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Hi Everyone,
Is “the HolySpirit” AND “the spirit of Christ” the same?
Consider: what was the purpose of Jesus' baptism?What relevance (if any) does Romans 8:16 have with regard to Jesus, if he never had “a spirit” of his own?
Does Romans 8:16 not apply to Jesus?; meaning he never had “a spirit” of his own, before his baptism?
If you say he did not have “a spirit” of his own, then what was Jesus will (if not his spirit)? (Luke 22:42)
Jesus also refers to us becoming “ONE” with the Father and him, as He and the Father are “ONE”.John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee,
that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
What does John 17:21 mean with regard to us? Do we become God? Do we loose our spirit?
What happens once we are “ONE” with Jesus and His Father? This question demands an answer!
We must press and press until this question is answered (especially by WJ and Kangaroo Jack) to all our satisfaction.Romans 8:14-16 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear;
but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16: The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:This thread was prompted by a Post made by a member called “WorshipingJesus”,
I have imported the relevant parts of his Post, along with the question posed by MikeBoll64,
which lead to me decision to start this topic. I believe this topic “May” help to solve many ongoing
seemingly irreconcilable debates, such as… (there are other related debates, but I can't think of them)- “Trinity” / “No Trinity”
- “Son of God” taken to mean (by member Trinitarians): “God”
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHere is the Post that prompted me to start this thread…
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 27 2011,06:42) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2011,14:08) (Brought over from another thread in the hope of resolving the many debates) (4. Was that same son (Cane) the actual BEING of Adam?
Keith: He is a “human being” just like his Father is a “human being” and of the human kind.)By the way Keith,
You didn't answer my #4 question with a “NO”. Would you please do so, since
it is a SCRIPTURAL FACT that Cain was not the same being as Adam?
I have answered you but you don't like the answer so one more time I will answer then please don't ask me to change my answer to match yours.The answer is “NO” Cain is not the person “Adam” but he is in every way a “human being” like Adam.
Cain and Adam did not share the same Spirit did they? They each had their own Spirit.
Jesus is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ,
the Father and Jesus share the same Spirit or essence
or that which makes God, God. There is Only One Spirit.WJ
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2011,15:44) Here is the Post that prompted me to start this thread… Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 27 2011,06:42) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2011,14:08) (Brought over from another thread in the hope of resolving the many debates) (4. Was that same son (Cane) the actual BEING of Adam?
Keith: He is a “human being” just like his Father is a “human being” and of the human kind.)By the way Keith,
You didn't answer my #4 question with a “NO”. Would you please do so, since
it is a SCRIPTURAL FACT that Cain was not the same being as Adam?
I have answered you but you don't like the answer so one more time I will answer then please don't ask me to change my answer to match yours.The answer is “NO” Cain is not the person “Adam” but he is in every way a “human being” like Adam.
Cain and Adam did not share the same Spirit did they? They each had their own Spirit.
Jesus is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ,
the Father and Jesus share the same Spirit or essence
or that which makes God, God. There is Only One Spirit.WJ
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjhow can you be a brother in Christ you do not believe what Christ says.
you say;;Jesus is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ,
the Father and Jesus share the same Spirit or essence
or that which makes God, God. There is Only One Spirit.
=====================
any scripture ??Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 27 2011,11:26) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2011,15:44) Here is the Post that prompted me to start this thread… Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 27 2011,06:42) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2011,14:08) (Brought over from another thread in the hope of resolving the many debates) (4. Was that same son (Cane) the actual BEING of Adam?
Keith: He is a “human being” just like his Father is a “human being” and of the human kind.)By the way Keith,
You didn't answer my #4 question with a “NO”. Would you please do so, since
it is a SCRIPTURAL FACT that Cain was not the same being as Adam?
I have answered you but you don't like the answer so one more time I will answer then please don't ask me to change my answer to match yours.The answer is “NO” Cain is not the person “Adam” but he is in every way a “human being” like Adam.
Cain and Adam did not share the same Spirit did they? They each had their own Spirit.
Jesus is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ,
the Father and Jesus share the same Spirit or essence
or that which makes God, God. There is Only One Spirit.WJ
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjhow can you be a brother in Christ you do not believe what Christ says.
you say;;Jesus is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ,
the Father and Jesus share the same Spirit or essence
or that which makes God, God. There is Only One Spirit.
=====================
any scripture ??Pierre
Hi Pierre,You need to pay closer attention to (by who) what is being said!
Any Scripture: Romans 8:16, Luke 22:42, John 17:21, Joshua 22:34.God bless
eD J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgedj
you say;;
Posted: Feb. 27 2011,11:57——————————————————————————–
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 27 2011,11:26)
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2011,15:44)
Here is the Post that prompted me to start this thread…Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 27 2011,06:42)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2011,14:08)
(Brought over from another thread in the hope of resolving the many debates)(4. Was that same son (Cane) the actual BEING of Adam?
