Is moralism wrong?

[NickHassan]

Hi CON,
For many moralism is a false hope of salvation.
Akin to attempting to apply the OT to our lives to attempt to attain to righteousness.
The Law of the Spirit can do that from within and that is the plan of God-good fruit by His Spirit but not by man's striving.

Zech 3 Ps 46

[NickHassan]

Hi CON,
Some men hold up the mirror to their ways and cannot find fault but it is what God does through us that is useful do you agree?

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 24 2009,01:32)

Hi CON, Some men hold up the mirror to their ways and cannot find fault but it is what God does through us that is useful do you agree?

I agree, but that could be construed as poor morals and ethics, could it not?

[NickHassan]

Hi CON,
Either God does it …. or we try .. and waste our time and His.
The Spirit teaches and leads to useful behaviours but we can get in the road interfering.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 24 2009,01:39)

Hi CON, Either God does it …. or we try .. and waste our time and His. The Spirit teaches and leads to useful behaviours but we can get in the road interfering.

God is the originator of morals.

[Constitutionalist]

God has given people autonomy in a wide range of areas. We make choices every day about how to spend our time and money, whether to do right or wrong and even whether to follow God or not. God does not force us to do his will, for he wants us to choose to do what is right (2 Cor 9:7, 1 Jn 4:18).

[Constitutionalist]

God is not merely our physical superior, but our mental, intellectual and moral superior

[NickHassan]

Hi CON,
Indeed.
But His will is that we are led by His Spirit.[Gal5]
Sooner or later we have to trust Him and let His Spirit rule because the sons of God are led by the Spirit of God[Rom8].

[Constitutionalist]

The moral argument seeks to exploit the fact; If moral facts are a kind a command, the moral argument asks, then who commanded morality? And if God is the commander of morality should we not follow the morals he sets forth?

[Constitutionalist]

Morality proves the existance of God.

[Constitutionalist]

What the Moral Argument Proves: If the moral argument can be defended against the various objections that have been raised against it, then it proves the existence of an author of morality, of a being that has authority over and that actively rules over all creation. Together with the ontological argument, the first cause argument, and the argument from design, this would give us proof that there is a perfect, necessary, and eternal being that created the universe with life in mind and has the authority to tell us how we are to run it. The correct response to this would be to seek God’s will and to practice it.

[NickHassan]

HI CON,
Is there not a better way than attempting to do it ourselves?
The Sons of God are led by the Spirit of God.
Let the Spirit control your lives.

“There is a way that seems right to men….”
?moralism.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 24 2009,01:53)

HI CON, Is there not a better way than attempting to do it ourselves? The Sons of God are led by the Spirit of God. Let the Spirit control your lives. “There is a way that seems right to men….” ?moralism.

If God is in you, then it is never by yourself, it is you in God that does it.

Ying and Yang

[NickHassan]

Hi CON,

We would like to think so.

But we have a will Just as Jesus did [Gethsemene] and that will can lead us to moralism instead of submission.
Only one way can bear useful fruit.

[NickHassan]

Hi CON,
THose invested with a deposit [an earnest of the Spirit] who do not produce some interest on that deposit can have it removed.[Mt25]
Only half the bridesmaids were taken in the the groom.[Mt25]

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 24 2009,02:08)

Hi CON, THose invested with a deposit [an earnest of the Spirit] who do not produce some interest on that deposit can have it removed.[Mt25] Only half the bridesmaids were taken in the the groom.[Mt25]

And that has to do with morality how? The bridesmaids had more to do with presumption did it not?

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
Either way they had been given the light and oil but failed to obtain more.
The sons of God are led by the Spirit which gives light.
Grace must lead to more grace.

We work out our salvation in fear and trembling not in presumption.
'Walk while the light is with you.'

[NickHassan]

Hi CON,
It is a mistake to think that if we have been given the Spirit that it is signed sealed and finished as it is only the start.
The land of Canaan has been entered but the idols must be thrown down and the inhabitants expelled.
Only then can the land of weed and thorns grow things that are useful to the Owner.

The Sons of God are LED by the Spirit of God.
All creation awaits the revelation of the sons of God.

[Tim Kraft]

Moralism is nothing more than self-righteousness! Moralism is a man made mental drug that salves a dirty consciousness and says its ok you are doing good! Moralism can not know God/Love. Love makes no judgments. No judgments means no wrong. Individual choice. If one does kindness from love then he is of God. If one does kindness by obedience or through subjection of any sort then it has been done apart from Love. Love gives, love does not obey. Love has no resistence against anything. Love is free. If someone larger commands someone smaller to sit on his lap and love him, the obedience to that command is from fear not love. Bless you, TK

[NickHassan]

Hi TK,
Certainly the world's popular religions are based on the deceit of moralism.
We do not know ways of righteousness and how God sees us.

We must implore the Master for the revelation of God's will[Mt6] and the grace to do it.
But it will be a lot easier than what we might imagine He would want.

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