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The Encyclopædia Britannica comments: “There is no indication of the observance of the Easter festival in the New Testament, or in the writings of the apostolic Fathers. The sanctity of special times was an idea absent from the minds of the first Christians.”—(1910), Vol. VIII, p. 828.
The Catholic Encyclopedia tells us: “A great many pagan customs, celebrating the return of spring, gravitated to Easter. The egg is the emblem of the germinating life of early spring. . . . The rabbit is a pagan symbol and has always been an emblem of fertility.”—(1913), Vol. V, p. 227.
In the book The Two Babylons, by Alexander Hislop, we read: “What means the term Easter itself? It is not a Christian name. It bears its Chaldean origin on its very forehead. Easter is nothing else than Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven, whose name, . . . as found by Layard on the Assyrian monuments, is Ishtar. . . . Such is the history of Easter. The popular observances that still attend the period of its celebration amply confirm the testimony of history as to its Babylonian character. The hot cross buns of Good Friday, and the dyed eggs of Pasch or Easter Sunday, figured in the Chaldean rites just as they do now.”—(New York, 1943), pp. 103, 107, 108; compare Jeremiah 7:18.
Quote (david @ April 05 2007,21:31) tropical.
Hi David,WHere I live it is not “tropical” yet. But in another month perhaps.
Tim
I hope we meaning the regular members who are current, are all in agreement that the Christain Holidays are of pagen roots?
If so, then why do you suppose the early Christains didn't celebrate any holidays, as posted earlier?
I think they did. The first Christains weren't Christains at all. They were Messianites. They followed the Messiah and His taught ones, who all celebrated the Feasts of YHWH. Passover, Unleavened Bread, Tabernacles, according to the Torah and the prophets.
The early Christains were a mixed blend of Messianites and Sun-worshipers. Eventually Roman Constantine in his effort to make one “universal” Catholic religion, used the pagen traditional holy days and said they were for God. “Jesus” combined Tammuz and “Y'shua”, (a new name). The tree grew and spread over the wall, next to the fountain….. Jacob's blessing on Joseph (israel).
“Iron mingled with clay.” Daniel's interpretaion of the reigns of the political religion.Till heaven and earth pass, not one jot or one tittle shall pass from the law 'till all be fulfilled.
John 5:43
“I have come in My Father’s Name and you do not receive me,
if another comes in his own name, him you would receive.”I love Christmas and Easter! I love birthdays and anniversaries! I love milestones and the turning of seasons!
One person considers one day more holy than the next………do everything unto the LORD!
One person can only eat veggies while another person can eat meat……..everything the LORD has made is clean!If you love the law – keep it (if you can).
Just don't pass judgement on those of us who cannot keep it and choose not to.
Mercy triumphs over judgement.
Remove the plank from your eye so that you can see clear enough to remove the speck from my eye.God esteems a humble and contrite heart.
Not 3,
You love the Devil. The master of deception. Then you can also love sun-day and pre-marital sex if it makes you feel good! I used to love pre-marital sex, I thought it was an expression of the love I had for my boyfriend. When I quit having unmarried sex, he dumped me after five years!I do not judge, His law judges all. And you would be wise to heed it. We are judged by our works.
I have removed the plank from my eye, now I can see. I raised my children celebrating Easter and Christmas. I am guilty of it. I was wrong, because I ignored His appointed times and followed after man-made holydays. The church made up those days, not according to His will, but according to pagen sun-god worship.
If you choose to follow those traditions after you already know the truth of the matter, you will be judged by Him, not me.
I stand for Him and what He did, and what He commands. Go ahead and ignore Him if you wish but that is like telling the lifeguard you want a different lifejacket, because you don't like the color of the one he offers you. Then you drown.
PS. Anniversaries, birthdays, are good, they do not cover the meaning of His appointed Feasts, like X-mas and Easter do.
Anytime we “replace” one of His commands or His appointed times with man-made ones, is when it is wrong. That also is trampling His works underfoot!!!
Quote (Laurel @ July 16 2007,05:18) Not 3,
You love the Devil. The master of deception. Then you can also love sun-day and pre-marital sex if it makes you feel good! I used to love pre-marital sex, I thought it was an expression of the love I had for my boyfriend. When I quit having unmarried sex, he dumped me after five years!I do not judge, His law judges all. And you would be wise to heed it. We are judged by our works.
