failed to do this, their sovereignty over the land was taken from them, and they went into exile. From that time, we are prohibited by the Torah with a very grave prohibition to establish a Jewish independent sovereignty in the Holy Land or anywhere throughout the world. Rather, we are obligated to be loyal to the nations under whose protection we dwell.
- This situation has existed for close to 2000 years when the Jewish people were dispersed throughout all corners of the world. During this time, the Jews always remained faithful to the country in which they lived.
- The Jewish people are grateful to all those merciful nations which have allowed them to observe Torah and the commandments undisturbed.
- From ancient times, the relations between the Jewish and Islamic peoples have always been those of peace and brotherhood, and friendship always reigned between them. The proof of this is the fact that for centuries, in all the Arab lands, hundreds of thousands of Jews lived in honor and amidst mutual esteem.
- Jews throughout all generations yearned to grace the sacred soil of the Holy Land and to live there. However, their sole purpose was to fulfill the commandments dependent upon the land and to absorb Its holiness. Never, G-d forbid, did they have any nationalist or sovereign intent whatsoever which, as mentioned above, is forbidden to us. Indeed, also here in the Holy Land, our fathers lived in neighborly harmony with the Palestinian residents of the land, helping one another, to mutual benefit.
- Until about two hundred years ago, the vast majority of Jews observed the Torah and the commandments in entirety. Jewry's leaders were Torah scholars, who directed the people according to the Torah. They were loyal citizens in the host nations where they dwelled and to the local laws. They prayed for the welfare of their respective governments. To our sorrow, at that time a small number of Jews slowly left their observance of Torah and commandments. Together with this, they began to deride the spiritual leadership of their people. This assimilation was the basis upon which, one hundred years ago, the ideology of Zionism was born. Its founders were assimilated Jews who had abandoned the Torah.
- Immediately at the founding of the Zionist movement, masses of Jews under the leadership of their Rabbis, launched a heavy battle against Zionism. Their attack was directed not only at the non-religious Zionist idea, but rather, primarily at its opposition to the Torah-ordained path that Jewry must follow while in exile. As such, the Zionists incited the nations of the world, demanding political sovereignty over the Holy Land while remaining oblivious to the resentment this would arouse In the Palestinian Arabs, the land's veteran inhabitants. As stated, the leaders of Orthodox Jewry vehemently opposed the movement with all force.
- The Zionists refused to heed the voice of the Rabbis and Torah authority. They persisted in their ways until they succeeded in influencing the British government to issue the Balfour Declaration concerning the “establishment of a national home for the Jews in the land of Israel.” To our great sorrow, from that point on began the deterioration of the good relations between the Jews and the Arab inhabitants of the land. This occurred because the Arab people understood that the Zionists wished to seize ruler ship from them. In addition, the Arab people had suspicions as if the Jewish people wished to seize control of the Temple Mount and other similar sites. Matters worsened as a result.
- The Jewish leadership of that time saw it as proper to clarify before the Arab leaders that the Torah-true Jews had no desire whatsoever for sovereignty, and that our desire was to continue to live in peace with the Arabs, as we had always done. The leader of the G-d-fearing Jewish community at that time, Rabbi Yoseph Chaim Zonnenfeld. of blessed memory, organized a delegation in July of 24' which visited King Hussein and his sons Faisal the King of Iraq and the Amir Abdullah In order to lucidly present to them the position of the G-d-fearing Jewish community. The Jewish delegation clarified unequivocally that Torah Jewry is totally opposed to the Zionist sovereignty over the Holy Land. It Is worth noting that the delegation was received with great honor. They were even assured that all Arab lands were completely open to Jews, however, on the condition that the Jews do not demand political rights. This condition also applied to the Holy Land. One of the members of the Jewish delegation, Professor Yisroel Yaakov De Haan, paid with his life for his participation.
- Torah Jewry protests at every opportunity against the Zionist rule over the Holy Land, and the Zionist rebellion against the neighboring nations. Torah Jewry has condemned the Zionist oppression of the Palestinians, the land's veteran inhabitants who have been driven from their homes and properties. The Zionists' barbaric and violent deeds are absolutely antithetical to the essence of the Jewish people.
