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keeper 77 I have to get in here and say something. You are forgetting that the Father is greater than all. He is above all in in us all.
We were in the Catholic Church til we were 46 and 47 years old. I taught 4 of our Children the trinity doctrine. 3 of our Sons went to the Catholic School and were very much taught in that doctrine.
So do not come here and distract with some other scriptures that do not prove the doctrine at all. You are so wrong in doing so.
The Apostles did not teach it and it first was taught by Quintus Florens Tertullian
Trinity is nowhere found in the Bible. It is not of God.
Ephesians 4:4-6 read it.Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 06 2008,04:57) keeper 77 I have to get in here and say something. You are forgetting that the Father is greater than all. He is above all in in us all.
We were in the Catholic Church til we were 46 and 47 years old. I taught 4 of our Children the trinity doctrine. 3 of our Sons went to the Catholic School and were very much taught in that doctrine.
So do not come here and distract with some other scriptures that do not prove the doctrine at all. You are so wrong in doing so.
The Apostles did not teach it and it first was taught by Quintus Florens Tertullian
Trinity is nowhere found in the Bible. It is not of God.
Ephesians 4:4-6 read it.Peace and Love Mrs.
I am not Catholic and I am not teaching any doctrine I am just stating my view on the what the bible says and I am not using “other scriptures” that distract I take these at face value along with the scriptures that state the opposite. I know that Gods ways are above our own. I am only making a pointDo you take these scriptures at face value? Read this again what does this mean, clearly God is speaking of Jesus here and God says “I am he”
Isaiah 43:10
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Who is the Father
Who is the Son or What was Jesus Vessel, God in the Flesh, another prophet
Who is the Holy Spiritand what are they then. Is Jesus a God in Himself and the Holy Spirit a God in himself as well? God said there was not God formed before Him or after Him there is 1 God only. I read Eph 4:4-6 I know it it says one body.
I am not trying to says this is how it is I am just looking for the truth and the truth is clearly the bible show both.
Be Blessed Friends!
Hi k77,
Many are called gods, apart from our God, in scripture
Angels, Satan, men and Jesus.That does not make them our God.
For US there is one God, the Father.
1Cor8
4As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Are YOU one of US?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2008,05:32)
Are YOU one of US?I am starting to think not I guess:
Your verse here I guess contradicts itself a bit I think
6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Again
1 0Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Is Jesus your savior did his crucification on the cross save your soul from death? If so who IS He. God said “Beside me there is no saviour” How can He be your savior if God is the only savior?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made…10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not…14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
I thank you Nick for all of your posts on this subject.
Hi k77,
Is Jesus Christ the Son of God or not?
Was he given all authority in heaven and on earth?
Indeed he was a vessel for his God to come to earth.2Cor5
18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 06 2008,04:57) The Apostles did not teach it and it first was taught by Quintus Florens Tertullian
Actually you will see in the Didache, a collective work of the early churches that was finalized somewhere between 50-150 AD, that baptism should be done in the name of the Father Son and the Holy Spirit:Quote 7:2 Having first recited all these things, baptize {in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit} in living (running) water.
…
7:5 But if thou hast neither, then pour water on the head thrice in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.Quintus Florens Tertullian lived in 160-220 AD
Therefore, there is NO WAY Tertullian was the first person to teach the concept. The Father Son and the Holy Spirit
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2008,06:12) Hi k77,
Is Jesus Christ the Son of God or not?
Was he given all authority in heaven and on earth?
Indeed he was a vessel for his God to come to earth.2Cor5
18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
What scripture states that Jesus was a vessel? Or that He considers Himself as one?Your use of the word of “his God” and not “our” concerns me. I hope that is was a typo..
Hi K77,
See 2Cor 5.19
God was IN Christ, not AS CHRISTNo typo
His God and our God
Jn20
17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.Hi K77,
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2008,05:32)“Are YOU one of US?
I am starting to think not I guess:”
So if you are not one of the US Paul was writing to
you had better become one of USQuote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2008,06:57) So if you are not one of the US Paul was writing to
you had better become one of US
So we come back to the original topic of this thread if you need to believe in the trinity to be saved. So your are saying that if you believe in the trinity you are not saved then?Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior do you believe He died on the cross for your sins and on the third day rose again and ascended into Heaven?Do you believe this is the Savior the Lord spoke of the redeemer of mankind?
If you do the read verse 11 again:
Isaiah 43:11
11 I, even I, am the LORD,
and apart from me there is no savior.[\B]Father,Son,Holy Spirit = Trinity
Trinity = Father,Son, Holy Spirit
Again where is the scripture that states that Jesus was a vessel of God.
Quote (Keeper77 @ Mar. 06 2008,05:26) Quote (seek and you will find @ Mar. 06 2008,04:57) keeper 77 I have to get in here and say something. You are forgetting that the Father is greater than all. He is above all in in us all.
We were in the Catholic Church til we were 46 and 47 years old. I taught 4 of our Children the trinity doctrine. 3 of our Sons went to the Catholic School and were very much taught in that doctrine.
So do not come here and distract with some other scriptures that do not prove the doctrine at all. You are so wrong in doing so.
The Apostles did not teach it and it first was taught by Quintus Florens Tertullian
Trinity is nowhere found in the Bible. It is not of God.
Ephesians 4:4-6 read it.Peace and Love Mrs.
