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[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,08:47)

BD said: Quote Allah is who you call Jehovah No shot!   Go try and tell the muslims that their god is the God of the Christians and Jews and see how far you'll get.

ED

They already know that it is in the Quran hav you been paying attention at all?

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,07:29)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 02 2013,17:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 02 2013,16:27) Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 02 2013,16:15) Boditharta. The jews worshipped the true God creator. Not as the gentiles; they worship many confusing gods. But the jews went astray; to worship the gods of the gentiles. There was an old covenant; and there is a new covenant. The old covenant jews can pray to God,or ask the livi priest to pray. In the new covenant we have been given new rules.(by God). Jesus is put mediator between God and man. The **old door** to God is closed;and a **new door** opend. And that door is Christ. God sends his angels to comunicate with Abraham. No man has heard Gods voice;or seen his shape. You are trying hard to dig out scriptures;to justify your believe. God can see inside the heart;you are doing it for the love of your religion;not for God. wakeup. Did not God call Abraham His friend? Who do Jews worship today? What Go do they worship? So when God showed Moses a part of himself who was the mediator? Exodus 33:11 And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle. Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. Deuteronomy 34:10 And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, Boditharta. 1. God also called king Neb his friend. So what is the propblem? Can not God call anyone as he pleases? 2. The jews today worship mamon. They worship God and also rejecting his son. Their lips mentions God; but their hearts do the opposite. 3. Moses saw God face to face;but did not see Gods face,only his back parts. 4. No one can see Gods face and live. BTW: The voice moses hear was the word of God;and also who Adam and Eve hears was the word of God. Here is the mystery; that word proceeded out of God. John 16:27.—-that **I came out** from God. 28. I came forth from the father,—— 17:8. —-I came out from thee—- Gods word; he brought forth out of him self;and by him all things are made. That same word was made flesh. Gods word made flesh. The same word that spoke to Adam and Moses, and the prophets. The depth of his mystery can only be reavealed to them that seek God in truth;for no man knows the son and the Father,but only to him whom the son will reveal it to. wakeup. So according to your logic when Jesus was here in the flesh God had no word? No Jesus was a WORD from GOD literally sent out from God and yet God still spoke and acted without Jesus being present. When Jesus was dead for 3 days *according to thescriptures* Was the word of God dead?

Boditharta.

Lets just say that you are a great king.
And you send your spokesman to another country
to bring a message from you.

Does that mean that you can not speak for that time period your spokesman is overseas?

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,09:49)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,08:47) BD said: Quote Allah is who you call Jehovah No shot!   Go try and tell the muslims that their god is the God of the Christians and Jews and see how far you'll get. ED They already know that it is in the Quran hav you been paying attention at all?

Hi BD,

The quran also says that he gave the torah and the Gospel, and
that the followers of Jesus(Christians) would be victorious until the day of resurrection.
But muslims don't believe what their own book teaches. If they did they would find out what Jesus followers taught.

Ed (witness)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,12:29)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,09:49) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,08:47) BD said: Quote Allah is who you call Jehovah No shot!   Go try and tell the muslims that their god is the God of the Christians and Jews and see how far you'll get. ED They already know that it is in the Quran hav you been paying attention at all? Hi BD, The quran also says that he gave the torah and the Gospel, and that the followers of Jesus(Christians) would be victorious until the day of resurrection. But muslims don't believe what their own book teaches. If they did they would find out what Jesus followers taught. Ed (witness)

Your getting better with your research but let me clarify:

Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

They know wha ALLAH sent down to be taught:

From those, too, who call themselves christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.

( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14)

This prophecy has surely alreay come true there has never been so much seperation and hatred then between the endless denominations of Christianity that ALL claim Christ but reject each other.

How many Christian denominations are there? About 34,000

Even in this Forum I can't debate a cohesive Christianity because most of you cannot agree on much so I am debating all sorts of Christian ideas from the UB to Numerology to Symbology gone wild. Truly th Quran is correct when it says

they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them

do you not remember?

Acts 2:44

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

This cannot be said about Christianity today, can it?

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

There is no verse in the quran saying that the bible was corrupted, yet many islamists proclaim this as being part of the quran.

Ed

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,13:57)

Acts 2:44 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

Hi BD,

What specifically do YOU believe this verse means?

