Is stu guilty, unto avatar death?

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I am not opposes to Stu posting here. He instated some good discussions.
But like anyone, if you avoid answering questions on the Hot Seat, then you get a tile for each question you avoid.

If a person leaves because of that, or gets 5 tiles and cannot post, then that is up to the person. No one can make them come here or answer questions.

And is that a bad thing. No. People should answer questions if they are promoting a teaching or ridiculing a belief. If they will not answer a good question, then they are hiding something. And if they run away, that only proves that they were hiding something.

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Quote (kerwin @ April 08 2013,04:55)

T8, What should we do to avoid getting a tile in the same manner Stu obtained his last tile.

Kerwin, people are allowed to teach false doctrines on Heaven Net. That has been happening since the forum started.

What you cannot do is break the rules which are spelled out in the top forum. And the Hot Seat requires answers to must answer questions. If a person dodges a question, they get tiled.

That system works well. It is designed to stop people from preaching stuff and refusing to be challenged by questions.

Heaven Net is about checking out things to see if they are so. But some come here to criticise and to promote a belief, but are unwilling to accept good questions. This does nothing for the core mission of checking out all things to see if they are so.

If people leave then that is okay. Heaven Net is not about quantity and advertising. It is about quality discussions.

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I should also say that if Heaven Net was all accepting and just let anyone say anything and no structure or core mission to learn truth, then yeah, there might be more people, and yeah I could put up ads and make some money, but isn't the Web already full of forums like that?

Dare to be different I say.

[Charity]

Quote (david @ April 08 2013,16:50)

Is Mary…charity? I will take one of stu's tiles, if that would get him back.

Kurtzeee.

I actually injoy stu an t8 discussing things.

[Charity]

Quote (Colter @ April 07 2013,05:38)

Quote (Mary @ April 06 2013,23:30) Colter did you vote against me? errrm, I voted no….is that good or bad? Colter

there is only 1 vote for a no! an thats me! I was afraid this would end up more personal.

Ill remind you …The votes not asking who wants get ride of stu.

[Charity]

Quote (t8 @ April 08 2013,18:31)

I should also say that if Heaven Net was all accepting and just let anyone say anything and no structure or core mission to learn truth, then yeah, there might be more people, and yeah I could put up ads and make some money, but isn't the Web already full of forums like that? Dare to be different I say.

I Like shopping

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Groceries are boring. But buying a new car or house can be fun.

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Quote (david @ April 08 2013,19:50)

Is Mary…charity? I will take one of stu's tiles, if that would get him back.

People are free to leave. People are free to stay.
That was true in the beginning and is true now.
If a tile for no answer makes a person leave, then they are saying that answering the question is more uncomfortable than staying here.

And if you took the tile, then I would ask the question again. Taking his tile would not mean that he can avoid questions in the Hot Seat.

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Quote (david @ April 08 2013,20:00)

Does someone have a link to the hot seat question stu refuses to answer?

I don't have the exact location, but it all went something like this.

The question was ultimately about his belief as to how existence came from non-existence. Or how the Universe came about. Was it something, nothing, someone. He was free to add another option, but ultimately he made an argument that seemed to be saying that everything came from nothing.

When I slotted him into the Nothing category, Charity into the Something category, and myself into the Someone category, with the hope of a 3 way debate on our positions, he argued against being put in the Nothing category. He asked me to define nothing which I already did and then he wanted to know if nothing had this or that property or this and that something (something like that anyway). At which I replied something like this. If he wanted a certain property or something, then he should change his answer to something and then we would go from there.

From that point on, he refused to answer where he exactly was placed and thus the 3-way discussion about whether it was Nothing, Something, or Someone was not able to proceed.

It seemed obvious to me that he didn't like the truth and the truth was that he had a belief system that said one of the 3 options was a non-starter, and had very little reasoning or deductions about the other options. He was clearly exposed as knowing nothing and yet trying to come across as knowing more than any of us.

Putting it simply, he ridiculed people's belief in God and yet had no alternative and was not willing to answer intelligent questions regarding his position.

Because it was the Hot Seat he got tiled and he hasn't returned since.

I wish he would. But I did ask him to find an Atheist who was 10 times more intelligent than himself and get him to take over his position in the debate. Perhaps that is why he is not here. He is searching the Earth for such a person.

[Charity]

If we exist it is possible for a intellectual god to exist!
I would consider his power an perfection as similar to ours! Limited.

Can we control the cells in our body! They are as nations that war against each other! An end up destroying the body, without reaching the conculsion that the good cells are chosen an nessassary for life

[Spock]

Quote (Mary @ April 08 2013,18:54)

Quote (Colter @ April 07 2013,05:38) Quote (Mary @ April 06 2013,23:30) Colter did you vote against me? errrm, I voted no….is that good or bad? Colter there is only 1 vote for a no! an thats me! I was afraid this would end up more personal. Ill remind you …The votes not asking who wants get ride of stu.

