Is there proof of an afterlife?

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  • #319868
    Ed J
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    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 12 2012,00:38)
    Stu.

    Matthew 7:6   Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Do you consider YOUR opinions to be “Holy”?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #319906
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 12 2012,11:21)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 12 2012,00:38)
    Stu.

    Matthew 7:6   Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Do you consider YOUR opinions to be “Holy”?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDj.

    What comes straight out of the scriptures is Holy.

    2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any PRIVATE interpretation.

    wakeup.

    #319915
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 12 2012,17:33)
    EDj.

    What comes straight out of the scriptures is Holy.

     2 Peter 1:20   Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any PRIVATE interpretation.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup, yes, that “IS” what I keep telling you.

    Was Ezekiel told to put a “RFID Chip” in people, yes or no?

    “And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city,
     through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the
     foreheads
    of the men that sigh and that cry for all the
     abominations that be done in the midst thereof.            …(Ezekiel 9:4)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #319932
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 12 2012,00:38)
    Stu.

    Matthew 7:6   Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

    wakeup.


    Thanks for the advice.

    Stuart

    #322139
    princess
    Participant

    I too used to use such a passage, made me feel better about myself that since one could not understand how important god really was and it was a waste of time to even speak such.

    Then a few interesting facts came about, when a christian backslides or continues to sin i.e. Guncher's thread about giving up, a fellow christian will sugar coat their comments and encourage him to push on.

    Instead of saying: As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly. Proverbs 26.11. That would be discouragement and to have one fall away from christianity and be the cause of it is not very well smiled upon.
    A person could continue to commit the hedious of sins but as long as they are pushing on to become a good christian they get patted on the back and forgiven, hence the catholic church mindset. BUT what are they really thinking…………………

    For me to say it I can fully admit I have done the same time over, and when I practiced christianity I had a hard time when this would happen.
    Now it is much easier when I know that I will make mistakes just don't make the ones that are unhealthy repeatedly.

    This passage used is surely outdated to any christian, they eat the swine now so there is no real meaning to the statement, due to eating swine was once considered an abomination, and why use a pearl (which we all know is caused by an irratation) due to the times it was a precious stone, so why use money to drive a point home? Because the golden rule applies whoever has the gold rules.

    Now the last of the statement is my favorite, either the word does not come back void or it does. Multiple choice religion, that is what makes this religion so confusing, however most tend to take on the same demeanor.

    Another facinating fact the christian forefathers used other tribes to harvest oyster's, due to they were not permitted to even touch shell fish. I understand the concept, I do not even handle swine. The oil of an oyster could be used to make blue dye, and one strand of blue was to be in the tassels that they were on each corner of their garment and as any diva knows that fashion statement has been outdated for years.

    So to summarize, when someone uses this statement so bodly ask them, Do you eat swine? Have you returned to your own vomit a time or two? Are you not ashamed that you are taking your gods words and making them come back void? Do you really want to be a pearl?

    Just saying.

    #322150
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Princess.

    Now I can see how really confused you are with your christianity.

    If you dont understand the scriptures;dont blame the book.

    wakeup.

    #322212
    david
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    You have obviously never heard of Clinical Death so you need educating on this one.
    It is not the same as Biological Death.
    Clinical Death is actually reversible and is the the final state before Biological Death.
    By reason of that, it is Biological Death which is irreversible and thus you show your ignorance in more than one way in your post.

    –t8

    I'm fairly familiar with the difference between the two. As I've said on this forum before, I am frustrated that the word “clinical death” even exists.

    When people hear the word “death,” they think of what is considered “Biological death.”

    Yet, when people give stories of “dying” and coming back from the dead, it is “clinical death” that is referred to.

    It is this confusion that causes problems.

    Lazarus' death and deaths in the bible (biological death) is compared to sleep. I would say a deep sleep where the person is not conscious or aware of anything at all.

    The light and the visions are caused by a lack of oxygen getting to the brain, because the heart has stopped pumping blood (with oxygen) to the brain. (CLINICAL DEATH). Scientists can induce the exact same experience in people, without causing death.