I have removed the plank from my eye, now I can see. I raised my children celebrating Easter and Christmas. I am guilty of it. I was wrong, because I ignored His appointed times and followed after man-made holydays. The church made up those days, not according to His will, but according to pagen sun-god worship.
If you choose to follow those traditions after you already know the truth of the matter, you will be judged by Him, not me.
I stand for Him and what He did, and what He commands. Go ahead and ignore Him if you wish but that is like telling the lifeguard you want a different lifejacket, because you don't like the color of the one he offers you. Then you drown.
Laurel,I find this post extremely unappropriate. Your behavior is not bearing any fruit of the Spirit. I would ask that you refrain from the accusations and stick to topics. I would beg that you love your brothers and sisters instead of standing in judgement over them.
Out of the heart the mouth speaks.
He diciplines whom He loves. Have you ever been diciplined by your Dad when you were a kid? Did you ever have a spanking, put in the corner for a time out? Did it hurt?
Better to know the truth now, then to be kept out of heaven later.
If it hurts, then it probably needs to hurt.
When you said you love Easter it makes me want to puke! It make me sick. I'm not saying that to make you hate me, I'm saying that because it is a pagen festival in which the eggs of Ishtar were dipped in the blood of sacrificed infants, as a part of the “spring time” feast of fertility. It was celebrated according to the sun, which it still is today. Are you oblivious to the truth?
I am against murdering innocent children. In YHWH's law there is no such thing as dying eggs. Passover is about Messiah and how things were then, and still are, and always be to those who believe and obey Him.
Quote (Laurel @ July 16 2007,07:07) He diciplines whom He loves. Have you ever been diciplined by your Dad when you were a kid? Did you ever have a spanking, put in the corner for a time out? Did it hurt? Better to know the truth now, then to be kept out of heaven later.
If it hurts, then it probably needs to hurt.
Hey Laurel, do you know Tim2?
Tim 2,
Speaks of a woman who knows her place. She is to be submissive to her husband who is her authority. That is why it is so important to choose your husband wisely.We can set an example to our husband on how to love and submitt to Messiah, because Messiah is over the man, just as the Father is over Messiah.
So to answer your question. Yes I do.
Quote (Laurel @ July 16 2007,07:07) Are you oblivious to the truth?
As a matter of fact, I am “oblivious” to the truth you are sharing. I have never heard that celebrating holidays such as Easter and Christmas were wrong OR what their pagen relationships were.However, because of your behavior and lack of love for your brothers and sisters, I cannot hear you now. I cannot be saved from my devil-worship because you have turned me away. Speak the *truth* if you will……..but I can assure you that many will not hear from you because you speak not with love, but with judgement on your tongue.
Sister, please go and learn what it means to love God and to love his children. Then you will be effective with dividing the written Word of God.
For now, I will refrain from engaging you. I see no need to heap condemnation into my life when I have been washed by the blood of Jesus. I know who the accusor of the brethern is. I will not listen to him.
I WILL PREACH THE GOSPEL EVERYWHERE I GO
AND WHEN NECESSARY, I WILL USE WORDS.Not 3,
I apologize for being so straight forward you said in an earlier post to me that you were a member of a church that taught the Feasts, you said you were a member of that church for years.I assumed then that you were aware of the pagen customs of Easter and Christmas. The Bible is full of places that reveal how we went after pagen gods and we meaning Israel and the gentiles. The new testament is about Paul going to these cities and teaching the gospel. Then he goes back and check on them and finds they have also gone back to their old pagen customs. Pauls tells them it is wrong to celebrate the pagen holidays and why. Look at Ephesians.
See for yourself how many pagen gods are mentioned in the New Testament, and more in the old. The new testament says that the whole world worshipped Diana. Another name for Estarte.
It began with Nimrod who was the founder of Babylon. Sun worship is the reason Elohim crushed the tower of Babel and made everyone speak different languages. This was to stop the sun worship. Since then each nation has continued worshiping the sun god, the wife of the son god and the son of the so called virgin sungodess.
The whole mess is a twisted version, a man made interpretation of YHWH, Y'shua Messiah and the virgin Mary.
The sick thing about this replacement for the true Messiah was the way they did it.
Virgins were impregnated on the alter, Scripture refers to these women as temple whores. Scripture tells us that these people sacrificed their children and burned them in fire, and the priests ate them.