I am not Catholic and I am not teaching any doctrine I am just stating my view on the what the bible says and I am not using “other scriptures” that distract I take these at face value along with the scriptures that state the opposite. I know that Gods ways are above our own. I am only making a pointDo you take these scriptures at face value? Read this again what does this mean, clearly God is speaking of Jesus here and God says “I am he”
Isaiah 43:10
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Who is the Father
Who is the Son or What was Jesus Vessel, God in the Flesh, another prophet
Who is the Holy Spiritand what are they then. Is Jesus a God in Himself and the Holy Spirit a God in himself as well? God said there was not God formed before Him or after Him there is 1 God only. I read Eph 4:4-6 I know it it says one body.
I am not trying to says this is how it is I am just looking for the truth and the truth is clearly the bible show both.
Be Blessed Friends!
John 1:1 states that
In the beginning there was the Word and the Word was God. And the Word was with God.
We have to remember that God is a title and used for different persons in the Bible. Even Satan is called the God of this world.
That is why we have to look to other Scriptures and see what their names are. We know that the Fathers Name is Jehovah. Jesus was called the true witness, the faithful one. I am and the great I am who is the Father. Jesus also was the spokesperson of the old Testament. Since nobody has heard the Fathers voice or seen His form, it is always either The Word or an Angel speaking in the O.T.
Isaiah 43:10 is talking about Jesus preexsisting before He became a man. The Father only brought forth the Son that is why He is called the only begotten Son of God. Jesus was not created in the same way then we were. We were created out of the dust of the earth.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father. That is why there is only One Spirit. That Spirit unites us to Jesus and the Father. All in all.Preace and Love Mrs.
“I am and the great I am who is the Father”
Notice how you stated “I am” twice. To me that is the same meaning they are both “I am” thus the same person.
Hi K77,
The Living God calls Himself
I AM WHO AM.The Son of God is not the God of Whom he is the Son.
But he was before Abraham.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2008,08:37) Hi K77,
The Living God calls Himself
I AM WHO AM.The Son of God is not the God of Whom he is the Son.
But he was before Abraham.
I ask again please let me know:Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior do you believe He died on the cross for your sins and on the third day rose again and ascended into Heaven?Do you believe this is the Savior the Lord spoke of the redeemer of mankind?
If you do the read verse 11 again:
Isaiah 43:11
11 I, even I, am the LORD,
and apart from me there is no savior.Hi K77,
Would you limit God in His appointments?
Would you say he cannot work outside your understanding?
Jesus Christ does not ever work in his own powers but in that of his God.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2008,08:47) Hi K77,
Would you limit God in His appointments?
Would you say he cannot work outside your understanding?
Jesus Christ does not ever work in his own powers but in that of his God.
I see you are not answering my question concerning who you believe is your savior.You see Jesus as just a man who became the Son of God so the virgin birth a child born of the Holy Spirit is wrong then as well
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2008,08:47) Hi K77,
Would you limit God in His appointments?
Would you say he cannot work outside your understanding?
Jesus Christ does not ever work in his own powers but in that of his God.
Greetings…..God is….IAM that IAM…to mention just a few declarations by the Eternal One !!
Speaking to the trinity.( nothwithstanding my Catholic School
indoctrination ) Let us for the sake of discussion see if we could agree on this premise…God Is..The Word ( JESUS) is the means by which The Eternal ONE manifests his will (Plan )
and the Spirit is the Essense of the power of GOD….Hi k77,
God is the saviour through Christ our appointed saviour.
God works through Jesus and His servants.Trinity theologians use situations like this to attempt to muddy the water and cause confusion so they can bring their trinity rabbit out of the hat to resolve it. But what is written is all we need. There is no confusion.
Listen to the roman centurion who knew all about appointed authority and power.
LK7
1Now when he had ended all his sayings in the audience of the people, he entered into Capernaum.
2And a certain centurion's servant, who was dear unto him, was sick, and ready to die.
3And when he heard of Jesus, he sent unto him the elders of the Jews, beseeching him that he would come and heal his servant.
4And when they came to Jesus, they besought him instantly, saying, That he was worthy for whom he should do this:
5For he loveth our nation, and he hath built us a synagogue.
6Then Jesus went with them. And when he was now not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to him, saying unto him, Lord, trouble not thyself: for I am not worthy that thou shouldest enter under my roof:
7Wherefore neither thought I myself worthy to come unto thee: but say in a word, and my servant shall be healed.
8For I also am a man set under authority, having under me soldiers, and I say unto one, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
9When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
10And they that were sent, returning to the house, found the servant whole that had been sick.
Quote (theodorej @ Mar. 06 2008,09:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 06 2008,08:47) Hi K77,
Would you limit God in His appointments?
Would you say he cannot work outside your understanding?
Jesus Christ does not ever work in his own powers but in that of his God.
Greetings…..God is….IAM that IAM…to mention just a few declarations by the Eternal One !!
Speaking to the trinity.( nothwithstanding my Catholic School
indoctrination ) Let us for the sake of discussion see if we could agree on this premise…God Is..The Word ( JESUS) is the means by which The Eternal ONE manifests his will (Plan )
and the Spirit is the Essense of the power of GOD….
Hi TJ,
God manifests fully in Christ and His servants by His Spirit.
To insult or lie to the Spirit is to insult or lie to God
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