- Torah Jewry has never ever recognized the Zionist state. Since the Zionists succeeding in establishing their state, Torah Jewry has continuously announced to the world that the Zionists do not represent the Jewish people, and that the name “Israel” that they use is a forgery. For as has been stated above, it is forbidden to us from the Torah to rebel against the nations, and all sovereignty by us is prohibited. Rather, we await the days when all the world will recognize the sovereignty of the Creator, and the words of the prophet Isaiah will yet be fulfilled: “And they will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. No nation will lift its sword against any other, nor will they learn warfare anymore.”
- Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews have refrained to this day from taking any funds from the Zionist regime, whether for their educational institutions, synagogues or other benefits. Obviously, they do not participate in the Zionist elections, whether for the “Knesset” or for the municipality. We do not serve in their army, and we even avoid speaking in the Hebrew language that the Zionists Invented. (incidentally, this is not the holy and true Hebrew language in which the Bible is written.) All this is done because Torah Jewry does not recognize the Zionist regime, which Is against the Torah and against humanity.
- Lately, the question has once again arisen concerning the Temple Mount and sovereignty over it. Thus, we wish to state unequivocally: a) In our time, it is a severe Torah prohibition for any Jew to set foot on any part of the Temple Mount area. b) The Jewish people have no claim whatsoever to sovereignty over this holy site, which is under Islamic authority, nor over any other holy site. Rabbi Zonenfeld was once asked, “is it true, that the Rabbi prefers an non-Jewish governmen
t over all of the Holy Land”? Rabbi Zonenfeld replied, “if King Hussein would rule over Palestine, the holiness of the Holy Land would not be diminished to even to an Iota degree”. We yearningly await G-d's great day, when He will return His Divine Presence to Zion, restoring the holy city to its former holiness and glory as in days of old, to be a light to the peoples and the nations. - The Zionists have no right of any sovereignty over even one inch of the Holy Land. They do not represent the Jewish people in any way whatsoever. They have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people. Therefore, their words, declarations and actions are not in any way representative of the Jewish people. This is because the Zionists' seizing of power over the Holy Land is antithetical to Jewish law, and also because the Zionists do not behave like Jews at all rather, they desecrate the sanctity of the land.
- We once again clarify that it is our desire to live in peace with our Arab and Palestinian neighbors, as we did before the Zionist revolution, and as Jews all over the world till today live, accepting the yoke of rulership of their host nation, with complete loyalty. Our sole desire is to serve our G-d and to fulfill His commandments with a perfect heart and to delight in the radiance of the sanctity of the Land.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,13:23) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 10 2012,19:27) I'll copy & paste it: The Beast of Revelation Revealed At Last!
By Walter Kazimir
Hi 2besee,The U.S.A.? …you got to be kidding, are you serious?
HA Ha ha ha!!!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed yes, I'm serious.
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 11 2012,21:21) 2beesee. only them that truly follow Jesus Christ is blessed,for they are his family.He who touch them touched the apple
of Gods eye.wakeup.
Yes and amen.Quote (journey42 @ Oct. 11 2012,07:21) Hi Besee Thanks for posting that info.
I would like to comment on a few things. Please bear in mind that the author is giving his interpretation. He goes very well up to a certain point, then goes way off track. I would like to show you that we can compare everything to the scriptures.Quote A ‘beast’ with seven heads and ten horns; another beast that looks innocent as a lamb but ‘speaks as a dragon;
This beast does not look as innocent as a lamb. He just has two horns like a lamb does.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns LIKE a lamb.
This is not a major, doesn't affect the interpretation just yet, but something to consider.Quote Beast = ‘kingdom,’ country, empire (Rev 17:10, Dan 7:17);
Yes and no.
This beast consists of ALL the RULING EMPIRES, rolled into ONE. From beginning to end
Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemyQuote Dragon = Satan, the Devil (Rev 12:9, 20:2); Sea = populous area; the ‘old world’ (Rev 17:15);
The interpretation of sea is correct, but where he gets “old world from” I don't know?Quote Horns = kings, rulers (Dan 7:24); Heads = governments, nations;
HEADS should be EMPIRES. This is very important. An empire controls MANY nations and governments.Quote (Rev 17:15). Also, we should know that numbers are used symbolically in the Bible, where seven indicates perfection, completion; and ten stands for a complete or inclusive set.