Ed

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,13:57)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,12:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,09:49) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,08:47) BD said: Quote Allah is who you call Jehovah No shot!   Go try and tell the muslims that their god is the God of the Christians and Jews and see how far you'll get. ED They already know that it is in the Quran hav you been paying attention at all? Hi BD, The quran also says that he gave the torah and the Gospel, and that the followers of Jesus(Christians) would be victorious until the day of resurrection. But muslims don't believe what their own book teaches. If they did they would find out what Jesus followers taught. Ed (witness) Your getting better with your research but let me clarify: Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. They know wha ALLAH sent down to be taught: From those, too, who call themselves christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14) This prophecy has surely alreay come true there has never been so much seperation and hatred then between the endless denominations of Christianity that ALL claim Christ but reject each other. How many Christian denominations are there? About 34,000 Even in this Forum I can't debate a cohesive Christianity because most of you cannot agree on much so I am debating all sorts of Christian ideas from the UB to Numerology to Symbology gone wild. Truly th Quran is correct when it says they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them do you not remember? Acts 2:44 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; This cannot be said about Christianity today, can it?

Boditharta.

The muslems always say;
**Mohamad darsul allah**.
Meaning Mohamad *THE* prophet of God.
Never do they say **Isah darsull allah**.
Stop kidding yourself.
Mohamad is the *number one prophet* to muslems.
*And isah is only a coverup*.

PROOF:
Blaspheme *the name of Jesus* and all is normal;
but plaspheme *mohamad* and there will be bunings and a fatah on the person.
**Blaspheme the name of God and all is normal**.

All false religions use nice peaceful words,to entice.
but the fact is;they are all false.
Wolves in sheeps clothing.

Jesus is the man appointed by God,
And no man can come to God, but by this man Jesus
the right hand of God. He is also sitting on Gods right hand.

He is the only *mediator* between God and man.
This is how God has worked it out.
And no religion can change what God has prepared for us.
JESUS IS THE WAY.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,14:27)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,13:57) Acts 2:44 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; Hi BD, What specifically do YOU believe this verse means? Ed

They had the same belief and knowledge of what it meat to be a Christian that knowledge is lost today

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,14:25)

Hi BD, There is no verse in the quran saying that the bible was corrupted, yet many islamists proclaim this as being part of the quran. Ed

Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: “We hear and we disobey”; and “Hear what is not Heard”; and “Ra'ina”; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: “What hear and we obey”; and “Do hear”; and “Do look at us”; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.

( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #46)

But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few – ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind.

( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #13)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,15:33)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,13:57) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,12:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,09:49) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,08:47) BD said: Quote Allah is who you call Jehovah No shot!   Go try and tell the muslims that their god is the God of the Christians and Jews and see how far you'll get. ED They already know that it is in the Quran hav you been paying attention at all? Hi BD, The quran also says that he gave the torah and the Gospel, and that the followers of Jesus(Christians) would be victorious until the day of resurrection. But muslims don't believe what their own book teaches. If they did they would find out what Jesus followers taught. Ed (witness) Your getting better with your research but let me clarify: Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. They know wha ALLAH sent down to be taught: From those, too, who call themselves christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14) This prophecy has surely alreay come true there has never been so much seperation and hatred then between the endless denominations of Christianity that ALL claim Christ but reject each other. How many Christian denominations are there? About 34,000 Even in this Forum I can't debate a cohesive Christianity because most of you cannot agree on much so I am debating all sorts of Christian ideas from the UB to Numerology to Symbology gone wild. Truly th Quran is correct when it says they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them do you not remember? Acts 2:44 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; This cannot be said about Christianity today, can it? Boditharta. The muslems always say; **Mohamad darsul allah**. Meaning Mohamad *THE* prophet of God. Never do they say **Isah darsull allah**. Stop kidding yourself. Mohamad is the *number one prophet* to muslems. *And isah is only a coverup*. PROOF: Blaspheme *the name of Jesus* and all is normal; but plaspheme *mohamad* and there will be bunings and a fatah on the person. **Blaspheme the name of God and all is normal**. All false religions use nice peaceful words,to entice. but the fact is;they are all false. Wolves in sheeps clothing. Jesus is the man appointed by God, And no man can come to God, but by this man Jesus the right hand of God. He is also sitting on Gods right hand. He is the only *mediator* between God and man. This is how God has worked it out. And no religion can change what God has prepared for us. JESUS IS THE WAY. wakeup.

No need to convince you but just know that the gentiles came through Paul he is their teacher. He did not teach what Jesus taught

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,16:58)

No need to convince you but just know that the gentiles came through Paul he is their teacher. He did not teach what Jesus taught

Hi BD,

You got the Apostle Paul confused with Muhammad,
it was Muhammad who did not teach what Jesus taught.

