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Hi W,
God pours of His Spirit.Jl 2
” 28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. “
Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God [and not another person].
Lk 4
” 1And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,”Acts 10
“38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.”Jn 7 shows us God did not pour afresh from His Spirit into the body of Christ but only when the head of that body containing God's Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, returned to heaven.
” 37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) “
Romans 8 shows us the words spoken of the Spirit can take many forms.
God is in unity with His Son in that Spirit and with the sons of God.
Hi W,
God pours of His Spirit.Jl 2
” 28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:29And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. “
Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God [and not another person].
Lk 4
” 1And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,”Acts 10
“38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.”Jn 7 shows us God did not pour afresh from His Spirit into the body of Christ but only when the head of that body containg God's spirit returned to heaven.
” 37In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.38He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) “
Romans 8 shows us the words spoken of the Spirit can take many forms.
Hi sscott:
I would like to try to answer your question, but before I do, please let me know the specific article about the Trinity/Nature of God that you are referring.
Thanks
Quote Romans 8 shows us the words spoken of the Spirit can take many forms. Nick Romans 8 Speaks of one Spirit!
9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The same Spirit that was in Jesus the man is in us! Gods Spirit or the Word that was in the bosom of the Father!
The Words that I speak they are Spirit and the are LIFE! Jesus the Word is the quickening spirit.
9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Im done Nick!
Believe as you will.
Hi w,
Of course the Father and Son are one in the Spirit and one with the reborn adopted sons of God.Hey Nick here is a riddle for you!
Jn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Jn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Who sent the Holy Spirit!
I would say they both are sending the Spirit. The Father always hears Jesus (see lazarus). Jesus will “pray the Father” and the Father will send Him. So the Father is sending the Spirit because of the Son… therefore they are both sending the Spirit.
That's how I understand it.
Quote I would say they both are sending the Spirit. The Father always hears Jesus (see lazarus). Jesus will “pray the Father” and the Father will send Him. So the Father is sending the Spirit because of the Son… therefore they are both sending the Spirit. That's how I understand it.
Amen! Could it be they are ONE?
Great is the mystery of Godliness!
Hey Scott!
I hope that what you have seen or hear here does not discourage you in your faith! You had a very good question. As you can see there is a lot of differences of oponions concerning the GodHead.
The main thing is that you know Jesus as your personal Savior and have recieved of his Spirit being born again and the Spirit will guide you into all truth!
Bless you Brother:)
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 08 2006,00:44) Quote I would say they both are sending the Spirit. The Father always hears Jesus (see lazarus). Jesus will “pray the Father” and the Father will send Him. So the Father is sending the Spirit because of the Son… therefore they are both sending the Spirit. That's how I understand it.
Amen! Could it be they are ONE?
Great is the mystery of Godliness!
Thanks….I am born again. I questioned the Godhead when I first believed because I didn't understand it. I was told that God is a trinity and believed it. Not because I was fully conviced but because those I knew who loved Jesus believed that way. I could see scriptures that would seem to confirm the trinity and others that would seem to contradict it. As I have come out of what I would can the “Institutional Church” I have begun to question many things that I once accepted “by faith”.
A few scriptures that I cannot make fit into the trinity doctrine are:
(Psalm 2:7)
7 “I will declare the decree:
The LORD has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.John 5:26
26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,and then the scriptures in the Gospels and Revelations where Jesus, after His resurection, refers to God as “His God”.
So…here I am. What are your thoughts on those scriptures WorshippingJesus?
Hi sscott:
Isaiah 43:10 states: “You are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant who I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me”.
God is speaking to the Nation of Israel saying that they are His witnesses that there is not God but Him. They are serving Him and they know through experience that there is not God but Him.
“No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared Him”. (John 1:18)
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent”. (John 17:3)
This is how Jesus relates to Isaiah 43:10.
God Bless
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 07 2006,23:46) Hey Nick here is a riddle for you! Jn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Jn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Who sent the Holy Spirit!
Hi W,
No riddle.
Jesus sends the Spirit.
But in detail.