Where does the author get this from? If ten is a compete set, then why were there 12 apostles, and why were there 12 tribes of Israel?Quote - The text refers to a kingdom (nation) that had disappeared (was slain) at the time of John’s writing (set at about 90 AD), yet would reappear later in history;
Lets look at this beast mentioned hereRev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the WOMAN, and of THE BEAST THAT CARRIETH HER, which has seven heads and ten horns.
Yes this is the same beast coming out of the sea in Rev 13:1. This beast is consisting of ALL THE EMPIRES from beginning to end time. Not just speaking about one particular empire, but ALL OF THEM. Keep this in mind.Quote - when this nation reappears it will cause people to be amazed;
This beast is NOT A NATION. It is ALL THE EMPIRES ROLLED INTO ONE. Ruling empires that is. This woman is sitting on all the empires that has ruled from the beginning to the end time. Using the word NATION and concentrating on this throws the interpretation way out.Quote - this nation is associated with the name of a man; and perhaps aspires to attain godly heights… their way.
Firstly, the author is describing the beast with 7 heads and ten horns, now he jumps to the 2nd beast rising out of the earth (rev 13:11 & 13:18). Going all over the place now.
The number is a number of a man. Not a number of a nation.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the NUMBER OF A MAN; and his number is six hundred threescore and six.Quote - this nation was among a group of 7 that existed in a then-populous region– i.e. the Middle East– before it was extinguished;
Again, not a nation, but ALL THE EMPIRES – 7 heads and ten horns. His interpretation now leads us off track, because he didn't understand the symbol of the beast in Rev 13:1.Quote - this nation is associated with a false religion somehow;
Off track now, very very lost….continued
Hi Journey,
Yes I agree, the author did have many valid points and also points which I couldn't quite follow along with.
OVERALL though, it gave me a lot to think about, and it was agreeing with what I was seeing, so far.Quote (2besee @ Oct. 11 2012,19:34) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,13:23) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 10 2012,19:27) I'll copy & paste it: The Beast of Revelation Revealed At Last!
By Walter Kazimir
Hi 2besee,The U.S.A.? …you got to be kidding, are you serious?
HA Ha ha ha!!!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed yes, I'm serious.
Hi 2Besee,Are you also suggesting that two horns on the Rev.13:11 beast
(according to you) is then the Democrats and the Republicans?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (journey42 @ Oct. 11 2012,07:24) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 10 2012,20:51)
continuedQuote - another nation appears later (after John’s day), that will be closely allied with the restored nation– it wasn’t one of the original 7; but when it arises in a less populous area, it will enforce homage to the restored nation;
No, scripture, but if he's refering to this?.Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet it.
This is not speaking of a nation.
John saw this beast that the woman sits on, and it consists of ALL THE RULING EMPIRES from beginning to end. Now, this very same beast that John saw is ascending out of the BOTTOMLESS PIT. It doesn't ascend out of the SEA here, like it did before, or out of the EARTH like the other beast, but out of the BOTTOMLESS PIT? It's coming from somewhere else now, so it's not speaking in quite the same language as before.
This beast was there before Johns time, but not during his time, but will come after Johns time. Well we know it comes at the END.
So what is it?What happened in the beginning according to Genesis? Something everybody misses.
Genesis 10:10 And the BEGINNING of his KINGDOM was BABEL….
Genesis 11:1 And the WHOLE EARTH was of ONE LANGUAGE, and of ONE SPEECH.…….BABEL……..
ONE LANGUAGE
ONE SPEECH
ONE PEOPLE
ONE LEADER
COMPLETE UNITYThis is the beast that was, and is not and yet is.
This was Satan's plan from the beginning.
UNITY, ALL BECOMING ONE
By bringing the world “together” AGAIN as ONE
He will have the POWER to CONTROL
not just one nation, but ALL NATIONS. ALL MEN. Just like he did back then in BABEL.Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a CITY and a TOWER, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
Sound familiar?