Ed

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,16:55)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,14:25) Hi BD, There is no verse in the quran saying that the bible was corrupted, yet many islamists proclaim this as being part of the quran. Ed Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: “We hear and we disobey”; and “Hear what is not Heard”; and “Ra'ina”; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: “What hear and we obey”; and “Do hear”; and “Do look at us”; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe. (  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #46) But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few – ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind. (  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #13)

What do you think posting that 'squag' is suppose to prove?

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,16:58)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 04 2013,15:33) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,13:57) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,12:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,09:49) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,08:47) BD said: Quote Allah is who you call Jehovah No shot!   Go try and tell the muslims that their god is the God of the Christians and Jews and see how far you'll get. ED They already know that it is in the Quran hav you been paying attention at all? Hi BD, The quran also says that he gave the torah and the Gospel, and that the followers of Jesus(Christians) would be victorious until the day of resurrection. But muslims don't believe what their own book teaches. If they did they would find out what Jesus followers taught. Ed (witness) Your getting better with your research but let me clarify: Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. They know wha ALLAH sent down to be taught: From those, too, who call themselves christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. (  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14) This prophecy has surely alreay come true there has never been so much seperation and hatred then between the endless denominations of Christianity that ALL claim Christ but reject each other. How many Christian denominations are there? About 34,000 Even in this Forum I can't debate a cohesive Christianity because most of you cannot agree on much so I am debating all sorts of Christian ideas from the UB to Numerology to Symbology gone wild. Truly th Quran is correct when it says they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them do you not remember? Acts 2:44 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; This cannot be said about Christianity today, can it? Boditharta. The muslems always say; **Mohamad darsul allah**. Meaning Mohamad *THE* prophet of God. Never do they say **Isah darsull allah**. Stop kidding yourself. Mohamad is the *number one prophet* to muslems. *And isah is only a coverup*. PROOF: Blaspheme *the name of Jesus* and all is normal; but plaspheme *mohamad* and there will be bunings and a fatah on the person. **Blaspheme the name of God and all is normal**. All false religions use nice peaceful words,to entice. but the fact is;they are all false. Wolves in sheeps clothing. Jesus is the man appointed by God, And no man can come to God, but by this man Jesus the right hand of God. He is also sitting on Gods right hand. He is the only *mediator* between God and man. This is how God has worked it out. And no religion can change what God has prepared for us. JESUS IS THE WAY. wakeup. No need to convince you but just know that the gentiles came through Paul he is their teacher. He did not teach what Jesus taught

Boditharta.

I dont know why you think that Paul is not teaching what Jesus taught? He did a good job in teaching what jesus taught.

And you have failed to respond to my post about
what the muslems say; they do the opposite.

And that mohamad is more sacred to islam, than Jesus, or God.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,21:37)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,16:58) No need to convince you but just know that the gentiles came through Paul he is their teacher. He did not teach what Jesus taught Hi BD, You got the Apostle Paul confused with Muhammad, it was Muhammad who did not teach what Jesus taught. Ed

Did Jesus teach the gentiles or diminish the law?

Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Either JESUS is saying here until he has fulfilled his mission after

1. he is raised up or

2.he is saying that the Law is permanent until ALL the prophecies inthe bible are completed

Paul said:

Romans 13:10
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

So if love is the fulfilling of the Law how would homosexuality be a sin? In other words this verse is more poetic isn't it but it is these very verses that homosexuals will use to justify what they do. Look:

Acts 15:28-30

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 that ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Is this list complete is it clear even here as I said the NT is very poetic and colorful it's just not clear because when th say only those things are “necessary” but verses elsewhere say

1 Timothy 1:9-11

New International Version (NIV)

9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

Isn't that confusing? which is it Law or no Law?

Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.

Romans 7:4

New International Version (NIV)

4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.

Do you get it or not this is wy there are so many denominations including a massive Homosexual Christian movement. They are dead to the Law so they are ga through faith that their is no sin harged against them because Jesus is their Saviour do you believe that too?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,21:38)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,16:55) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,14:25) Hi BD, There is no verse in the quran saying that the bible was corrupted, yet many islamists proclaim this as being part of the quran. Ed Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: “We hear and we disobey”; and “Hear what is not Heard”; and “Ra'ina”; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: “What hear and we obey”; and “Do hear”; and “Do look at us”; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe. (  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #46) But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few – ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind. (  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #13) What do you think posting that 'squag' is suppose to prove?

You made a statement so I showed you the verses

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 05 2013,02:19)

Boditharta. I dont know why you think that Paul is not teaching what Jesus taught? He did a good job in teaching what jesus taught. And you have failed to respond to my post about what the muslems say; they do the opposite. And that mohamad is more sacred to islam, than Jesus, or God. wakeup.