Keith: He is a “human being” just like his Father is a “human being” and of the human kind.)By the way Keith,
You didn't answer my #4 question with a “NO”. Would you please do so, since
it is a SCRIPTURAL FACT that Cain was not the same being as Adam?I have answered you but you don't like the answer so one more time I will answer then please don't ask me to change my answer to match yours.
The answer is “NO” Cain is not the person “Adam” but he is in every way a “human being” like Adam.
Cain and Adam did not share the same Spirit did they? They each had their own Spirit.
Jesus is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ,
the Father and Jesus share the same Spirit or essence
or that which makes God, God. There is Only One Spirit.WJ
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgedj
how can you be a brother in Christ you do not believe what Christ says.
you say;;Jesus is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ,
the Father and Jesus share the same Spirit or essence
or that which makes God, God. There is Only One Spirit.
=====================
any scripture ??Pierre
Hi Pierre,
You need to pay closer attention to (by who) what is being said!
Any Scripture: Romans 8:16, Luke 22:42, John 17:21, Joshua 22:34.God bless
eD J (Joshua 22:34)
====================================Ro 8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live,
Ro 8:14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Ro 8:15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba,Father.”
Ro 8:16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
Ro 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.in this scripture it make us understand that it is the spirit of the teachings of Christ that saves us and not the sinful nature of the flesh will,
Lk 22:42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”
this verse as nothing to do with your comment.
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:
Jn 17:23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.Christ is making known the reason for his prayer,and to become one with him and his father mean that we all submit to God by accepting Christ sacrifice for our redemption.
Jos 22:34 And the Reubenites and the Gadites gave the altar this name: A Witness Between Us that the LORD is God.
I can not see how it would imply anything to your comment that Jesus is the spirit of God.
you edj see things that no one else sees.
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 27 2011,12:36) edj you edj see things that no one else sees.
Pierre
Hi Pierre,I know; I see what you're saying, but I doubt anyone else will!
God bless
eD j (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi,
The Spirit of Christ is OF and IN the Spirit of God.
It is the image of God serving Him.
So is the Spirit of Elijah.Complex, multibraided yet ONE
Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 27 2011,11:26) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2011,15:44) Here is the Post that prompted me to start this thread… Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 27 2011,06:42) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2011,14:08) (Brought over from another thread in the hope of resolving the many debates) (4. Was that same son (Cane) the actual BEING of Adam?
Keith: He is a “human being” just like his Father is a “human being” and of the human kind.)By the way Keith,
You didn't answer my #4 question with a “NO”. Would you please do so, since
it is a SCRIPTURAL FACT that Cain was not the same being as Adam?
I have answered you but you don't like the answer so one more time I will answer then please don't ask me to change my answer to match yours.The answer is “NO” Cain is not the person “Adam” but he is in every way a “human being” like Adam.
Cain and Adam did not share the same Spirit did they? They each had their own Spirit.
Jesus is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ,
the Father and Jesus share the same Spirit or essence
or that which makes God, God. There is Only One Spirit.WJ
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjhow can you be a brother in Christ you do not believe what Christ says.
you say;;Jesus is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ,
the Father and Jesus share the same Spirit or essence
or that which makes God, God. There is Only One Spirit.
=====================
any scripture ??Pierre
Hi Pierre,If you look at the quote,
it was what WJ said;not anything I said?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2011,08:43) Hi Everyone, Is “the HolySpirit” AND “the spirit of Christ” the same?
Consider: what was the purpose of Jesus' baptism?What relevance (if any) does Romans 8:16 have with regard to Jesus, if he never had “a spirit” of his own?
Does Romans 8:16 not apply to Jesus?; meaning he never had “a spirit” of his own, before his baptism?
If you say he did not have “a spirit” of his own, then what was Jesus will (if not his spirit)? (Luke 22:42)
Jesus also refers to us becoming “ONE” with the Father and him, as He and the Father are “ONE”.John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee,
that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
What does John 17:21 mean with regard to us? Do we become God? Do we loose our spirit?
What happens once we are “ONE” with Jesus and His Father? This question demands an answer!
We must press and press until this question is answered (especially by WJ and Kangaroo Jack) to all our satisfaction.Romans 8:14-16 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear;
but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16: The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:This thread was prompted by a Post made by a member called “WorshipingJesus”,
I have imported the relevant parts of his Post, along with the question posed by MikeBoll64,
which lead to me decision to start this topic. I believe this topic “May” help to solve many ongoing
seemingly irreconcilable debates, such as… (there are other related debates, but I can't think of them)- “Trinity” / “No Trinity”
- “Son of God” taken to mean (by member Trinitarians): “God”
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Hi Ed,
Indeed the man Jesus had his own spirit which left him at calvary.[jn 19]His human spirit is not the Spirit of Christ[anointing]
He received the anointing Spirit at the Jordan and that Spirit is one with the Spirit of God.
Is the HolySpirit and the Spirit of Christ the same?
