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(1)So if Ephraim is the Firstborn how is Israel the First born?
(2)Also I didn’t ask you about “firstborn of the promise” I asked you was that God’s CHILD as in literal Father of Ephraim
Hi BD,
1) Israel the First born of all the nations? And Ephraim is the Firstborn of the promise going out to include the nations.
2) Neither Israel nor Ephraim were begotten biologically at birth as spirit son from YHVH, while Jesus Christ was.
Jesus was God’s only begotten son.
B’shem
YHVHHi BD,
You study scripture but only looking for possible weakness where you can plant your seeds of doubt?
EDJ
Jesus was God’s only begotten son.
I have to ask you why does this verse say what it says:
Hebrews 11:17
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: andhe that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
Isn’t Ishmael older than Isaac? How could Isaac be Abraham’s only begotten son?
Is Isaac the only begotten son of Abraham biologically?
So Jesus is biologically the son of God?
The “Y” chromosome to make Jesus male had to come from somewhere, females don’t have any “Y” chromosomes.
Okay, so what about Adam or eve where did they get there X and Y Chromosomes? Are they the Biological offspring of God
How could Isaac be Abraham’s only begotten son?
Is Isaac the only begotten son of Abraham biologically?
Hi BD
Isaac was begotten of Abraham physically and spiritually through the promise of God;
while Ishmael was begotten of Abraham and a bondwoman.Jesus was begotten of God physically and spiritually through the promise of God;
while sinners are begotten from God and a bondwomen.Sinners need to be reborn spiritually through the promise of God’s anointing.
B’shem
YHVHHi BD
Isaac was begotten of Abraham physically and spiritually through the promise of God;
while Ishmael was begotten of Abraham and a bondwoman.Jesus was begotten of God physically and spiritually through the promise of God;
while sinners are begotten from God and a bondwomen.Sinners need to be reborn spiritually through the promise of God’s anointing.
So Ishmael was the firstborn and first begotten?
Who is the bondwoman of sinners?
what was the physical begetting of Jesus? The scriptures say:Luke 1:35 (ASV)
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God.
Is that a physical happening or spiritual or both? Did God physically interact with Mary as a consort or Did God create Jesus miraculously?
what was the physical begetting of Jesus? The scriptures say:
Luke 1:35 (ASV)
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon thee, and the power of the Most High shall overshadow thee: wherefore also the holy thing which is begotten shall be called the Son of God.
Is that a physical happening or spiritual or both? Did God physically interact with Mary as a consort or Did God create Jesus miraculously?
Hi BD,
The conception Jesus was physical – Christ was conceived in a virgin Hebrew girl named Mary fulfilling Isaiah 7:14.
God’s HolySpirit’s only begotten son, The spirit of Christ was impregnated into a virgin Hebrew girl named Mary.
Christ our savior was born, and He at the age of 30 was baptized with the Spirit of his Father “God with us”The name Immanuel refers to Jesus Christ,
The name Immanuel means “God with us” Jesus Christ
being baptized with God’s HolySpirit fulfills this claim!“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit,
seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” (1 Tim 3:16)B’shem
YHVHHi BD
Isaac was begotten of Abraham physically and spiritually through the promise of God;
while Ishmael was begotten of Abraham and a bondwoman.Jesus was begotten of God physically and spiritually through the promise of God;
while sinners are begotten from God and a bondwomen.Who is the bondwoman of sinners?
Hi Bd,
“For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
But [The New Jerusalem] (ref Rev.21-2-3) which is above is free, which is the (spiritual) mother of us all.” (Gal 4:25-26)B’shem
YHVHHi ED,
Scripture does not say that the Spirit of Christ was impregnated into a virgin.
The Holy Spirit of creation overshadowed Mary and she conceived.
Jesus was a man and as a man was conceived physically of male sperm.
“What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of Spirit is Spirit.”
He was born of the flesh at Bethlehem and of the Spirit at the Jordan.
Hi ED,
(1)Scripture does not say that the Spirit of Christ was impregnated into a virgin.
(2)The Holy Spirit of creation overshadowed Mary and she conceived.
(3)Jesus was a man and as a man was conceived physically of male sperm.
(4)“What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of Spirit is Spirit.”
(5)He was born of the flesh at Bethlehem and of the Spirit at the Jordan.
Hi Nick,
1) For Christ to be born he must be conceived first. Lord means owner – Jesus was born owner.
“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.” (Luke 2:11)2) Yes
3) No
4) That is referring to the rebirth of our nature, from a flesh nature to a spirit nature.
5) No, Jesus was born of the spirit of His father at his conception in Mary’s womb.
Christ was baptized with God’s HolySpirit at Jordan making him Immanuel – God with us.____________
God bless
Ed JChrist was baptized with God’s HolySpirit at Jordan making him Immanuel – God with us.
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
(John 1:1)“The Word” was sent down (at Jordan) to abide in Jesus Christ. That is why
Jesus spoke “The Word”, because “The Word” became one with his spirit. (John 10:30)I have highlighted the parts of two verses so you can see how they go together.
When was God manifested in the flesh? When the word was made flesh.
And when was “The Word” made flesh? At Jesus’ baptism at Jordan.“*And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14)“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: *God was manifest in the flesh, justified
in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” (1 Tim 3:16)“How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the HolySpirit and with power: who went about
doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.” (Acts 10:38)God was not with him as in being for him, no God was with him as in WITHIN HIM!
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God bless
Ed JHi Nick
who’s sperm conceived Jesus
Hi ED
Where is Hagar called a sinner in the Bible? or mother of sinners?
bodhitharta,
Jesus was miraculously conceived and so the male gamete was not requited. I can speculate what happened on a scientific basis, which is that God took a cell from Mary and caused that cell to become a new living organism, aka a fertilized egg, once in that stage Jesus grew to the stage where he was born. The cell may have been a female gamete but even that is necessarily true. God clearly did some Gene manipulation as Jesus was not a 100% clone of Mary.
Ed basis his teaching on what I am sure is a scribal error. He follows the manuscripts that say “the blood of God” in one passage while I go by those that say “the blood of the Lord” instead. I do not believe God has a body, much less blood.
Hi ED,
You mistake the prophetic statement for the current event.
The Vessel was born that will be ANOINTED.
The Holy Spirit anointed him at the Jordan
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