    “The dead [biologically dead] are conscious of nothing at all.”

    #322213
    david
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 08 2012,19:11)

    Quote (Stu @ Nov. 08 2012,15:21)
    Exactly.  A near-death experience is not a death experience, and it certainly isn't an after-death experience.

    Stuart


    Lazarus was dead for 4 days and he never had a heavenly experience?


    Exactly.

    Surely he would have mentioned such an experience. M as well, if he had gone to heaven, what service would it have been to pull him out of heaven? He was dead.

    #322282
    princess
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 27 2012,12:17)
    Princess.

    Now I can see how really confused you are with your christianity.

    If you dont understand the scriptures;dont blame the book.

    wakeup.


    Ha!

    Do you eat swine Wake up?

    #322372
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (princess @ Nov. 27 2012,21:08)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 27 2012,12:17)
    Princess.

    Now I can see how really confused you are with your christianity.

    If you dont understand the scriptures;dont blame the book.

    wakeup.


    Ha!

    Do you eat swine Wake up?


    Hi Princess,

    I believe “God” and don't eat unhealthy scavenger animals; not sure if Wakeup does or not though?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #322517
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (princess @ Nov. 27 2012,21:08)

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 27 2012,12:17)
    Princess.

    Now I can see how really confused you are with your christianity.

    If you dont understand the scriptures;dont blame the book.

    wakeup.


    Ha!

    Do you eat swine Wake up?


    Princess

    I know why you ask such a silly quetsion.
    Its because you dont understand the simplest parable.

    Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

    I eat pork,but not dog.

    You dont give your treasures to the swine,for its of no value to him.But give him a carrot and he will love it.

    Give the worldly; material things, and they will love you,but give them spiritual knowledge,and they will trample it with their feet.

    wakeup.

    #322524
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 29 2012,12:24)
    Princess

     Matthew 7:6   Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

    I eat pork,but not dog.

    You dont give your treasures to the swine,for its of no value to him.But give him a carrot and he will love it.

    Give the worldly; material things, and they will love you,but give them spiritual knowledge,and they will trample it with their feet.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    Ha ha ha, feed a dog some popcorn and he will be your friend.  :)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #322838
    princess
    Participant

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    Matthew 7:6   Give not that which is holy unto the dogs

    Yeah the woman that stated to jesus that even dogs wait for crumbs and was rewarded with your faith is great passage kind of wipes this one out.

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    neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet,

    Then I shall not throw my preciousness before you, because you are what you eat.

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    and turn again and rend you.

    Quite easy to do when you don't know what you are talking about.

    But that is alright Wake up, you continue on living day by day as it could be the end of the world, and I will continue to live day by day like it is a first. You little Nostrodomous……….

    #322839
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (princess @ Nov. 30 2012,23:16)

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    Matthew 7:6   Give not that which is holy unto the dogs

    Yeah the woman that stated to jesus that even dogs wait for crumbs and was rewarded with your faith is great passage kind of wipes this one out.

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    neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet,

    Then I shall not throw my preciousness before you, because you are what you eat.

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    and turn again and rend you.

    Quite easy to do when you don't know what you are talking about.

    But that is alright Wake up, you continue on living day by day as it could be the end of the world, and I will continue to live day by day like it is a first. You little Nostrodomous……….


    Princess.

    It so seems that you could not understand that parable as well.
    Jesus came to feed his people israel with spiritual knowledge,and healings.
    Gods children; remember God was speaking through Jesus.

    This woman was not of israel,but Jesus healed her daughter anyway,because of her faith.

    Your understanding of the scriptures are very limited and yet you can quickly judge it as unreliable.But you are not the only one.

    How can you ever understand prophecies?
    It is indeed about the end of this evil system;moving forward to a new Holy system,giving the poor and oppressed a peaceful and wonderful life.

    A government under God; not under corrupt men.
    We have something great to look forward to.
    When your time has come;what have you got,but the grave.
    Please think again.

    wakeup.