The Father sends the Spirit in the name of Jesus.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 07 2006,20:54) Hi W,
God begat a Son in His divine image in the “beginning”, ie before time, and that Son, the Word was with God in the beginning and all that has life, all creation was made through that Son.
Not scriptural…..Quote Thanks…. I am born again. I questioned the Godhead when I first believed because I didn't understand it. I was told that God is a trinity and believed it. Not because I was fully conviced but because those I knew who loved Jesus believed that way. I could see scriptures that would seem to confirm the trinity and others that would seem to contradict it. As I have come out of what I would can the “Institutional Church” I have begun to question many things that I once accepted “by faith”.
A few scriptures that I cannot make fit into the trinity doctrine are:
(Psalm 2:7)
7 “I will declare the decree:
The LORD has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.John 5:26
26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,and then the scriptures in the Gospels and Revelations where Jesus, after His resurection, refers to God as “His God”.
So…here I am. What are your thoughts on those scriptures WorshippingJesus?
Hi SScott
The scripture above in PSS 2 is prophetic of the Son Jesus who had not been born Yet,
The Hebrew word for begotten is: yalad {yaw-lad'} which means: to bear, bring forth, beget, gender, travail Its speaking of the natural human birth of Jesus!
It was fulfilled in the following scriptures in Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The Greek word for begotten is: monogenes {mon-og-en-ace'} which means; single of its kind, only. Monogenes was used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
Of course this was spoken of Jesus after his natural birth. Jesus the Son,the man was born by the Spirit for Mary was concieved of the Holy Spirit. So this means unlike any other natural man Jesus Father was God! This is why he was the only Begotten Son!
Some would say that Jesus had to be the Son before his natural birth or he would be born in sin like us. But this is not true because the blood line was carried through the Father of the child and not the mother! So the Word who WAS with God and who was God took on human flesh and became the second adam without sin and was given the name Jesus!
The Word made flesh!
The natural birth of Jesus was spoken in the following scriptures:
Matt 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
[21] And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
[22] Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
[23] Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
[31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
[32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
[33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
[34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.Later it was confirmed that Jesus was the Only begotten Son by the Father;
Matt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Mtt 17:15 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Interesting that the word Beloved is agapetos {ag-ap-ay-tos'} which means; beloved, esteemed, dear, favorite, worthy of love
It comes from the Root word, agapao {ag-ap-ah'-o} which means Love. God is Love.You quote also:
John 5:26
26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,and then the scriptures in the Gospels and Revelations where Jesus, after His resurection, refers to God as “His God”.
Yes the wonder of it! Jesus the man had a God it was the Father who was in him. Jesus the man said I can of myself do nothing but it is the Father who is in me he doeth the works.
Jesus was a boy as we were, yet without sin. He grew in the grace and in the knowledge of God an in favour with God and men!
The diferrence my friend is that the Spirit of Jesus was the Word of God that was with God and was God and was tabernacled among us!
The Word of the Father is Spirit and Life. The Spirit and the Word are one! This is why Jesus the man had life in himself.
He Jesus the Word Who, being in the form,
{GR. morphe;the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision}, of God, thought it not robbery to be equal,{Gr.isos;equal,in quantity or quality} with God:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
[9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
[10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
[11] And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.The beauty of the mystery of the Godhead is that God took on the form of a man,and the man took on the form of God!
II Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us the Word of reconciliation.Jesus said I and my Father are one! The writer of the book of Hebrews puts it so beautifully;
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
[2] Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
[3] Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
[4] Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
[6] And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
[7] And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
[8] But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
[9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
[10] And, Thou, Lord, in t
he beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
[11] They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
[12] And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
[13] But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?Hope this helps!
Lord Bless Keith
Hi W,
The Monogenes Son was sent into the world.
Thus he was a son before he came into the world begotten of God alone as in ps 2.
1Jn 4
” 9In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.”
He was not God in flesh as that is antichrist.
1Jn 4
” 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”
He was like to us in all ways and we are not God in flesh are we?
So we can follow him.He learned.
God does not need to learn.
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