Did Jesus teach it was okay to eat pork? I will agree with ED here that the Authorized King James Version is reliable in tht it lets you know when it adds something for instance while researching tha question I just asked the AKJV says

Mark 7:19

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

19 because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Which in no way supports a change in dietary law for the Jews but originally I saw this verse in the NIV

Mark 7:19

New International Version (NIV)

19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

How did the come up with the idea that declared all foods clean? and by saying ALL foods that opens up a can of worms does't it? Blood, strangled meat, food offered to Idols see the problem?

In regards to saying I failed to respond to:

Quote

what the muslems say; they do the opposite.

That is a statement you are making your not presenting an argument or a case for the statement the statement itself is meaningless

Saying Muhammad is more sacred to Islam, than Jesus or God is totally erroneous Muslims pray to ALLAH repeatedly throughout the Day beginning with the OPENING prayer

1. In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2. Praise be to Allah, the Lord of All the Worlds;
3. The Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help.
6. Guide us to the straight way,
7. The way of those on whom you have bestowed Your grace, not the way of
those who earn Your anger, nor of those who go astray.

That is the first chapter of the Quran it is said to contain the entire essence of the Quran it is also known as the “7 often repeated verses” as it is said Billions of times a day

It is similar to “the lords prayer” But it is more encompassing. It ackowledge not only this earth but “ALL THE WORLDS” It shows we seek salvation through the Grace of God. Instead of saying “lead us not into temptation” it says “Guide us to the straight way”

Now here is the big problem in the Bible

James 1:12-14

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

This is what we believe but look:

Genesis 22:1
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am.

Deuteronomy 6:16
Ye shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

Now read James again and see what I am saying, this is how you get so many denominations. The Quran is Clear especially in the critical areas such as this. So which is better to say?

“Lead us not into temptation” or “Guide Us To The Striaght Way”?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 05 2013,05:48)

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,21:38) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,16:55) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,14:25) Hi BD, There is no verse in the quran saying that the bible was corrupted, yet many islamists proclaim this as being part of the quran. Ed Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: “We hear and we disobey”; and “Hear what is not Heard”; and “Ra'ina”; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: “What hear and we obey”; and “Do hear”; and “Do look at us”; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe. (  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #46) But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few – ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind. (  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #13) What do you think posting that 'squag' is suppose to prove? You made a statement so I showed you the verses

That doesn't say the bible has been corrupted, that is an islamic fallacy! long after Muhammad.

Quote (quran @ Sura 10 94)

But if you(Muhammad) are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you(Christians & Jews); certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.

      According to Sura 10 94  al-Lah told Muhammad if he had doubts to ask Christian's and Jews what the truth of GOD is.

Do you deny your own holy-book?

Ed (witness)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 05 2013,07:41)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 05 2013,05:48) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,21:38) Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 04 2013,16:55) Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 04 2013,14:25) Hi BD, There is no verse in the quran saying that the bible was corrupted, yet many islamists proclaim this as being part of the quran. Ed Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: “We hear and we disobey”; and “Hear what is not Heard”; and “Ra'ina”; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: “What hear and we obey”; and “Do hear”; and “Do look at us”; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe. (  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #46) But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few – ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind. (  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #13) What do you think posting that 'squag' is suppose to prove? You made a statement so I showed you the verses That doesn't say the bible has been corrupted, that is an islamic fallacy! long after Muhammad. Quote (quran @ Sura 10 94) But if you(Muhammad) are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you(Christians & Jews); certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.       According to Sura 10 94  al-Lah told Muhammad if he had doubts to ask Christian's and Jews what the truth of GOD is. Do you deny your own holy-book? Ed (witness)

That is not what it is saying, it said to ask them about the revelations in their books because Muhammad woul have not known those revelations without God revealing them to him.

Then it says “certainly
the truth has come to you from your Lord,”

The verse does not say to them “ask what thetruth of God is about”

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 05 2013,06:34)