Maybe I didn't understand the question and answered yes. I didn't take it that seriously, I just thought stu stopped posting. Didn't know there was such a thing as avatar death.

Stu also has a grudge against religion, his mind is made up, debating him becomes an escersize in futility. He won't answer questions honestly when he encounters someone who can match his materialistic contentions with spiritual or philosophically reasonable counterpoints. He resorts to name calling and obfuscation.

Colter

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I agree with you there Colter.
He was over-confident in his position, and he was challenged more deeply than he imagined and he chose to run away.

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Quote (Mary @ April 08 2013,23:27)

If we exist it is possible for a intellectual god to exist! I would consider his power an perfection as similar to ours! Limited. Can we control the cells in our body! They are as nations that war against each other! An end up destroying the body, without reaching the conculsion that the good cells are chosen an nessassary for life

If you don't believe in God and don't believe that everything just popped out of nothing, then your only option is that something has always existed and it changes. Currently it is the Universe and all consciousness too.

If it were not eternal, then it must have been preceded by nothing. Which changes your vote.

So if the something is eternal, then it can change into any amount of finite things. If it is finite, then it is preceded by nothing.

Thus an eternal something really has to contain the attributes that we see. What do we see. Design, laws, life, consciousness, love, etc. Well is that not a description for God. A law giver who is eternal and is love and a designer.

And what of evil, hate etc, well that is either from the eternal God or it is the result of turning away from the eternal God. The lack of the eternal God. So if God is light, then the lack of light is darkness.

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Reg StuarT,

I wouldn't go jumping to conclusions if I were you. If someone chooses to leave a forum and remove their avatar and sig, it may not be for the reason that you think it is. Just a hunch, I would give Him a break.

[TimothyVI]

Charity,
I wasn't given a chance to vote.
I just checked to see what the vote tally was and it said that
I had already voted.

I vote NO!

Tim

[Charity]

Quote (TimothyVI @ April 08 2013,23:33)

Charity, I wasn't given a chance to vote. I just checked to see what the vote tally was and it said that I had already voted.   I vote NO! Tim

Methods always win Tim, the finger can't point in two directions!

As it was with Jesus. If he was loved, in which he was, there would not have been such a commotion to cut him off by the Jews, no mean the Romans.

Time tell the truth

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Quote (TimothyVI @ April 09 2013,02:33)

Charity, I wasn't given a chance to vote. I just checked to see what the vote tally was and it said that I had already voted.   I vote NO! Tim

Okay, I will mentally note an extra vote there when I check the poll each hour.

BTW, are you interested in taking over Stu's position and argue how existence came from nothing.

I haven't found an Atheist willing to put their faith on the line like those who believe in God. I could be forgiven for thinking that Atheists have no evidence. But you can set the record straight and as a favour for all Atheists of the world.

[Charity]

Quote (t8 @ April 09 2013,16:03)

Quote (TimothyVI @ April 09 2013,02:33) Charity, I wasn't given a chance to vote. I just checked to see what the vote tally was and it said that I had already voted.   I vote NO! Tim Okay, I will mentally note an extra vote there when I check the poll each hour. BTW, are you interested in taking over Stu's position and argue how existence came from nothing. I haven't found an Atheist willing to put their faith on the line like those who believe in God. I could be forgiven for thinking that Atheists have no evidence. But you can set the record straight and as a favour for all Atheists of the world.

I think its a problem when there is only two choices offered.

believer or Atheist as you say.

Jesus or Barabas…which one do you want to Live t8?
Maybe you dont like either, but your forced to pick one. they call that politics.

People can believe in God. Maybe they dont believe according to the way we have been demanded to believe.

Maybe we think God is different to what has been presented as the choices.

[TimothyVI]

I think it is interesting that Jesus was the son of God,
and Barabas means son of god.

Did this mean that there was no difference?

Tim

[TimothyVI]

Quote (t8 @ April 09 2013,16:03)

Okay, I will mentally note an extra vote there when I check the poll each hour. BTW, are you interested in taking over Stu's position and argue how existence came from nothing. I haven't found an Atheist willing to put their faith on the line like those who believe in God. I could be forgiven for thinking that Atheists have no evidence. But you can set the record straight and as a favour for all Atheists of the world.

No T8,

I have seen that you are content in remaining ignorant to science. Also that there are some people that you would rather not have in your forum. I have enjoyed my visit to Heaven net but I suspect that I will be leaving soon as well.

There was a time when members could differ in opinion here without ridicule, but no longer.

Tim

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