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[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Jesus is the way, the truth and the Life.
No one can come to the Father except through him.
Why not turn to the great prophet Peter spoke of in Acts.
Whoever does not listen to him may be sealing his own eternal fate.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,09:48)

Quote (bodhitharta @ May 12 2009,07:58) Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,07:46) Hi BD, Jesus is the door. Those who climb in by other means are thieves and robbers. Jn10 Paul and Peter raised the dead but they ascribed that power to faith in their Lord, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Tell us of the miracles you have seen through other names. Every Miracle that occured in the Bible before the disciples. Elijah raised people from the dead. Jesus also said that they can do things in his name but there would come a time when they would speak to the Father directly: John 16:25-27 (King James Version) 25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. Think about what has happened with Christianity and how they turned Jesus into God that is why God sent another Prophet whom it can be argued that is like Moses which God said that he was going to do. Who is more like Moses, Jesus or Muhammad? Moses and Muhammad are natural born men They were both soldiers and killed They both led there people out of polytheism and set up the worship of God Almighty. Hi BD, Did you mean Elisha? The Spirit given to Christ Jesus is what unites the body with God. That Spirit is not of useless human theological words or vain religiousness but of power. There was no later plan to send another greater prophet to tidy up some unexpected problems. God does not fail but men hate His ways and devise their own.

Elijah and Elisha raised people from the dead.

As far as you saying there was no later plan, why is that?

Has anything been concluded here on earth?

Also I did not say that Muhammad was greater than Jesus but neither were the disciples.

Would you agree that God sent all those before Jesus too and yet there was still a time for Jesus to come and that time was 2000 years ago. You seem to assume that God stopped sending people after that but the scriptures don't say this at all.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,14:17)

Hi BD, Jesus is the way, the truth and the Life. No one can come to the Father except through him. Why not turn to the great prophet Peter spoke of in Acts. Whoever does not listen to him may be sealing his own eternal fate.

14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

16This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

17Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

18And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.

19While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

20Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.

21Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

22And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

23Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.

24And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.

25And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

26But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

27And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.

28And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Now this was revealed to Peter and how is it you canoot see that God gives to whom He chooses.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So do you think he was equivalent to the apostles who acknowledge their Master as Jesus Christ?
Was he too a servant of the Lord of all, Jesus Christ and reliant on his teachings?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,14:17)

Hi BD, Jesus is the way, the truth and the Life. No one can come to the Father except through him. Why not turn to the great prophet Peter spoke of in Acts. Whoever does not listen to him may be sealing his own eternal fate.

Acts 10

34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,14:46)

Hi BD, So do you think he was equivalent to the apostles who acknowledge their Master as Jesus Christ? Was he too a servant of the Lord of all, Jesus Christ and reliant on his teachings?

Jesus taught what he learned from the Father and Muhammad taught those same things to the people that God wanted to learn them.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Indeed those gentiles on whose hearts the law is still writ find favour with God.

However it is far better to join the sons of God in the first resurrection into the millenium as Heb 4 recommends.

To do that you must repent and be born again of water and the spirit.

Jesus will brook no competing claims.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,14:56)

Hi BD, Indeed those gentiles on whose hearts the law is still writ find favour with God. However it is far better to join the sons of God in the first resurrection into the millenium as Heb 4 recommends. To do that you must repent and be born again of water and the spirit. Jesus will brook no competing claims.

Hebrews 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,14:56)

Hi BD, Indeed those gentiles on whose hearts the law is still writ find favour with God. However it is far better to join the sons of God in the first resurrection into the millenium as Heb 4 recommends. To do that you must repent and be born again of water and the spirit. Jesus will brook no competing claims.

Hebrews 5
1For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

2Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.

3And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.

4And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So Jesus is the final and everlasting high priest of the order of Melchisedek.
Appointed by God as Lord of all.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,15:11)

Hi BD, So Jesus is the final and everlasting high priest of the order of Melchisedek. Appointed by God as Lord of all.

So what to make of Melchezidek?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
A man written of in scripture and used in allegory relating to the Son of God.
His origins are not written of and neither is his end.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,15:35)

Hi BD, A man written of in scripture and used in allegory relating to the Son of God. His origins are not written of and neither is his end.

Yes, but what to make of him who was King of Salem or King of Peace?

I have said before that Shalom, Salem and Islam all mean the same thing.

To say one is in the “order” of something doesn't disqualify the one who's order someone else is placed in. Jesus doesn't cause Melchezidek to be out of this order of Priests in-fact Jesus is placed in the order of Melchezidek.

[bodhitharta]

Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;

In other words the order of Melchezidek

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Jesus is the high priest.
Hebrews 2:17
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

We in him are priests.[1Peter]

None follows Jesus as a high priest.
Hebrews 6:20
Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

So your lord is under Jesus, if he is of him.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,15:49)

Hi BD, Jesus is the high priest. Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Hebrews 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. We in him are priests.[1Peter] None follows Jesus as a high priest. Hebrews 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. So your lord is under Jesus, if he is of him.

That is not a problem at all not even in the Quran is that a problem as the Quran says that all people of the scriptures must believe in Jesus and that Jesus will be a witness against those of unbelief on the day of Judgement.

Compare that to “Not everyone who says lord, lord will enter the kingdom but only those who do the will of my Father”

The Quran goes out of its way to proclaim that

(1) muhammad is no more than an apostle: many Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah. but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

and…

4) muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Does Jesus submit to your leader?
Who is greatest in the kingdom of God and rules in His appointed role?

King Jesus the Son of God[ps2]

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 12 2009,16:17)

Hi BD, Does Jesus submit to your leader? Who is greatest in the kingdom of God and rules in His appointed role? King Jesus the Son of God[ps2]

You misunderstand. Muhammad is not my leader or the “leader” of Islam. Jesus is King but this is about The Father who is greater than all.

The Glorious Quran is the book of God Almighty.

You already have said you know that Jesus is not God. You have to understand that there were the Prophets and then there was the Christ and now God gives the last messenger a book that clarifies the entire scriptures.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So our God of order would have spoken of your leader in scripture?
Many have claimed to be able to add the final touches but 'it is finished'.

[bodhitharta]

(1) They say: “Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #135)

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