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 05 2013,02:19) Boditharta. I dont know why you think that Paul is not teaching what Jesus taught? He did a good job in teaching what jesus taught. And you have failed to respond to my post about what the muslems say; they do the opposite. And that mohamad is more sacred to islam, than Jesus, or God. wakeup. Did Jesus teach it was okay to eat pork? I will agree with ED here that the Authorized King James Version is reliable in tht it lets you know when it adds something for instance while researching tha question I just asked the AKJV says Mark 7:19 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 19 because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? Which in no way supports a change in dietary law for the Jews but originally I saw this verse in the NIV Mark 7:19 New International Version (NIV) 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.) How did the come up with the idea that declared all foods clean? and by saying ALL foods that opens up a can of worms does't it? Blood, strangled meat, food offered to Idols see the problem? In regards to saying I failed to respond to: Quote what the muslems say; they do the opposite. That is a statement you are making your not presenting an argument or a case for the statement the statement itself is meaningless Saying Muhammad is more sacred to Islam, than Jesus or God is totally erroneous Muslims pray to ALLAH repeatedly throughout the Day beginning with the OPENING prayer 1. In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 2. Praise be to Allah, the Lord of All the Worlds; 3. The Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 4. Master of the Day of Judgment. 5. You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help. 6. Guide us to the straight way, 7. The way of those on whom you have bestowed Your grace, not the way of those who earn Your anger, nor of those who go astray. That is the first chapter of the Quran it is said to contain the entire essence of the Quran it is also known as the “7 often repeated verses” as it is said Billions of times a day It is similar to “the lords prayer” But it is more encompassing. It ackowledge not only this earth but “ALL THE WORLDS” It shows we seek salvation through the Grace of God. Instead of saying “lead us not into temptation” it says “Guide us to the straight way” Now here is the big problem in the Bible James 1:12-14 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. This is what we believe but look: Genesis 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. Deuteronomy 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted him in Massah. Now read James again and see what I am saying, this is how you get so many denominations. The Quran is Clear especially in the critical areas such as this. So which is better to say? “Lead us not into temptation” or “Guide Us To The Striaght Way”?

Boditharta.

Here again;you are closing your eyes to the facts.
What I am saying was not just my own view,but fact.
You can see them by their fruits;not by what they say and preach.They preach good,but their works are abominable. They call themselves muslem(submit).

As you can see;they have replaced that with the material comforts. Tempting themselves by living in a land full of pig eaters and infidels. What should be more important;
To submit to God or to live amongst infidels?

Regarding unclean food:
Jesus made a new covenant; This is more spiritual.
All food is good to eat,if taken with thanks giving.
Because it only serve the belly. Only blood we can not eat
because the live is in the blood,and that belongs to God.

It is the spiritual food that feeds the spirit of man.
And that food is the bread that came down from heaven.
Eating pork does not defile the spirit,it goes straight into the draught.

The spiritual food stays with the spirit of man,that will be resurrected at the coming.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ Aug. 05 2013,17:57)

That is a statement you are making your not presenting an argument or a case for the statement the statement itself is meaningless Saying Muhammad is more sacred to Islam, than Jesus or God is totally erroneous Muslims pray to ALLAH repeatedly throughout the Day beginning with the OPENING prayer 1. In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 2. Praise be to Allah, the Lord of All the Worlds; 3. The Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 4. Master of the Day of Judgment. 5. You alone we worship and from You alone we seek help. 6. Guide us to the straight way, 7. The way of those on whom you have bestowed Your grace, not the way of those who earn Your anger, nor of those who go astray. That is the first chapter of the Quran it is said to contain the entire essence of the Quran it is also known as the “7 often repeated verses” as it is said Billions of times a day It is similar to “the lords prayer” But it is more encompassing. It ackowledge not only this earth but “ALL THE WORLDS” It shows we seek salvation through the Grace of God. Instead of saying “lead us not into temptation” it says “Guide us to the straight way” Now here is the big problem in the Bible James 1:12-14 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) 12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. This is what we believe but look: Genesis 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. Deuteronomy 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted him in Massah. Now read James again and see what I am saying, this is how you get so many denominations. The Quran is Clear especially in the critical areas such as this. So which is better to say? “Lead us not into temptation” or “Guide Us To The Striaght Way”?[/quote] Boditharta. Here again;you are closing your eyes to the facts. What I am saying was not just my own view,but fact. You can see them by their fruits;not by what they say and preach.They preach good,but their works are abominable. They call themselves muslem(submit). As you can see;they have replaced that with the material comforts. Tempting themselves by living in a land full of pig eaters and infidels. What should be more important; To submit to God or to live amongst infidels? Regarding unclean food: Jesus made a new covenant; This is more spiritual. All food is good to eat,if taken with thanks giving. Because it only serve the belly. Only blood we can not eat because the live is in the blood,and that belongs to God. It is the spiritual food  that feeds the spirit of man. And that food is the bread that came down from heaven. Eating pork does not defile the spirit,it goes straight into the draught. The spiritual food stays with the spirit of man,that will be resurrected at the coming. wakeup.

JESUS NEVER ATE PORK and ifhe thought you should eat it he wouldn't have cast demons into a herd of swine:

Mark 5:13
And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.

Jesus didn't declare all foods clean

Remember he ddn't comto take away the law

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