Is moralism wrong?

[Not3in1]

I would not like God to act anyway other than he wishes.

However, how we understand his ways and actions is limited.

You can settle on one way to interpret the various written words, but you may be wrong.

[Not3in1]

Thanks for the chat.

Gotta run. Our states football team has it's opener today. Big party here…..

Mandy

[NickHassan]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 15 2008,07:06)

I would not like God to act anyway other than he wishes. However, how we understand his ways and actions is limited.   You can settle on one way to interpret the various written words, but you may be wrong.

Hi not3,
Beware the merchants of confusion serving vain intellect.
There is safety in childlike simplicity.

2Cor11
1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
As soon as religious men take to themselves the right to apply rules to the world then they show they are not of the kingdom… which is not of the world.

[NickHassan]

Hi Jh,
We should not become dour, negative moralists who go around scowling, judging the world and telling those of the world what they cannot do. If they are outside of the kingdom then it makes little difference what they do and do not do. Rather we should be practical, kind and positive little joygerms who draw others to the kingdom by the light within.
1Peter 2
12Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

13Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

14Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

15For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

16As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

17Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
So moralism concentrates on externals as if the works of men could ever please God.

It takes salvation out of the picture and substitutes the thought that man can save himself by works.

Paul was offended by the idolatry of Athens in acts 17 but he did not try to change the culture or the laws but did what God wanted, he spoke of the kingdom and a remnant listened and responded.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
The worst part about moralism is the bad image it gives to the kingdom. God gives us joy and power and love for people so withdrawing from society and getting around looking miserable is never going to draw anyone to Christ

[NickHassan]

Hi WIT,
You ask “is slavery wrong?”.

Man is so easily distracted into developing a comprehensive sin index when Jn3 and Jn 16 show us that the real sin problem we must face is rejection of the Son of God and refusal to accept the salvation God offers through him.

After we miss that opportunity and die to face judgement the only remaining hope is the mercy of God and that mercy is limited to the merciful as Mt25 shows.

[wild_olive_branch]

…………and beside them shall be other men and woman, burning in the fire of judgement, and their torment is everlasting. these are they who have forsaken the commanment of God and followed the (persuation?) of the devils. (apocalypse of peter)

[NickHassan]

Hi W.O.B,
Haven't read that book for awhile.
Most are quite happy to leave it out of the canon.

[wild_olive_branch]

hey nick,

i can understand why some would like to leave it out of the cannon, not for the light hearted, could be it does not sit well with the doctrine they preach, i truly don't know.

if you love the Lord with all your heart, might and soul and follow his commandments, we do well.  

oh btw………joygerms, the spirit had to send you that one…….too much

much love to you and yours nick.

[NickHassan]

blessings WOB

[NickHassan]

For CA,
Can man make himself moral and would it help if he did?

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 13 2008,15:08)

Hi, Surely moralism is making ourselves little lords and applying to others what external laws we have found. Is this not just a distraction from listening to and obeying our Lord and master?

Your Lord doesn't require you to have and display good sound morals?

Moral: Morals: Morality: Pertaining to, expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations, capable of conforming to the rules of right conduct: a moral beingcapable of conforming to the rules of right conduct: a moral being, conforming to the rules of right conduct (opposed to immoral ): a moral man, virtuous in sexual matters; chaste, of, pertaining to, or acting on the mind, feelings, will, or character: moral support, morals, principles or habits with respect to right or wrong conduct, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.

Synonyms:

Upright, honest, straightforward, open, virtuous, honorable, integrity, standards, morality.

Morals, ethics refer to rules and standards of conduct and practice.

Morals refers to generally accepted customs of conduct and right living in a society, and to the individual's practice in relation to these: the morals of our civilization.

Ethics now implies high standards of honest and honorable dealing, and methods.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Not3in1 @ Sep. 13 2008,18:17)

Jesus wasn't into legalism, so he must have dug moralism.  After all he said things like:  be kind, don't kill eachother, forgive one another, don't stone a prostitute, if you have to work on the Sabbath don't sweat it too much and so on. So what's the debate between moralism and legalism? Thanks, Mandy

Those moralisms Jesus must've “dug” were the Ten Commandments.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 13 2008,19:29)

Hi not3, Legalism surely refers to the harsh letter of the OT Law and not the freeing inner Law of the Spirit.

The Law is not harsh unless you transgress it without repentance.

The Inner Law of the Spirit is not harsh unless you transgress it without repentance.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Tiffany @ Sep. 13 2008,20:00)

So if we are not under legalism any longer, which IMO we should, what is right or wrong then. Everything goes, that is what this world has become. But as Christian we should have some kind of legalism. Even tho I agree that we are not under the OT laws anymore, but all laws have been magnified by Jesus and God's law should be written in our hearts. And we should do them because we love God. That is what God wants. Jesus fulfilled the law and we are under the law of Love. We are not lawless. All of that I have explained in the Covenant tread. Mandy makes a good point. Peace and Love Irene

Bless your heart.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Sep. 13 2008,20:34)

Hi Irene, No man can write the Law of the Spirit on his own heart. Jesus did not come to save the world but to save men from it.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:17

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. John 12:47

And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world. 1John 4:14

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. Galations 6:14

This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 1Timothy 1:15

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 19 2009,17:25)

Hi, So moralism concentrates on externals as if the works of men could ever please God. It takes salvation out of the picture and substitutes the thought that man can save himself by works. Paul was offended by the idolatry of Athens in acts 17 but he did not try to change the culture or the laws but did what God wanted, he spoke of the kingdom and a remnant listened and responded.

Morality comes from the heart.

[Constitutionalist]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 19 2009,17:30)

Hi, The worst part about moralism is the bad image it gives to the kingdom. God gives us joy and power and love for people  so withdrawing from society and getting around looking miserable is never going to draw anyone to Christ

I truly believe your confusing morals with something else.

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