Nearly every one speaks english. But we don't all speak english do we. English is the dominant language, but this language that all will speak is his language
and not all have to know english in order to WORSHIP him through HIS MAN.
Not all have to know english in order to receive HIS MARK, through HIS MAN.
Not all have to know english in order to trade through HIS SYSTEM, through the system HIS BEAST, and HIS MAN will enforce.
Or am I wrong?, and will he force all to speak one language again? Have to wait and see.so ALL will be ONE AGAIN.
ONE MAN (False prophet)
ONE RELIGION (his)
ONE GOD (Satan)
ONE CURRENCY (the Mark)Now hopefully you can see where this interpretation goes out, because now, everything will contradict the scriptures.
Quote - the ‘new nation’ will first appear benign (lamb-like), but will issue draconian edicts that will cause all other nations to ‘fall into line’ with it;
This lamb like person he is incorrectly referring to is the FALSE PROPHET. Not a nation, but a SPIRITUAL LEADER, and a WORLD leader of this last end time KINGDOMQuote - there seems to be a blurring between ‘the woman’ as a church and as a ‘city,’ but in any case, there is a highly urbanized nation that exercises hegemony over all other nations;
There definately is a blurring here. “The woman” is not a church, but all the empires she sits on and her empires that dominates all the nations belong to her spiritual city called “Babylon the Great” and she is the MOTHER of it. THE CREATOR OF HER SPIRITUAL WICKED CITYRev 17:5 Mystery, BABYLON THE GREAT, The Mother of Harlots, and Abominations of the Earth.
Quote As soon as you mention ‘restored nation’ the obvious candidate that leaps out is ‘Israel’.
Israel was a nation, but never an empire. If this author knew how to discern the prophesies, he would understand that Israel will get trodden down by the gentiles, and the false prophet will plant his tabernacle there. Israel will not be restored until Christ returns, so they do not fit the picture here.
I need not continue because the rest is scripture, mixed with guesswork and not knowledge.Hi Journey, interesting points,
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,21:47) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 11 2012,19:34) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,13:23) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 10 2012,19:27) I'll copy & paste it: The Beast of Revelation Revealed At Last!
By Walter Kazimir
Hi 2besee,The U.S.A.? …you got to be kidding, are you serious?
HA Ha ha ha!!!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Ed yes, I'm serious.
Hi 2Besee,Are you also suggesting that two horns on the Rev.13:11 beast
(according to you) is then the Democrats and the Republicans?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd, no, I'm not suggesting that hahaha.
Ok, something then to think about here:
Revelation 18:24 Speaking of BABYLON:
Please look at the bolded words on all of the below verses and you should see that Jesus was speaking of Babylon where ALL the righteous blood had been shed and He was talking to none other than the Scribes and Pharisees etc of Jerusalem.Revelation 18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain on the earth.Revelations 17:5
And on her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.Right? So:
Matthew 23:35 That on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom you slew between the temple and the altar. Truly I say to you, All these things shall come on this generation. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kill the prophets, and stone them which are sent to you,
Luke 11:47-52 Woe to you! for you build the sepulchers of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. Truly you bear witness that you allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and you build their sepulchers. Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; From the blood of Abel to the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: truly I say to you, It shall be required of this generation.
Do you see that?
Quote (2besee @ Oct. 11 2012,19:29) Quote (t8 @ Oct. 10 2012,22:13) And what of the OT prophecies that talk about the restoration of Israel. Last time I read them, they didn't appear to be condemning about this restoration. Ok.
Zionists do not represent Jews.
Quoted from here.
From the inception of the Zionist State and particularly in recent times, the impression has been created in the World that there is some connection between the State, which falsely calls itself Israel, and the Jewish people as a whole. Therefore, we who continue to uphold the never-changing tradition of the Jewish people find it proper to again clarify the following points:
- The Holy Land was given to the Jewish people on the condition that they observe the Torah and its commandments. When they failed to do this, their sovereignty over the land was taken from them, and they went into exile. From that time, we are prohibited by the Torah with a very grave prohibition to establish a Jewish independent sovereignty in the Holy Land or anywhere throughout the world. Rather, we are obligated to be loyal to the nations under whose protection we dwell.