Hi Nick,
Would you say “Yes” to this question then?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgThe purpose of Jesus' baptism was simply an acknowledgement or announcement that the public phase of the teaching of the Son of Man had begun.
Jesus was not in any need of repentance or spiritual baptism.
After Jesus returned to heaven he sent the spirit of truth into the world which all sincere truth seekers benefit from. So we now have the spirit of the Father and the Son combined in one gift.
The gift of the spirit of the Father and Son combined was to have been represented by the “cup” of communion but the Pagans turned that into blood drinking and flesh eating.Colter
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 03 2012,14:18) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 27 2011,11:26) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 27 2011,15:44) Here is the Post that prompted me to start this thread… Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Feb. 27 2011,06:42) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2011,14:08) (Brought over from another thread in the hope of resolving the many debates) (4. Was that same son (Cane) the actual BEING of Adam?
Keith: He is a “human being” just like his Father is a “human being” and of the human kind.)By the way Keith,
You didn't answer my #4 question with a “NO”. Would you please do so, since
it is a SCRIPTURAL FACT that Cain was not the same being as Adam?
I have answered you but you don't like the answer so one more time I will answer then please don't ask me to change my answer to match yours.The answer is “NO” Cain is not the person “Adam” but he is in every way a “human being” like Adam.
Cain and Adam did not share the same Spirit did they? They each had their own Spirit.
Jesus is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ,
the Father and Jesus share the same Spirit or essence
or that which makes God, God. There is Only One Spirit.WJ
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjhow can you be a brother in Christ you do not believe what Christ says.
you say;;Jesus is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ,
the Father and Jesus share the same Spirit or essence
or that which makes God, God. There is Only One Spirit.
=====================
any scripture ??Pierre
Hi Pierre,If you look at the quote,
it was what WJ said;not anything I said?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjyou still believe that Christ returned at the Pentecost
Quote (Colter @ April 19 2012,21:34) The purpose of Jesus' baptism was simply an acknowledgement or announcement that the public phase of the teaching of the Son of Man had begun. Jesus was not in any need of repentance or spiritual baptism.
After Jesus returned to heaven he sent the spirit of truth into the world which all sincere truth seekers benefit from. So we now have the spirit of the Father and the Son combined in one gift.
The gift of the spirit of the Father and Son combined was to have been represented by the “cup” of communion but the Pagans turned that into blood drinking and flesh eating.Colter
Hi Colter,
Do you have any evidence for the first statement?Why would God have such an odd way to make an announcement?
Why did the Holy Spirit rest on Jesus?
Yes he did not need to be washed except to fulfill all righteousness and show us the way.
Is you view of the power of the Spirit to transform a man so limited?
Hi,
Ro 8:15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship.The one we follow also received the Spirit of sonship at the Jordan
“Today I have begotten you”
Hi T
You say
Jn 17:20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
Jn 17:21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
Jn 17:22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:
Jn 17:23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.Christ is making known the reason for his prayer,and to become one with him and his father mean that we all submit to God by accepting Christ sacrifice for our redemption.
Of course knowledge about and faith in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ SAVES NOBODY.
It just gives those who hear and do not act NO EXCUSEjn 15.22
rom 1.20
rom 2.1Hi
From WJ
“Jesus is the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ,
the Father and Jesus share the same Spirit or essence
or that which makes God, God. There is Only One Spirit.”The Spirit of Christ is of the Spirit of God but is the SPIRIT OF SONSHIP, the SERVANT SPIRIT.[phil2. mt 12.18,acts 3.26, acts 4.27, acts 4.30, rom 15.8, heb 3.6, rom 8.15 etc]
Jesus promised also to send us another counsellor,the SPIRIT OF TRUTH FROM THE FATHER.The Spirit of Christ makes us like him, a servant to God and our brothers in the vine.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2012,05:49) Quote (Colter @ April 19 2012,21:34) The purpose of Jesus' baptism was simply an acknowledgement or announcement that the public phase of the teaching of the Son of Man had begun. Jesus was not in any need of repentance or spiritual baptism.
After Jesus returned to heaven he sent the spirit of truth into the world which all sincere truth seekers benefit from. So we now have the spirit of the Father and the Son combined in one gift.
The gift of the spirit of the Father and Son combined was to have been represented by the “cup” of communion but the Pagans turned that into blood drinking and flesh eating.Colter
Hi Colter,
Do you have any evidence for the first statement?Why would God have such an odd way to make an announcement?
Why did the Holy Spirit rest on Jesus?
Yes he did not need to be washed except to fulfill all righteousness and show us the way.
Is you view of the power of the Spirit to transform a man so limited?
I've made no mention of the limitations of spirit to transform people.
Colter
* Yes, if do have proof that this was considered the beginning of Jesus ministry.The Baptism and Genealogy of Jesus
21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry.
Jesus chose this way to begin his public ministry, that you think it an odd way is something you will have to explain to Jesus. But John was puzzled as well so don’t feel bad.
Jesus didn't say that “the Holy Spirit rested upon him” at that moment.
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