When the Messiah came, this sort of thing was still happening in various places around the world. This is also where the word cannibalism comes from. They were priests of Ba'al. Ba'al is sun worship, that began in Babylon.
Scripture teaches us to come out of Babylon, and that in the last days, all sun worship will come to an end. YHWH will destroy all the places of sun worship. Sun worship is in all the world.
Jer 10 says
An evergreen tree was cut from the woods with an ax, it was decorated with gold and silver balls, commorating Nimrod who was a self made eunuck, he castorated himself, to show the blind followers that he was faitful to God. When he died they made him into a god. The sun god. His wife Ishtar (or Estarte or Easter or Sumramis, or Ashteroth), got preagnant after Nimrod died. She told everyone she was impregnated by the rays of the sun. Her son Tammuz was born. He was born on Dec. 25th. When Tammuz was 40 years old he was gored to death by a wild boar. The people did 40 days of weeping for Tammuz one day for each year of his life. They did this every year, and durring those forty days the people would give up some earthly pleasure in hopes that Tammuz would receive it in the after life. The forth month of the Jewish calander is named after Tammuz, to their shame.Roman Constantine who lived in the third century after the death of the Messiah, worshipped Mithra, the sun diety of Rome. Constantine said he was a follower of the Savior. He instuted Sun-day as the official sabbath, and instituted the Sun Feasts as the official holy days for this savior. He renamed the sun gods to be Jesus, Mary and LORD God. The holy days that were so important to YHWH our Elohim, were null, and voided by Constantine and his followers, the powerfull Catholic church.
Followers of Messiah were imprisoned and sometimes murdered for resting on the 7th day of the week and for celebrating in YHWH's appointed seasons. The Crusades also killed many true followers of Messiah, when the were ridding Jerusalem of the bad guys.
Today we arround the world continue in these sun rituals and most do it without even knowing why.
So I'll ask you, why Easter bunnies and eggs, why christmas trees, why lent?
Our Father's have inherited lies and there is no profit in them.
Oh sister, search the Bible and you will see many, many, things that were once hidden, are now right there for us to understand.
And again I apologize for being so hard on you, I thought you knew.
Read revelations and see what happens to Babylon.Laurel,
Thank you for your apology and for posting in such a way that draws me to the information that you have. There are a lot of Mandy's out there (that's me, by the way
) that have been raised in the church, but are largely unaware of the pagen influences on the church. I only recently became aware that the Trinity wasn't true back in 2003.I looked up Jeremiah 10 and just got done reading it. At first, I was scared when I read about the evergreen tree and couldn't believe my eyes! All these years, bringing evergreens into my house for Christmas! But as read it again, I noticed that in verse 3 it talks about the “craftsman shaping” the tree with his chisel, and then I realized it was not referring to a Christmas tree…..but a tree that is made into an idol.
This tree is compared to a scarecrow (a man or person) who “cannot talk.” It also is compared to idols that in verse 8 can “teach.” Much like idols of the Buddah nature – the idol referred to in Jeremiah is a god that is “worthless” and made of wood. I do not see how this chapter is speaking of Christmas trees. But I am certainly open to hearing more on this subject. Of course, my hearts desire is to please the Father and his Son. If I must give up Christmas trees, then God help me to do it!
Laurel and No3in1 Have been reading all of your posts and I am so glad it turned out with an apology. I agree with you Laurel on Christmas and Easter. We have not had a Christmas tree in our Homes since 1984 when God called us. It was the hardest thing I have ever done. It was always a Family affair with us. It tore our Family apart. But my Husband and I have always walked the way God showed us at times in our Lives. Therefore I thank God that He did call us out of Babylon. Jesus was not even born on Dec.25. not3in1 your Heart is in the right place and I believe God has called you.
I have a suggestion for us all that we pray for each other. We sure need it in this confused world.
I cant wait til all is over.
Peace Mrs.IM4TruthThank you all for being kind and loving. I get a bit sensitive about the holidays because I also am guilty of celebrating the replacement Feasts. I raised my children the way I was raised and so on… Now, we all are on the same page, my mom, my children, and myself. I have sisters and other family that still celebrate them, but they don't study Scripture like the rest of us either.
I was happy to get out of Babylon and see the celebrations that were made for us by our Father in heaven. The hardest part is telling family that I won't be over for Christmas. Last year I got together with my mom and sisters for dinner. It was that time of year but they all respected my beliefs and we did not exchange gifts or do anything that ralated to Christmas. We had a nice visit.