- This situation has existed for close to 2000 years when the Jewish people were dispersed throughout all corners of the world. During this time, the Jews always remained faithful to the country in which they lived.
- The Jewish people are grateful to all those merciful nations which have allowed them to observe Torah and the commandments undisturbed.
- From ancient times, the relations between the Jewish and Islamic peoples have always been those of peace and brotherhood, and friendship always reigned between them. The proof of this is the fact that for centuries, in all the Arab lands, hundreds of thousands of Jews lived in honor and amidst mutual esteem.
- Jews throughout all generations yearned to grace the sacred soil of the Holy Land and to live there. However, their sole purpose was to fulfill the commandments dependent upon the land and to absorb Its holiness. Never, G-d forbid, did they have any nationalist or sovereign intent whatsoever which, as mentioned above, is forbidden to us. Indeed, also here in the Holy Land, our fathers lived in neighborly harmony with the Palestinian residents of the land, helping one another, to mutual benefit.
- Until about two hundred years ago, the vast majority of Jews observed the Torah and the commandments in entirety. Jewry's leaders were Torah scholars, who directed the people according to the Torah. They were loyal citizens in the host nations where they dwelled and to the local laws. They prayed for the welfare of their respective governments. To our sorrow, at that time a small number of Jews slowly left their observance of Torah and commandments. Together with this, they began to deride the spiritual leadership of their people. This assimilation was the basis upon which, one hundred years ago, the ideology of Zionism was born. Its founders were assimilated Jews who had abandoned the Torah.
- Immediately at the founding of the Zionist movement, masses of Jews under the leadership of their Rabbis, launched a heavy battle against Zionism. Their attack was directed not only at the non-religious Zionist idea, but rather, primarily at its opposition to the Torah-ordained path that Jewry must follow while in exile. As such, the Zionists incited the nations of the world, demanding political sovereignty over the Holy Land while remaining oblivious to the resentment this would arouse In the Palestinian Arabs, the land's veteran inhabitants. As stated, the leaders of Orthodox Jewry vehemently opposed the movement with all force.
- The Zionists refused to heed the voice of the Rabbis and Torah authority. They persisted in their ways until they succeeded in influencing the British government to issue the Balfour Declaration concerning the “establishment of a national home for the Jews in the land of Israel.” To our great sorrow, from that point on began the deterioration of the good relations between the Jews and the Arab inhabitants of the land. This occurred because the Arab people understood that the Zionists wished to seize ruler ship from them. In addition, the Arab people had suspicions as if the Jewish people wished to seize control of the Temple Mount and other similar sites. Matters worsened as a result.
- The Jewish leadership of that time saw it as proper to clarify before the Arab leaders that the Torah-true Jews had no desire whatsoever for sovereignty, and that our desire was to continue to live in peace with the Arabs, as we had always done. The leader of the G-d-fearing Jewish community at that time, Rabbi Yoseph Chaim Zonnenfeld. of blessed memory, organized a delegation in July of 24' which visited King Hussein and his sons Faisal the King of Iraq and the Amir Abdullah In order to lucidly present to them the position of the G-d-fearing Jewish community. The Jewish delegation clarified unequivocally that Torah Jewry is totally opposed to the Zionist sovereignty over the Holy Land. It Is worth noting that the delegation was received with great honor. They were even assured that all Arab lands were completely open to Jews, however, on the condition that the Jews do not demand political rights. This condition also applied to the Holy Land. One of the members of the Jewish delegation, Professor Yisroel Yaakov De Haan, paid with his life for his participation.
- Torah Jewry protests at every opportunity against the Zionist rule over the Holy Land, and the Zionist rebellion against the neighboring nations. Torah Jewry has condemned the Zionist oppression of the Palestinians, the land's veteran inhabitants who have been driven from their homes and properties. The Zionists' barbaric and violent deeds are absolutely antithetical to the essence of the Jewish people.
