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Hi W,
Does 1Jn 4 say the Word was sent into the world and became a son of God and Mary, or does it say the only begotten Son was sent? Did the Vineyard owner too not send his son?Hi W,
If you believe in a trinity god which person in that trinity is said to be the father of Jesus?[matt 1.20]Hi W,
You say
“There is no scripture for that because the Word is eternal. He was always in the bosom of the Father and came forth when the Father spoke.”
So now God has spoken the Word into existence
are you saying that Word does not have life in himself?Jn 8
” 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. “
Jn 5
“26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;”Quote Like any son of God Jesus had his own spirit which left him at death. His vessel was filled with the Spirit of God in the fulness of deity in the Jordan revealing the Father in every aspect to men. That Spirit of Christ was poured out filling his body on earth when he returned to God uniting them with him and also with the Father.
If you say Jesus never was truly “with God” then you deny scripture and he is the Son of God no matter what other justifications you may use, such as SON being just a title for God as some say.
1Jn 1
” 1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. ”
Hey Nick!
I cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
II Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty.
Is the Spirit of Christ in you Nick? Did Jesus come into your heart ?
Hi w,
God is spirit.God is among us and in us as the Spirit of Christ.
Yet men would foolishly divide God's Spirit from Himself as another person!!
I have no doubts as to my being in the Son. Do you?
Quote Jn 8
” 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. “
Jn 5
“26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;”Hey Nick!
Yes he was the Word but he was not the Son until he took on the form of human flesh and became a man!
“Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
[9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:Quote God is spirit. God is among us and in us as the Spirit of Christ.
Yet men would foolishly divide God's Spirit from Himself as another person!!
I have no doubts as to my being in the Son. Do you?
Did you recieve the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Jesus! Or are they the same?
Quote Does 1Jn 4 say the Word was sent into the world and became a son of God and Mary, or does it say the only begotten Son was sent? Did the Vineyard owner too not send his son? He was Beheld as the only begotten of the Father because he was a baby,
the Word made Flesh!
Quote If you believe in a trinity god which person in that trinity is said to be the father of Jesus?[ Hey Nick!
If you believe Jesus is not God why do you call him Lord in opposition of the scripture, why do you call him master when the scriptures tell us we can have only one master!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 07 2006,22:12) Quote God is spirit. God is among us and in us as the Spirit of Christ.
Yet men would foolishly divide God's Spirit from Himself as another person!!
I have no doubts as to my being in the Son. Do you?
Did you recieve the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Jesus! Or are they the same?
Hi W,
Do you understand that the Spirit of God poured into Christ is called the Spirit of Christ?
Can you separate them in Romans 8.
” 1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. “
Quote Hi W,
What does monogenes mean to you?Hey Nick! Are we using human analogys again to support our theory?
Where is “monogenes” found in the scripture? Where is trinity found in scripture?
Quote Hi W,
Do you understand that the Spirit of God poured into Christ is called the Spirit of Christ?
Can you separate them in Romans 8.So let me see you recieved the Spirit of Jesus and the Spirit of God!
Hi W,
Wherever you find “only begotten” you find monogenes in the greek.
No trinity is scripture you will agree so we should abhor such a human concept.Quote Hi w,
God is spirit.God is among us and in us as the Spirit of Christ.
Yet men would foolishly divide God's Spirit from Himself as another person!!
I have no doubts as to my being in the Son. Do you?
Hey Nick!
How about the Son being in you?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 07 2006,22:31) Quote Hi W,
Do you understand that the Spirit of God poured into Christ is called the Spirit of Christ?
Can you separate them in Romans 8.So let me see you recieved the Spirit of Jesus and the Spirit of God!
Hi W,
Indeed.
The Spirit of Christ is of the Spirit of God.Jn 14
“23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make our abode with him.”Quote Hi W,
Wherever you find “only begotten” you find monogenes in the greek.
No trinity is scripture you will agree so we should abhor such a human concept.By this Im supposed to accept words that the translaters used to fit my theology as long as it dosnt disagree with my concept of the whole!
I can go along with that Nick, but the problem you have here is that the word “ONLY BEGOTTEN” is found after the Son was born!
Hey Nick!
We can go in circles all night!
You can not dispute the truth!
The Bible teaches that GOD WAS IN CHRIST. The body, the outward human form, was Jesus, the Son of God. In Him dwelt and dwells all the fullness of the Godhead, bodily (Col. 2:9).
Nothing can be plainer than that! Mystery, yes. But actual truth — it can’t be plainer!
No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him — He has revealed Him, brought Him out where He may be seen; He has interpreted Him, and He has made Him known so that he who has seen the Christ has seen the Father (Jn. 1:18; 14:9).Amen w,
God was shown to men living in the vessel of His beloved son from the anointing in the Jordan.
Two beings in unity and order.Quote Hi W,
Indeed.
The Spirit of Christ is of the Spirit of God.Jn 14
“23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make our abode with him.”Nick!
Where do you find the Spirit of Christ is “of” the Spirit Of God.
Show me a scripture that uses this term! We need to stick with the scriptures Nick!
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