I celebrate Y'shua's bithrday in October durring the Feast of Tabernacles. I actually didn't build a Tabernacle, but this year I am going to pitch a tent in the yard, since my mom is old, I will invite her to have a meal and prayer in it.
My son will be home from the war in Iraq. He has been doing much Bible study while in Iraq. He is excited to share the Feasts with me, since we don't know anyone else around here who does. The last one we had together was Passover in 2006.
About Jer. 10:3 I have the KJV. It says they decorated the tree with gold and silver.
It goes on to say how the tree became an idol, but that it has no power to speak, etc. It is saying that only Elohim has power and we shouldn't think there is anything special about a tree.I did a study about the Celtic people and their Druid priests. They were doing human sacrifices. I found out that many customs of Christmas came from them, or at least through them, for instance miseltoe, and yule logs. The Druids were priests of the “groves.”
Revelations says do not harm the trees UNTIL I have sealed my people in their forheads. I think this refers to the evergreen trees that get destroyed each year before Christmas. I think Tabernacles is going to be the time when the Messiah comes to judge. It usually falls in or around October.This year Sept 13th -is Trumpets and day one of YHWH's 7th month. Day 10 (Sept. 21 at evening-Sept.22 evening)is the Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles begins Sept 27 at evening which would be the beginning of the 14th day of the 7th month through Oct. 4th.
It would be so neat if the whole town, got together and camped out for Tabernacles.
Well, I'm very happy we can all keep talking. It's important to me.
While some may love…Christmas, for example, the real question is:
Does Jesus?
The facts are:
–It is the birthday of the sun god, not his birthday.
–How does Jesus and his father view false gods?
–He commanded us to memorialize his death and nothing else.
–The earliest Christians refused to celebrate his birthday or any one else's. Why?
–Greed and commercialism have taken over this holiday.
–It's not primarily about Jesus–most people who celebrate Christmas do not even believe in Jesus.Any encyclopedia will tell you the origins of Christmas and it's many customs are pagan.
The tree, the lights, the exchange of gifts, the holly, mistletoe, the day itself, etc.
Does giving paganism a Christian name change what it truly is?Is syncretism a Biblical idea? What Bible accounts can we compare? How did Jehovah feel when they called their calf worship a “festival to Jehovah.” Did that make it ok, or did many people die that day? Did Jehovah hate what they were doing?
If the world celebrates Christmas and Jesus said his followers would be “no part of the world,” should we not “make sure of all things.”?david
David,
I have a secret to show you. Remember the words “the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”? Read it again from verse 1 to the end of the chapter. John 1Notice a few things, the word dwelt is translated from tabernacle.
The word light, Y'shua is the light of the world.
What two holidays do people today use lights in commoration of doctrine? Christmas and Hanukah!
It was Hanukah when Y'shua preached, “I am the light.”Now look at the birth account in Matt.2. See how Herod saught to kill the child Y'shua who was to become the ruler of Israel. His birth was kept secret for a reason.
There were some however who were given to know about His birth, and those few did celebrate! They traveled from Babylon (those wise men) and brought Him gifts. I will make it clear they did not give eachother gifts.
Another tradition of Christmas is the “manger” scene. The manger represents the Tabernacle, a temporary dwelling part of the Feast, all Israel lived in a Tabernacle for a one week period. Now all the people were gathered together at this time making it the perfect time to conduct an account for the people for the purpose of collecting taxes.One more reason it seems like no one celebrated is to show those who have done their homework, that His birth is only one part of the fulfillmant of Tabernacles.
Trumpets is the first day in the month of Tabernacles. Trumpets is a time of anticipation for those who celebrate it. It is a time of calling our attention to some great event that our heavenly Father wants us to see.Lastly look back at Jer. 10 again. Read about the great sorrow YHWH has for His people no longer celebrate Tabernacles, instead they chop this tree from the woods and set it up with a hammer and nails and decorate it with gold and silver circles. The teachings of the pastors are brutish.
When you read the Scriptures, look into the Word, rather than at it. Let it sink in, ask for understanding. Read slowly, don't skim over it.
Celebrate the birth of Y'shua. He is our Salvation form YHWH. Just do it at the appropriate time. If you do you will be given gifts of His Spirit, and if you teach your children the same, they also will be given gifts of the Spirit.
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