- Torah Jewry has never ever recognized the Zionist state. Since the Zionists succeeding in establishing their state, Torah Jewry has continuously announced to the world that the Zionists do not represent the Jewish people, and that the name “Israel” that they use is a forgery. For as has been stated above, it is forbidden to us from the Torah to rebel against the nations, and all sovereignty by us is prohibited. Rather, we await the days when all the world will recognize the sovereignty of the Creator, and the words of the prophet Isaiah will yet be fulfilled: “And they will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. No nation will lift its sword against any other, nor will they learn warfare anymore.”
- Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews have refrained to this day from taking any funds from the Zionist regime, whether for their educational institutions, synagogues or other benefits. Obviously, they do not participate in the Zionist elections, whether for the “Knesset” or for the municipality. We do not serve in their army, and we even avoid speaking in the Hebrew language that the Zionists Invented. (incidentally, this is not the holy and true Hebrew language in which the Bible is written.) All this is done because Torah Jewry does not recognize the Zionist regime, which Is against the Torah and against humanity.
- Lately, the question has once again arisen concerning the Temple Mount and sovereignty over it. Thus, we wish to state unequivocally: a) In our time, it is a severe Torah prohibition for any Jew to set foot on any part of the Temple Mount area. b) The Jewish peopl
e have no claim whatsoever to sovereignty over this holy site, which is under Islamic authority, nor over any other holy site. Rabbi Zonenfeld was once asked, “is it true, that the Rabbi prefers an non-Jewish government over all of the Holy Land”? Rabbi Zonenfeld replied, “if King Hussein would rule over Palestine, the holiness of the Holy Land would not be diminished to even to an Iota degree”. We yearningly await G-d's great day, when He will return His Divine Presence to Zion, restoring the holy city to its former holiness and glory as in days of old, to be a light to the peoples and the nations. - The Zionists have no right of any sovereignty over even one inch of the Holy Land. They do not represent the Jewish people in any way whatsoever. They have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people. Therefore, their words, declarations and actions are not in any way representative of the Jewish people. This is because the Zionists' seizing of power over the Holy Land is antithetical to Jewish law, and also because the Zionists do not behave like Jews at all rather, they desecrate the sanctity of the land.
- We once again clarify that it is our desire to live in peace with our Arab and Palestinian neighbors, as we did before the Zionist revolution, and as Jews all over the world till today live, accepting the yoke of rulership of their host nation, with complete loyalty. Our sole desire is to serve our G-d and to fulfill His commandments with a perfect heart and to delight in the radiance of the sanctity of the Land.
2beesee.To be a zionist, one need to be a billionaire,and one need to join the club,and must be under oath.
And follow their plan,they also have their boys to do the work,they are the elected leaders,they are placed on top for obedience.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,21:52) Hi 2Besee, Why not?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed, why not what?Quote (2besee @ Oct. 11 2012,20:06) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,21:52) Hi 2Besee, Why not?
God bless
Ed J
Ed, why not what?
Hi Wakeup,Why are you not suggesting that two horns on the Rev.13:11 beast
(according to you) is the Democrats and the Republicans then?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,20:08) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 11 2012,20:06) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,21:52) Hi 2Besee, Why not?
God bless
Ed J
Ed, why not what?
Hi Wakeup,Why are you not suggesting that two horns on the Rev.13:11 beast
(according to you) is the Democrats and the Republicans then?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.The on horn is the secular,and the othr horn is the spiritual. he is in charge of both.
wakeup.
Ok , and Journey, please take note of this too, regarding the IMAGE of the BEAST, something else to think about,
“You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.”
Have you ever thought that PERHAPS the “image” of the beast is the television?
Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 11 2012,20:11) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,20:08) Quote (2besee @ Oct. 11 2012,20:06) Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,21:52) Hi 2Besee, Why not?
God bless
Ed J
Ed, why not what?
Hi Wakeup,Why are you not suggesting that two horns on the Rev.13:11 beast
(according to you) is the Democrats and the Republicans then?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.The on horn is the secular,and the othr horn is the spiritual. he is in charge of both.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,A secular king and a religious king? – the two horns?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Oct. 11 2012,20:13) Quote (Wakeup @ Oct. 11 2012,20:11) EdJ. The on horn is the secular,and the othr horn is the spiritual. he is in charge of both.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,A secular king and a religious king? – the two horns?
God bless
Ed J
Hi Wakeup,And which one is he?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
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