    #322842
    princess
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 30 2012,23:48)

    Quote (princess @ Nov. 30 2012,23:16)

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    Matthew 7:6   Give not that which is holy unto the dogs

    Yeah the woman that stated to jesus that even dogs wait for crumbs and was rewarded with your faith is great passage kind of wipes this one out.

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    neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet,

    Then I shall not throw my preciousness before you, because you are what you eat.

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    and turn again and rend you.

    Quite easy to do when you don't know what you are talking about.

    But that is alright Wake up, you continue on living day by day as it could be the end of the world, and I will continue to live day by day like it is a first. You little Nostrodomous……….


    Princess.

    It so seems that you could not understand that parable as well.
    Jesus came to feed his people israel with spiritual knowledge,and healings.
    Gods children; remember God was speaking through Jesus.

    This woman was not of israel,but Jesus healed her daughter anyway,because of her faith.

    Your understanding of the scriptures are very limited and yet you can quickly judge it as unreliable.But you are not the only one.

    How can you ever understand prophecies?
    It is indeed about the end of this evil system;moving forward to a new Holy system,giving the poor and oppressed a peaceful and wonderful life.

    A government under God; not under corrupt men.
    We have something great to look forward to.
    When your time has come;what have you got,but the grave.
    Please think again.

    wakeup.


    In all manner of speaking Jesus was sent to be sacrificed, for god so loved the world………

    What new teachings did Jesus really bring that had not already been established. The only ritual that was removed was any that dealt with blood sacrifice.

    Your preaching Paul not Jesus.
    You can consider my knowledge of scripture as you want. Isaiah is a much harder book to swallow then revelation don't you think?
    The older prophet's words were much more to the point. But then again Ecclesiastics is a little book that packs a punch.

    When there is true unity there is no need for government by god or anyone else. It would just be.

    Love does not dicriminate against any creed, religion or otherwise, but it is harder to acheive this level then anything else in life. To attain a pure heart and thoughts is one of the most difficult things I deal with everyday.

    When you come to understand that this is the goal and not to call upon the end of the world then you too may speak and understand differently.

    The world will become what it chooses to become, there is no need to egg it on further by telling it that it has no future. By doing so ones like yourself are part of the reason why the younger generation thinks as it does.

    There may not be a tomorrow but there is today, and what you do today could change someone's tomorrow.
    Your living in the end already, so you are dead, you have nothing to give another but death and destruction.

    Physical death is part of life, I do not fear it. I don't prefer the ritual of how society buries the dead and working on making sure I am not part of such. But other then that, I am good.

    Don't miss out on today Wake up because you are so worried about tomorrow, tomorrow has enough of it's own to worry about.

    #322926
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Princess.

    The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge.
    For I recon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revaeled in us.

    We must take up our own cross,For as our Lord had suffered,
    so also we must suffer.
    We glory in tribulation also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience, patience,experience,and experience,hope.

    Paul is not seperate from the gospels,for he was appointed personally by the Lord to preach to the gentiles.
    You take care.

    wakeup.

    #322943
    david
    Participant

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    I eat pork,but not dog.

    How do you feel about cat?

    #322964
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (david @ Dec. 01 2012,13:39)

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    I eat pork,but not dog.

    How do you feel about cat?


    Hi David,

    Do you eat pork?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #323034
    princess
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 01 2012,10:58)
    Princess.

    The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge.
    For I recon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revaeled in us.

    We must take up our own cross,For as our Lord had suffered,
    so also we must suffer.
    We glory in tribulation also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience, patience,experience,and experience,hope.

    Paul is not seperate from the gospels,for he was appointed personally by the Lord to preach to the gentiles.
    You take care.

    wakeup.


    Wake up

    Suffer what?

    Discussing Pauline christianity is another subject in itself.

    Thank you Wake up, take care yourself.

    #323058
    Stu
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 01 2012,10:58)
    so also we must suffer.


    More self-flagellation then.

    Stuart

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